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So after quite some time of digging through the franchise, and especially going through Grimoire of Souls for a bit, I've found quite a lot of things to help flesh out the pages more, so lets get to it.
Creatures of Chaos
So for starters, and just to help make it a lesser pain in the ass for future revisions, I've made a page for creatures of chaos stuff since a lot of abilities/resistances cross scale to each other. So basically anyone that either has access to chaos magic, is a creature of chaos/vampire/dark lord will have this on their pages to make it much easier to trim down the pages in terms of showing what cross scales in the first place, on top of fleshing out some of the abilities like Non-Physical interaction among many other stuff.
Next up is an argument for a higher tier regeneration. So the creatures of chaos generally have mid godly for having some feats of regenerating their entire body with nothing but their soul remaining, with even stuff like actual soul destruction being a thing and they can just come back from it. However with some digging with the lore, this should be High-Godly for all of them, and the simple matter is that chaos/darkness exists within their very soul. Not only does Grimoire of Soul make that abundant with the vital souls being something that exists in their being that causes chaos, but also just the entire lore of the darkness/chaos within the hearts/souls of living beings being what causes these creatures to come back, implying that one's soul would harbor some aspect of chaos itself, and Chaos in general is already accepted as a concept given how it functions in the verse. So they'd have some form of High-Godly due to the soul having literal chaos within them. There's also the fact that with the vital souls stuff being able to control their own narrative with the grimoire world, and how the magic in the grimoire and real world are one and the same and that they're the embodiment of magic even in the grimoire itself, this could be potentially argued that some narrative level restoration is possible for creatures of chaos. Overall creatures of chaos would have conceptual and narrative high godly regen from this alone.
Another addition to chaos powers is Type 2 Corruption, Empathic Manipulation and Dream Manipulation. This is mostly from the fact that shadow magic, something that's treated as opposite to light, is capable of corrupting individuals and making them more ferocious than normal, succumbing to bloodlust and have endless nightmares as a result of the overexposure to it.
Another ability they should get is Power Absorption and potentially Reactive evolution, due to numerous creatures of chaos having instances of adapting to their environment or just gaining the powers of others through battle or other scenarios.
Last thing to list off for creatures of chaos is the fact that they can indeed utilize holy magic and are stated to be resistant towards them. Just to hammer in the fact that conventional weakness of monsters tied to darkness in fiction doesn't apply to creatures of chaos.
Vampires
Vampires would get Animal Manipulation for being able to control bats.
They'd have Stealth Mastery and passive Temperature Manipulation and Soul Manipulation for being able to make no sound to catch folks by surprise and being capable of freezing someone down to their very soul on contact.
They'd also have either an enhanced version of type 5 Immortality or just type 1 Nonduality due to them being state on numerous occasions to drift between/transcend life and death itself.
They'd also have Possession, Blood Manipulation, Deconstruction and Biological Absorption due to having possession, and their ability in general can manipulate their blood into a target and destroy them from the inside out and absorb their entire being into themselves.
They'd also scale to the abilities of Glyphs due to this magic being stated to being that of a vampire by Sypha.
Dark Lords
Dark Lords would gain Abstract Existence for the following reasons. Gods in general are stated to be abstract existences with no real appearances or names, and Death is flat out confirmed to be a god while Dracula's status as a dark lord transcends the gods themselves. So with that in mind, this would scale any dark lord to being an abstract being, further proven with how they're tied to the darkness within all beings to come back.
Another ability to be pushed for Dark Lords is potentially Higher Dimensional Existence. This is mainly thanks to this CRT, which establishes the Chaos that Soma fights as the evil will in Dracula's Soul, and in the end of Aria of Sorrow it exists as an entire plane of reality that's a part of the castle itself. So all Dark Lords would be tied to this given how their own soul is directly tied to this entire plane of reality.
Chaos
Thanks to the Bloody nightmare novel, it elaborates more on the nature of the dark lord/chaos and god itself with how intrinsically tied to one another like two sides of the same coin, plus with some digging on Lords of Shadow, one of the knowledgeable members talk about how shadow and light are two sides of the same coin, essentially acting as a dual nature where one needs the other to function. With these, these should be on the cosmology blog with the nature of chaos and darkness to further solidify the idea that Chaos is indeed a universal concept, on top of it being a type 1 concept given how God, its polar opposite, existed far before the creation of the world.
