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Timeline where Miri is 10x stronger than Reze?
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Chainsaw Man discussion thread
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His stats are great but his skills are dog-water. (Don't worry, Reze will stomp him after Pochita pukes nukes.)Timeline where Miri is 10x stronger than Reze?
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1000y usage scaling to 8-A?
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Weakened Pochita scales to the Pochita Clone, who scales to Hybrid Quanxi, who's stronger than Post-Fear Boost Denji, who's at least as strong as Hybrid Miri, who took Awakened Pochita's Dropkick, so he's >>81.53 tons, and the Lance of Longinus absolutely wrecked him, so I think that's grounds for an upscale. Not unreasonable considering that Angel's Weapons were part of what was used to kill the 20% Gun Devil.
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We are talking about the weapon that destroyed black chainsaw man? I don't think weakened Black Chainsaw man is the same lvl as weakened graveyard clone.
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Shouldn't Post-Training Chainsaw Man be scaling to the 8-B regardless due to Santa? (Fixes alot of problem's too since Miri being stronger than Katana 10x over kinda makes no sense)
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Says what? Weakened Pochita has literally no feats or scaling that'd put him anywhere else.
Because of him taking Santa's Bitchslap?
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Yeah, his durability should at least be at that level, and his chainsaws can harm him despite his own durability and that sort of stuff. You can also use other hybrids harming his durability for further justification.
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Nighttime Santa yeeting Denji into a gas station was not done at her full strength, so Denji's durability doesn't scale to her full power. Daytime Santa hit Denji down a building and did just as much, if not more damage, and we know she's far stronger at night given her performances against Quanxi's arrows, so unless Denji also got stronger at night, there's a problem if both hits were at full strength.
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Even after getting destroyed by that spear, with a piece of his flesh, Pochita could amp Power from a single drop of blood to a high tier char that already scales above his graveyard self. I wonder what exactly support him being not few or several but thousands of times weakened..
Makima had to pull an evangelion on him.
He should still scale to %20 gundevil imo.
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It could have been an incredible distance regardless, but we still have an issue, Miri scaling there when there are hybrids like Katana and Whip, who are practically the same. There is nothing to justify the massive gap. Post-Training Chainsaw Man scaling to it solves this problem, as all other hybrids are practically on the same level. To simply put, it just makes the most sense.
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The Katana Devil is powered by the fear of Katanas. The Sword Devil is powered by the fear of all swords, which would include Katanas. It's literally impossible for them to be equal strength. A 10x gap between Katana and Sword is completely justified.
Whip and Katana are definitely not the same. Katana Man couldn't kill Aki with Quick Draw specifically because of his uniform. Whip Woman slashed a Public Safety agent and his uniform in half.
They really aren't. There's a sizeable difference in performance between Miri vs. Denji, and Whip vs. Denji's bisected torso. Miri was also the only one who managed to transform in time against Quanxi, unlike Whip and Spear.
TL;DR: Even without numbers, in-story scaling supports Sword Man >> Whip Woman >> Katana Man.
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I created a sandbox and will gradually apply the new end scaling over time for other characters (you guys can point out nitpicks and errors as I go along). So far, I’ve completed Denji.
However, my stance on Post-Training Denji being 8-B due to Santa Claus still stands. It represents his training and the strength he gained from it. I’d rather keep that and have Post-Fear Boost Chainsaw Man and Miri upscale to 8-A simply because of the massive fear boost.
However, my stance on Post-Training Denji being 8-B due to Santa Claus still stands. It represents his training and the strength he gained from it. I’d rather keep that and have Post-Fear Boost Chainsaw Man and Miri upscale to 8-A simply because of the massive fear boost.
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Cool. Most of the character's don't have massive profiles, so they can just be edited after the CRT's passed.
I already pointed out the problem with scaling Post-Training Denji to Nighttime Santa. Not to mention Miri being 8-A doesn't make any sense- you're upscaling him above his own feat. How does that logic work?
Also, Hybrid Denji going from 800 kg to 9 tons of TNT represents his training too.
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Those weren’t necessarily problems. Whip never even got to hit Denji’s torso, as Denji dodged the attack while connecting back to his lower body. Miri being the only one to manage to transform was because he activated his trigger just a moment before Quanxi ran in. Honestly, that would have been a feat for his base rather than his hybrid. He can upscale based on hurting Post-Fear Boost Chainsaw Man. Miri can still be superior to other characters while being 8-A or even 8-B for that matter.
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Wait really? I couldn't tell because of how damn scratchy the art is.
His base being stronger makes his Hybrid Form stronger.
You're missing the point. First of all you never addressed how Nighttime Santa can't be using her full strength when she hit Denji, meaning his durability shouldn't scale to her.
Second of all, Post-Training Hybrid Denji being 8-B+ means Katana Man's 8-B+, and Katana Man can't be as strong as Sword Man, and you can't just resolve that by upscaling Miri to 8-A, because you're upscaling someone's strength from a feat of their own strength, which is ridiculous.
Thirdly, it means Kishibe is at least 8-B+ for offscreening Post-Training Hybrid Denji and Makima's statement. You understand why scaling Kishibe to Pochita drop kicking two Hybrids through five buildings is just stupid, right?
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His base being 8-B makes things inconsistent, similar to how it would be inconsistent to make Denji's base 8-B due to him getting his face bashed in by Yoru.
I already addressed this, it could have been an incredibly great distance. We saw Santa instantly punch him with enough force to send him flying. We actually need proof that she wasn’t at full strength, especially since she spent most of her time while Denji and Quanxi were fighting off her doll troops, gaining a better understanding of her newfound power.
