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This can still be added. The cut off is the 15th.Firephoenixearl said:
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Celebrating 25k edits with chaos! Skill tries to eat pizza
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Didn't ant say to avoid doing "serious match-ups" during the lockdown time (which is now)?
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Again, the cutoff time is the 15th. This can still be added and saved.
And frankly, it should be. It's been in grace for long enough.
And frankly, it should be. It's been in grace for long enough.
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I see. It's not grace period end yet, but will be in a couple of hours.
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Bump
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Grace over, even though the debate isn't.
Whether you wanna add this or no, up to you. I personally dislike the voting section to end before the debate is, but eh.
Whether you wanna add this or no, up to you. I personally dislike the voting section to end before the debate is, but eh.
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Well, gotta wait for DMC supporters to reply to you.
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Grath already said that this should be added, the debate is over and we didn't reach a consensus, doesn't mean it's invalid
I'll ask to add this
I'll ask to add this
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Never said it is invalid.
It's just that i personally despise when the FRA train ends before the arguments are even set. It literally reached grace before the 1st argument.
It's just that i personally despise when the FRA train ends before the arguments are even set. It literally reached grace before the 1st argument.
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Gotta love blind FRA trains. Reminds me of jojo and sonic threads. Huge kek moment
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I would change my vote if Ikki could resist Quicksilver and Deconstruction. Probably.
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I already gave the argument how ikki can get past those (incap dante when he tries to use them due to the animation and Ikki's speed advantage)
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I mean to me this seems like hax vs skill and in most cases like this I lean to hax, especially with how in character deconstruction seems to be for dante and his time abilities letting him deal with trackless step.
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This isn't exactly "any" skill. This is ikki.
Deconstruction gets negged by pretty much anything.
Time abilities aren't in character and Ikki can deal with them before they're used due to the animation.
Deconstruction gets negged by pretty much anything.
Time abilities aren't in character and Ikki can deal with them before they're used due to the animation.
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To me earl ikki is just "skill", for all the nonesensical statments and poor writing/flowery language that surrounds him in the end all he has is skill against a guy whos deconstructing him everytime he fires a bullet and can manip time with a gesture. To win Ikki needs to hit dante, realize he needs to go for the kill after he regens his arms and kill him all before his opponent hits him with deconstruction or time manip. All the while if he goes for anything other then decap to end him his opponent will just heal.
This seems like its already finished but Ill throw in my vote for dante
This seems like its already finished but Ill throw in my vote for dante
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You missed the point. Skill or not, he has fought tons of hax before. It's not just "oh good at throwing punches" kind of skill, its the kind of skill that is made to counter hax.
And again a dude who "can" deconstruct. But that's against a dude 10x faster who he can't even see. And time manip is severely out of character and as i said there are ways around it.
Why does your argument sound like "it doesn't seem like skill can surmount hax so i vote Dante" instead of actually using counterarguments against the argument at hand?
And again a dude who "can" deconstruct. But that's against a dude 10x faster who he can't even see. And time manip is severely out of character and as i said there are ways around it.
Why does your argument sound like "it doesn't seem like skill can surmount hax so i vote Dante" instead of actually using counterarguments against the argument at hand?
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This is DMC1 Dante, time Stop isn't out of character
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Can the arguments be summarized real quick?
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Pretty sure it is according to what was said above. Besides i doubt Dante has ever used Bangle of time in the cutscenes of DMC1.Schnee One said:
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Yeah and it sounds like all those times he fought hax he had plot armor a mile wide so I don't particularly take it that seriously.
Speed starts off equal, ikki needs to amp first to become faster, while not out of character Im not so sure he's going to go for that at the start as that will limit his time in this fight to one minute (Not a huge limiter but I think he's going to at least wait till his danger sense screams at him to pull it out)
I don't find your counter arguments compelling earl, he doesn't resist anything here he simply nebulously deals with them in his own verse via plot armor, amps and skill. (Heck the regen is something he's never seen before at this level) He needs to do quite a bit right to beat dante here and he losses if dante pulls on the right move in time, moves he will go for early on in character.