Alucard
Alucard has further evidence of him gaining dark lord magic, on top of the statement on how he has dracula's magic, he even states that if he were to die, only his human side would die, and he'd be reborn as another dracula.
Aeon
Aeon would have resistance to Extrasensory perception for being undetectable to Alucard.
This mostly is just a time watcher thing in general, but Aeon and Saint Germain could potentially have Nonduality due to them existing outside of reality and having no ties to either light and darkness, though if this doesn't get accepted I won't really lose sleep over it.
Glyphs and Magic
Glyphs in general would get some additional scans like the fact that it doesn't just extend to living beings, but the entire environment itself as shown throughout the game with Shanoa being able to mess with the environment itself and causing it to change, further cementing it being a universal type of energy source. There's also more evidence that should be added to the blog about those with magic gain further increase in strength.
Grimoire of Souls roster
They'd all have access to creatures of chaos magic due to having Death's robes, which grants one the ability to become a creature of chaos.
The next one is for Simon specifically, but he'd get another key in his profile for Super Castlevania 4, mostly on the fact that in the novel about it, he's verbatim described to be a vampire.
Shanoa and Maria would have Supernatural Luck thanks to Weegie.
Dracula's Magic
The transmutation scan would be updated by this text from the novel, that talks about how the chaos from Dracula can turn man into monsters.
Curse Manipulation, Energy Absorption and Power Nullification would be included for Dracula's magic due to the fact that spirits, beings who can inflict curse on you on contact is stated to have the castle's magic seeped into its being.
One other important thing to note is how Dracula's castle has a parallel dimension via the mirror world, so the size of the castle will likely be from Low 2-C to baseline 2-C, meaning characters like Shaft, Arikado, and maybe the LoS characters would scale to this, though the latter I'd probably make it Low 2-C, possibly 2-C.
Dracula should also have an intelligence increase for his resurrections as it's stated both his knowledge and power increase every resurrection.
Layered Hax
So in the layered hax thread, it was accepted that Dracula's magic growing stronger would translate to layered hax due to how Alucard's resistance functioned against it, so from that alone, every single resurrection would translate to a layered hax. So at bare minimum it would look like this: Chaos (13 Layers) > Old Julius >= Dark Lord Soma (12 Layers) >= 2036 Alucard =?= DoS Soma > 1999 Julius > AoS Soma = 1999 Dracula (11 Layers) >= 1999 Alucard =?= Graham = Yoko > Jonathan and Charlotte (End game) > PoR Dracula (10 Layers) > John Morris = Eric Lecarde > Bloodlines Dracula (9 Layers) > Bram Stoker Dracula (8 Layers) = Dominus' full power > OoE Dracula (7 Layers) = Aeon = SOTN Alucard > SOTN Dracula (6 Layers) = Jonathan and Charlotte (Mid Game) > SOTN Richter > SOTN Maria =?= Shanoa > RoB Dracula (5 Layers) = RoB Richter = RoB Maria =?= Albus = Barlowe > Juste Belmont > Wraith Dracula (4 Layers) >= Simon > Simon's Quest Dracula (3 Layer) > C1 Dracula (2 Layer)= Christopher > Adventure Dracula (1 Layer) > CoD Trevor = C3 Dracula > C3 Trevor = C3 Alucard (Baseline) > Vampire Killer Leon = Hector (Full Power) = Kid Dracula > Carmilla = Death = Olrox = Sypha = Grant = Hector = Isaac = Saint Germain =?= Walter =?= Galamoth > Time Reaper =?= CoD (Weakened) Dracula > Shaft >=? Dario = Dmitrii > WoA Leon = Jonathan and Charlotte (Early Game) > The Night
However there can be an argument that this can skyrocket to a bigger number of layers. In Grimoire of Souls, we already have the confirmation that each grimoire documents every time Dracula has been fought and defeated, and we've seen this across many eras from Dracula's Curse, all the way to Portrait of Ruin and even beyond with stuff like Soma, but there's more implications and statements that a bunch more grimoires exist in the library, and we have a visual showcase of the library itself in the main menu of the game. If we count every single book in the shelf and generalize the amount based on how many books are held in each shelf, we'd get roughly 720 grimoires, which would document each and every fight against Dracula. Slap that onto the fact that Dracula's magic grows stronger, this would arguably increase the layers to an insane degree. Though where exactly this would start, I'd argue it would be post SOTN since Alucard comments on how the grimoires documented fights he wasn't a part of, so the insane jump can start from there.
