Castlevania: Judgement Cross-Scaling Removal.

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Most Castlevania game characters are 2-C via scaling with the Time Reaper, a character from Castlevania Judgment. Except that shouldn't be the case, given that the Time Reaper is a non-canon character from a non-canon game.

Three arguments for that:

1. Dracula remembers meeting Cornell in the game (Before fighting Cornell or Simon: "Ah.... it's all coming back to me now."). This is problematic because Cornell is the main protagonist of Castlevania: Legacy of Darkness, a game accepted as non-canon in the main timeline. Cornell does not exist in the main/canon timeline and therefore never met Dracula.

2. Koji Igarashi himself said that Judgment took place in another world:

Fan: I get it. So, is the explanation I suggested in the previous reply possibly correct?
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Theglassman12/Castlevania_Cosmology_blog#Castlevania_Judgment’s_Canonicity:
IGA: I don't think it's exactly correct. Judgment is a work born of thinking it would be fun to remove all the hedges and bring characters that appeared throughout the series together. I think that you need to view it as an event from another world which does not consider things like timelines or parallel dimensions at all.

[me] わかりました。ということは、以前の返事で私が提案した考えられる説明が正しいということですか？
https://castlevania.fandom.com/wiki/Talk:Castlevania_Timeline/Archive_1#Rumor
[IGA] 正確には考えていないが正しいです。
ジャッジメントは、シリーズを通して登場したキャラクター達が、全部の垣根を取り外して、一同に集まったら楽しいなぁ、と考えて生まれた作品です。
タイムラインとか別次元とか、そういったものを全く考慮しない、別の世界での出来事だと思っていただければと思います。

3. Most character in Grimoire of Souls (a mobile game canon in the main timeline) and Judgment don't remembers meeting each other. Grimoire of Souls and Judgment are two crossover games similar to Avengers where the protagonists of the Castlevania games meet and team up against a common enemy, but despite this, they all react as if it were the first time they had met in the two games.

Take Shanoa and Maria for example:

In Judgment:

Shanoa: A little girl, in a place like this?
Maria: Little...! This "little girl" beat Dracula, ya know.
Shanoa: You defeated Dracula?
Maria: Yep, it's true. I beat him with Richter. We did it together.
Shanoa: If that's true, I ask you grant me a battle.
Maria: I, uh... I guess that'd be okay. Well, whenever you're ready.

In Grimoire of Souls:

Maria to Shanoa: Wow, you're pretty! I'm Maria. Nice to meet you.

Another example with Trevor when he meets Simon and Richter:

In Judgment:

Simon: ...Trevor Belmont?
Trevor: Hmm, I see... If you know me, you must be... my descendent?
Simon: In my time... you are only a legend. I must defeat you to become a true Belmont.
Trevor: And you must prove yourself worthy of my whip. Show me!

Trevor: My whip? Are you of House Belmont?
Simon: I am Simon Belmont. That whip... You can't be!
Trevor: Trevor, yes. Time rift, eh... Fascinating.
Simon: I have always dreamed of challenging you.
Trevor: Then you're in luck. Let's see what you can do!

In Grimoire of Souls:

Simon: Trevor. It's an honor to be in your presence.
Richter: F-For me as well, Trevor!
Trevor: You must be my descendants... I can tell at a glance that you're both extremely skilled.

Agree:
Disagree:
Neutral:

 

[Robo432343]

The Castlevania Judgment instruction booklet also states this:

Thirteen people from around the world have been called into an alternate dimension through a gap in time.

 

[Thermor]

What tier are they gonna fall into now?

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

agree.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

What tier are they gonna fall into now?

Low 2-C or 3-A I think.

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

Seems straightforward enough, so I agree with this.

 

[Thermor]

Low 2-C or 3-A I think.

I think that should be mentioned in OP.

 

[Theglassman12]

Time Reaper is from Kid Dracula which is canon given the Anniversary Collection confirms its far down in the main timeline. Also Dracula himself has this exact same feat in Curse of Darkness where he threatened the flow of time to where Saint Germain himself had to intervene. So even if this feat gets removed, mainline Dracula has this on his own.

Also the whole thing of characters not remembering much from Grimoire and Judgment, they’re not the same exact people in Grimoire. Grimoire they’re all literal manifestations of text based on what people remembered from stories, this is a big plot point in the game due to the fact Trevor was almost impossible to manifest since he’s the oldest hunter that fought Dracula and Elgos needed Alucard to try and get as close to whatever Trevor Belmont can be. So saying that they don’t remember each other in Judgment doesn’t work when the whole point of Grimoire is they’re literal fragments of what people can remember in the past.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Time Reaper is from Kid Dracula which is canon given the Anniversary Collection confirms its far down in the main timeline.

I read it, and there's a "?" placed after the game in the timeline. The book also points out that Kid Dracula slept for 10,000 years and questions whether he and Alucard are the same person or not. It's obvious that Kid Dracula takes place in an alternate timeline.