Speed starts off equal, ikki needs to amp first to become faster, while not out of character Im not so sure he's going to go for that at the start as that will limit his time in this fight to one minute (Not a huge limiter but I think he's going to at least wait till his danger sense screams at him to pull it out)
I don't find your counter arguments compelling earl, he doesn't resist anything here he simply nebulously deals with them in his own verse via plot armor, amps and skill. (Heck the regen is something he's never seen before at this level) He needs to do quite a bit right to beat dante here and he losses if dante pulls on the right move in time, moves he will go for early on in character.
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Dante is currently winning via Mid Regenerationn and Time Stop
Ikki' reasoning points that he can use trackless step to avoid time Stop and use Ittou Shurato blitz and cut him to pieces
From there, both argued why either one would or would not work.
Ikki' reasoning points that he can use trackless step to avoid time Stop and use Ittou Shurato blitz and cut him to pieces
From there, both argued why either one would or would not work.
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Can Dante get around Trackless Step?
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Trackless step involves moving/breathing and is negged by timestop...
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Which isn't in character.The pen or the sword said:
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If we're Discussing in character Ikki has no knowledge on Dabtes regen or that he has to confetti
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Yeah use that as argument any time, it's useless when he fights opponent with hax to beat him.Firephoenixearl said:
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He would have realized that way before time stop kicks in. You really think its hard for Ikki to land hits on dante?Schnee One said:
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Honestly... Yeah, I think Ikki has a better chance here. I'm voting Ikki for Earl's reasons.
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No, but it's definitely hard for Ikki to kill someone when the one time he did so mentally scarred him and caused him to have an emotional breakdown
Though yes, I do think it's hard for him to get hits without Ittou Shura, Dante doesn't just let people gain openings for no reason.
Though yes, I do think it's hard for him to get hits without Ittou Shura, Dante doesn't just let people gain openings for no reason.
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First of all that was Iris. Iris had literally saved Ikki's life twice. Secondly SBA says they're willing to kill. So again, bad point.Schnee One said:
Oh yes, because when you have Edelweiss Sword style (pseudo blitz effect), trackless step and massively outskill your opponent it's hard to land a hit. I see your point.
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Umm willing to kill doesn't get rid of a characters reluctance/not wanting to kill nature, it just means they will kill if their other options fail/they feel it is warranted/necessary.
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Imagine thinking being far more "skilled" is win button
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If time stop isn't in character, then why can't Ikki super stealth and Phantom Form?
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No it means "they are willing to kill if needed". It doesn't affect their strategies, but it means that they would be going for the kill if they need to.The pen or the sword said:
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@spooky TBF to earl that is quite literally how Rakudai kishi no cavalry is written,
Earl, Yes but he needs to realize his normal stratgies wont work first, hes not going into this fight with the mindset I have to kill, just the mindset I have to win and If I have to kill I will. Theres a rather large difference there.
Earl, Yes but he needs to realize his normal stratgies wont work first, hes not going into this fight with the mindset I have to kill, just the mindset I have to win and If I have to kill I will. Theres a rather large difference there.
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Phantom form won't insta incap i think but it will definitely weaken dante.Milly Rocking Bandit said:
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Imagine not looking at any other part of my argument.SpookyShadow said:
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How will it weaken dante? Its based purly on will power manip from what I see in the above thread wont dante resist?
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We don't even know if time stop is in character or not. Dante in DMC1 in cutscenes barely fought (most of that were previews to fights), and before DMC1 there was DMC3 when Dante in fact used Quicksilver in cutscene.
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High-Mid Regen is where incap stops because you can't knock someone out who can regenerate from brain damage. Dante doesn't have that.Firephoenixearl said:
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