Last thing to mention about this, but with Time Reaper being able to nuke everything in existence, this would extend to all the grimoires, which are alternate worlds, so the feat of nuking 18 timelines would go up to 720+ worlds/timelines.
The Belmonts
The Belmonts would get more evidence for extrasensory perception due to Trevor being able to sense Alucard despite him changing his appearance.
Soma Cruz
Soma would have resistance to Power Nullification due to fighting off Aurora, which can create several spatial barriers to remove one's power.
General abilities and resistances
There's an additional story text from Lucy that talks about slaying dark creatures, and she mentions that she specifically lacks the talent to even kill them, so this would be given as further evidence of hunters or creatures of chaos being capable of killing creatures of chaos, and therefore gaining immortality/regeneration negation.
Magic should have some form of type 1 Information Manipulation due to how Lucy and Hermina are able to create beings from information via magic.
Magic should include Biological Manipulation due to how Gergoth was warped into the being it is because of magic.
Magic should also have Life Manipulation due to numerous instances of magic being able to create sentient life from inanimate objects.
Everyone gets an additional reasoning for shrugging off Power Absorption, which is the ghosts in Castlevania are verbatim stated to drain the power of those they possess and the characters can shrug off its effects easily.
Agree: 10 (Eseseso [neutral on nonduality time watchers], DarkdragonMedeus [same as Eseseso], chosen, TyranoDoom30 [unsure on mirror world scaling], Georredannea15, Elizhaa [neutral on nonduality time watchers], TISSG7Redgrave, UchihaSlayer96, Planck69 [neutral on nondual time watchers], ActuallySpaceMan42 [neutral on high godly and layers, disagree with nondual time watchers])
Disagree:
Neutral:
Creatures of Chaos
So for starters, and just to help make it a lesser pain in the ass for future revisions, I've made a page for creatures of chaos stuff since a lot of abilities/resistances cross scale to each other. So basically anyone that either has access to chaos magic, is a creature of chaos/vampire/dark lord will have this on their pages to make it much easier to trim down the pages in terms of showing what cross scales in the first place, on top of fleshing out some of the abilities like Non-Physical interaction among many other stuff.
Next up is an argument for a higher tier regeneration. So the creatures of chaos generally have mid godly for having some feats of regenerating their entire body with nothing but their soul remaining, with even stuff like actual soul destruction being a thing and they can just come back from it. However with some digging with the lore, this should be High-Godly for all of them, and the simple matter is that chaos/darkness exists within their very soul. Not only does Grimoire of Soul make that abundant with the vital souls being something that exists in their being that causes chaos, but also just the entire lore of the darkness/chaos within the hearts/souls of living beings being what causes these creatures to come back, implying that one's soul would harbor some aspect of chaos itself, and Chaos in general is already accepted as a concept given how it functions in the verse. So they'd have some form of High-Godly due to the soul having literal chaos within them. There's also the fact that with the vital souls stuff being able to control their own narrative with the grimoire world, and how the magic in the grimoire and real world are one and the same and that they're the embodiment of magic even in the grimoire itself, this could be potentially argued that some narrative level restoration is possible for creatures of chaos. Overall creatures of chaos would have conceptual and narrative high godly regen from this alone.
Another addition to chaos powers is Type 2 Corruption, Empathic Manipulation and Dream Manipulation. This is mostly from the fact that shadow magic, something that's treated as opposite to light, is capable of corrupting individuals and making them more ferocious than normal, succumbing to bloodlust and have endless nightmares as a result of the overexposure to it.
Another ability they should get is Power Absorption and potentially Reactive evolution, due to numerous creatures of chaos having instances of adapting to their environment or just gaining the powers of others through battle or other scenarios.