Katana Man being 8-B+ isn’t ridiculous, it just creates an upscale chain for Miri. Fair point on the upscaling part though.
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Pochita ripping them apart manually is what harmed them, they were able to fly through those buildings unharmed. It’s similar to how Falling kicked Denji into a skyscraper, where the kick itself caused the damage, not the buildings. If their bodies were really supposed to get harmed from being rammed through buildings, Fujimoto would likely have drawn their bodies shredded or depicted Pochita landing with nothing but their bloody remains, with limbs scattered across different buildings. Not to mention, Pochita wasn’t even going all out during the entire fight.
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I never said Miri's base was 8-B, just that his base was stronger than Whip and Spear's base.
The problem isn't Denji being punched down a building versus Denji being punched far away. The DC isn't the issue here.
The proof she wasn't at full strength is the fact that Daytime Santa and Nighttime Santa did similar amounts of damage to Denji with their hits, despite the fact that Nighttime Santa is dramatically stronger than Daytime Santa, as shown in the performances against Hybrid Quanxi. Therefore it could not have been Nighttime Santa's full power.
If Denji scales to Nighttime Santa's full strength, then Daytime Santa scales to Denji for hurting him, but Nighttime Santa's way stronger than Daytime Santa, so Nighttime Santa scales higher, which means Denji scales higher, which means Daytime Santa scales higher, which means Nighttime Santa's even stronger, and you can see the problem here.
What are your thoughts about Kishibe being 8-B+?
If it makes you feel any better, we're technically scaling them to part of the attack.
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It doesnt help your case since hybrids arent affected by fear scaling whilist in human form.
Fair.
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Touché.
You know what- bullets are capable of piercing Public Safety uniforms, Human Quanxi (Chainsaw Man Church Arc), and Makima's whole head (Katana Man Arc), yet Long is capable of blocking them with just her arms.
Since Kishibe offscreened Long, clearly this means Kishibe >>> Long > Makima. So 8-A Kishibe confirmed.
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Taking another look through the chapters- Reze took multiple explosions to turn Denji into a burnt nugget and never actually damaged a Public Safety Uniform while Barem burning the Public Safety Uniform-wearing zombies didn't seem to damage the actual uniforms.
Is there anything else that can upscale them to 11 tons, or are they stuck in [stronger than Katana Man / 9.14 tons] limbo?
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She damaged the uniform's with her torpedo attack. So honestly looks like only her durability would scale.
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What chapter? Also do you mean her explosions?
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Chapter 48, or you can check her profile for the specifics. And no I meant her durability (her explosions scale to her durability)
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The black pants are fine though, it's just his undershirt that's damaged. I didn't think the undershirt was part of the ensemble.
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His lower body got pulverized and she opened up hits guts through the uniform.
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His lower half is fine, you can see his legs behind Reze in the image, he was blown in half. I guess the undershirt counts as part of the uniform.
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Went back and checked- the white undershirt is just regular clothes, it doesn't scale to the black overcoat/pants durability. Ch. 26 demonstrates this, as Katana Man bisects Denji and the white undershirt he's wearing, despite not being able to do anything to Aki's black overcoat, meaning Reze gutting Denji via torpedo doesn't mean anything, and she just scales above 9.14 tons.
Side Note, but how do y'all feel about me formatting 0.00672 / 0.0555 / 0.807 tons of TNT as 6.72 / 55.50 / 807.62 kg of TNT?
Side Note, but how do y'all feel about me formatting 0.00672 / 0.0555 / 0.807 tons of TNT as 6.72 / 55.50 / 807.62 kg of TNT?
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Honestly it's best to just Tons of TNT since that's what we're working with
Edit: I just checked chapter 25, the scaling comes from the white undershirt, not the jacket as the undershirt is what Katana Man hit.
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It's impossible for him to hit the white undershirt without also hitting the overcoat/jacket, and Katana Man is able to destroy the white undershirt just fine (as shown in Ch. 26), meaning Sawatari is referring to the overcoats/jackets when talking about the uniforms being sturdy.
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The reason why Aki survived the attack in the first place was because of the undershirt, It was the center target, I guess the jacket is just another layer of toughness which helped him not get sliced in half like Denji.
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If the jacket is what stopped Aki from getting sliced in half like Denji did, then it wasn't the undershirt that saved him, was it? Again, a low-on-blood Katana Man who had just had the snot beaten out of him by the Ghost Devil could cut the white undershirt in half no problem. The jacket was more than "just another layer of toughness," it was the layer of toughness, the rest was negligible.
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That's ignoring the fact that Katana Man targeted the chest area specifically, if the jacket were the only layer of toughness Katana Man would have tore through the undershirt and one-shot Aki. That's unless your trying to suggest Aki has High 8-C durability.
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Looking at the position of Katana Man and Aki after the cut shows that he dashes past Aki from the side. It's not possible for Katana Man to cut Aki/the undershirt because the jacket was in the way of a cut from the side.
And another thing, if it turns out that Katana Man can cut through Public Safety uniforms, then the premise of the upscale is faulty, as it relies on Katana Man not being able to do anything to Uniforms yet [Character X] could. So if the white undershirt is super durable, then almost everyone who upscales above Katana Man to 11 tons would just scale to 9.14 tons instead, if not lower if they did comparably less damage than Katana Man cutting a white undershirt in half.
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I don't really have any proof otherwise so I'll leave that be.
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Either the jacket is what's durable, meaning Reze only scales above 9.14 tons since she never damaged a jacket, or the undershirt is what's durable, meaning Reze only scales above 9.14 tons since even Katana Man could destroy those.
Don't worry, once Barem's Calc gets evaluated and Reze fights Barem when she returns in Part 2, she'll be City Block level again.
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