Last thing to list off for creatures of chaos is the fact that they can indeed utilize holy magic and are stated to be resistant towards them. Just to hammer in the fact that conventional weakness of monsters tied to darkness in fiction doesn't apply to creatures of chaos.
Vampires
Vampires would get Animal Manipulation for being able to control bats.
They'd have Stealth Mastery and passive Temperature Manipulation and Soul Manipulation for being able to make no sound to catch folks by surprise and being capable of freezing someone down to their very soul on contact.
They'd also have either an enhanced version of type 5 Immortality or just type 1 Nonduality due to them being state on numerous occasions to drift between/transcend life and death itself.
They'd also have Possession, Blood Manipulation, Deconstruction and Biological Absorption due to having possession, and their ability in general can manipulate their blood into a target and destroy them from the inside out and absorb their entire being into themselves.
They'd also scale to the abilities of Glyphs due to this magic being stated to being that of a vampire by Sypha.
Dark Lords
Dark Lords would gain Abstract Existence for the following reasons. Gods in general are stated to be abstract existences with no real appearances or names, and Death is flat out confirmed to be a god while Dracula's status as a dark lord transcends the gods themselves. So with that in mind, this would scale any dark lord to being an abstract being, further proven with how they're tied to the darkness within all beings to come back.
Another ability to be pushed for Dark Lords is potentially Higher Dimensional Existence. This is mainly thanks to this CRT, which establishes the Chaos that Soma fights as the evil will in Dracula's Soul, and in the end of Aria of Sorrow it exists as an entire plane of reality that's a part of the castle itself. So all Dark Lords would be tied to this given how their own soul is directly tied to this entire plane of reality.
Chaos
Thanks to the Bloody nightmare novel, it elaborates more on the nature of the dark lord/chaos and god itself with how intrinsically tied to one another like two sides of the same coin, plus with some digging on Lords of Shadow, one of the knowledgeable members talk about how shadow and light are two sides of the same coin, essentially acting as a dual nature where one needs the other to function. With these, these should be on the cosmology blog with the nature of chaos and darkness to further solidify the idea that Chaos is indeed a universal concept, on top of it being a type 1 concept given how God, its polar opposite, existed far before the creation of the world.
Alucard
Alucard has further evidence of him gaining dark lord magic, on top of the statement on how he has dracula's magic, he even states that if he were to die, only his human side would die, and he'd be reborn as another dracula.
Aeon
Aeon would have resistance to Extrasensory perception for being undetectable to Alucard.
This mostly is just a time watcher thing in general, but Aeon and Saint Germain could potentially have Nonduality due to them existing outside of reality and having no ties to either light and darkness, though if this doesn't get accepted I won't really lose sleep over it.
Glyphs and Magic
Glyphs in general would get some additional scans like the fact that it doesn't just extend to living beings, but the entire environment itself as shown throughout the game with Shanoa being able to mess with the environment itself and causing it to change, further cementing it being a universal type of energy source. There's also more evidence that should be added to the blog about those with magic gain further increase in strength.
Grimoire of Souls roster
They'd all have access to creatures of chaos magic due to having Death's robes, which grants one the ability to become a creature of chaos.
The next one is for Simon specifically, but he'd get another key in his profile for Super Castlevania 4, mostly on the fact that in the novel about it, he's verbatim described to be a vampire.
Shanoa and Maria would have Supernatural Luck thanks to Weegie.
Dracula's Magic
The transmutation scan would be updated by this text from the novel, that talks about how the chaos from Dracula can turn man into monsters.
Curse Manipulation, Energy Absorption and Power Nullification would be included for Dracula's magic due to the fact that spirits, beings who can inflict curse on you on contact is stated to have the castle's magic seeped into its being.
One other important thing to note is how Dracula's castle has a parallel dimension via the mirror world, so the size of the castle will likely be from Low 2-C to baseline 2-C, meaning characters like Shaft, Arikado, and maybe the LoS characters would scale to this, though the latter I'd probably make it Low 2-C, possibly 2-C.
Dracula should also have an intelligence increase for his resurrections as it's stated both his knowledge and power increase every resurrection.
Layered Hax
So in the layered hax thread, it was accepted that Dracula's magic growing stronger would translate to layered hax due to how Alucard's resistance functioned against it, so from that alone, every single resurrection would translate to a layered hax. So at bare minimum it would look like this: Chaos (13 Layers) > Old Julius >= Dark Lord Soma (12 Layers) >= 2036 Alucard =?= DoS Soma > 1999 Julius > AoS Soma = 1999 Dracula (11 Layers) >= 1999 Alucard =?= Graham = Yoko > Jonathan and Charlotte (End game) > PoR Dracula (10 Layers) > John Morris = Eric Lecarde > Bloodlines Dracula (9 Layers) > Bram Stoker Dracula (8 Layers) = Dominus' full power > OoE Dracula (7 Layers) = Aeon = SOTN Alucard > SOTN Dracula (6 Layers) = Jonathan and Charlotte (Mid Game) > SOTN Richter > SOTN Maria =?= Shanoa > RoB Dracula (5 Layers) = RoB Richter = RoB Maria =?= Albus = Barlowe > Juste Belmont > Wraith Dracula (4 Layers) >= Simon > Simon's Quest Dracula (3 Layer) > C1 Dracula (2 Layer)= Christopher > Adventure Dracula (1 Layer) > CoD Trevor = C3 Dracula > C3 Trevor = C3 Alucard (Baseline) > Vampire Killer Leon = Hector (Full Power) = Kid Dracula > Carmilla = Death = Olrox = Sypha = Grant = Hector = Isaac = Saint Germain =?= Walter =?= Galamoth > Time Reaper =?= CoD (Weakened) Dracula > Shaft >=? Dario = Dmitrii > WoA Leon = Jonathan and Charlotte (Early Game) > The Night
However there can be an argument that this can skyrocket to a bigger number of layers. In Grimoire of Souls, we already have the confirmation that each grimoire documents every time Dracula has been fought and defeated, and we've seen this across many eras from Dracula's Curse, all the way to Portrait of Ruin and even beyond with stuff like Soma, but there's more implications and statements that a bunch more grimoires exist in the library, and we have a visual showcase of the library itself in the main menu of the game. If we count every single book in the shelf and generalize the amount based on how many books are held in each shelf, we'd get roughly 720 grimoires, which would document each and every fight against Dracula. Slap that onto the fact that Dracula's magic grows stronger, this would arguably increase the layers to an insane degree. Though where exactly this would start, I'd argue it would be post SOTN since Alucard comments on how the grimoires documented fights he wasn't a part of, so the insane jump can start from there.
Last thing to mention about this, but with Time Reaper being able to nuke everything in existence, this would extend to all the grimoires, which are alternate worlds, so the feat of nuking 18 timelines would go up to 720+ worlds/timelines.
The Belmonts
The Belmonts would get more evidence for extrasensory perception due to Trevor being able to sense Alucard despite him changing his appearance.
Soma Cruz
Soma would have resistance to Power Nullification due to fighting off Aurora, which can create several spatial barriers to remove one's power.
General abilities and resistances
There's an additional story text from Lucy that talks about slaying dark creatures, and she mentions that she specifically lacks the talent to even kill them, so this would be given as further evidence of hunters or creatures of chaos being capable of killing creatures of chaos, and therefore gaining immortality/regeneration negation.
Magic should have some form of type 1 Information Manipulation due to how Lucy and Hermina are able to create beings from information via magic.
Magic should include Biological Manipulation due to how Gergoth was warped into the being it is because of magic.
Magic should also have Life Manipulation due to numerous instances of magic being able to create sentient life from inanimate objects.
Everyone gets an additional reasoning for shrugging off Power Absorption, which is the ghosts in Castlevania are verbatim stated to drain the power of those they possess and the characters can shrug off its effects easily.
Agree: 10 (Eseseso [neutral on nonduality time watchers], DarkdragonMedeus [same as Eseseso], chosen, TyranoDoom30 [unsure on mirror world scaling], Georredannea15, Elizhaa [neutral on nonduality time watchers], TISSG7Redgrave, UchihaSlayer96, Planck69 [neutral on nondual time watchers], ActuallySpaceMan42 [neutral on high godly and layers, disagree with nondual time watchers])
Disagree:
Neutral:
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