Also Dracula himself has this exact same feat in Curse of Darkness where he threatened the flow of time

It’s only Low 2-C then

 

[Phsccarvalho]

1. Dracula remembers meeting Cornell in the game (Before fighting Cornell or Simon: "Ah.... it's all coming back to me now."). This is problematic because Cornell is the main protagonist of Castlevania: Legacy of Darkness, a game accepted as non-canon in the main timeline. Cornell does not exist in the main/canon timeline and therefore never met Dracula.

It's somewhat irrelevant whether Dracula remembers Cornell or not.

The main point is that "Being canonical ≠ taking place in the same timeline," things can be canonical to each other and be from different timelines. The entire Judgment story takes place in the Time Rift, outside the timeline (since the Aeon cannot operate on timelines).

I'll talk more about this later.

2. Koji Igarashi himself said that Judgment took place in another world:

Yes, because the events of Judgment take place in an alternate dimension. They take place in a location that transcends space-time.

Fan: You mentioned Legend of Cornell was an alternate continuity. However, Cornell appears in Castlevania Judgment, which I believe is not an alternate continuity. How does that work? is he from a different universe than the other characters? It is not really explained in the game itself so I was hoping you could give some clarification on the issue.

IGA: Judgment is a work that surpasses space and time and brings them together.

The Judgment is canonical, but it takes place in a dimension that exists outside of the timeline. The characters were removed from their original timelines and transported outside of them.

"So as many of you know, the Castlevania timeline goes over 1000 years. And there is a character trying to destroy that timeline. Simply, we wanted to get all the characters from past Castlevania titles into one game."

“The concept of this game is to bring a variety of characters from different periods of the Castlevania timeline together for the first time.”

Koji always mentions that the characters leave the timeline we know and go to the Time Rift. He literally quotes our main timeline.

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Now, regarding the Plot. The entire game's story has foreshadowing in the main timeline.

In addition to characters like Aeon (an original character from Judgment) being linked to characters who appeared in the main timeline, such as Saint Germain, it's stated that the two belong to the same organization.

“What is up with St. Germain? Aeon? This whole time traveling group, we never got any real information about them... Can you tell us anything? Are they related at all with the stop watch subweapon?”

“OK... that was a long explanation that will be hard to type out but the bottom line is he liked the idea of St. Germain time traveling and then needed a reason behind it. So there were time-traveling "time watchers"... Sounds like he was looking for a balance but liked the concept of time-travel.”

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

It's somewhat irrelevant whether Dracula remembers Cornell or not.

The main point is that "Being canonical ≠ taking place in the same timeline," things can be canonical to each other and be from different timelines. The entire Judgment story takes place in the Time Rift, outside the timeline (since the Aeon cannot operate on timelines).

I'll talk more about this later.

Of course it's relevant. If this Dracula remembers meeting Cornell, it means he's an alternate Dracula.

Yes, because the events of Judgment take place in an alternate dimension. They take place in a location that transcends space-time.

The Judgment is canonical, but it takes place in a dimension that exists outside of the timeline. The characters were removed from their original timelines and transported outside of them.

Koji always mentions that the characters leave the timeline we know and go to the Time Rift. He literally quotes our main timeline.

These two interviews you posted prove that the characters in Judgment are from an alternate timeline:

"So as many of you know, the Castlevania timeline goes over 1000 years. And there is a character trying to destroy that timeline. Simply, we wanted to get all the characters from past Castlevania titles into one game."

“The concept of this game is to bring a variety of characters from different periods of the Castlevania timeline together for the first time.”

He literally explains that all the characters in Judgment come from a single timeline. He's talking about different periods in Castlevania's history, not different timelines.

In addition to characters like Aeon (an original character from Judgment) being linked to characters who appeared in the main timeline, such as Saint Germain, it's stated that the two belong to the same organization.

That proves nothing, he's just explaining that he wanted to reuse the concept of the Saint Germain character.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Of course it's relevant. If this Dracula remembers meeting Cornell, it means he's an alternate Dracula.

Dracula has cosmic awareness like Death, who knew about Aeon and what was happening in the timeline.

These two interviews you posted prove that the characters in Judgment are from an alternate timeline:

He literally explains that all the characters in Judgment come from a single timeline. He's talking about different periods in Castlevania's history, not different timelines.

Koji is saying that the characters come from the main Castlevania timeline that we know; he's not talking about a random Castlevania timeline, nor would he have any reason to.

There's no reason for this to refer to something like: "Look, the characters from the Castlevania timeline were called to stop a guy who wants to destroy that same timeline. But actually, this Castlevania timeline I'm referencing is a completely different one that you've never seen and that isn't the main one". He's obviously talking about the main timeline that we know.

He literally says: "get all the characters from past Castlevania titles into one game"

He's literally saying that the characters we play as are the same ones from previous Castlevania games, and are part of the main timeline.

That proves nothing, he's just explaining that he wanted to reuse the concept of the Saint Germain character.

It literally says that Aeon and Germain are part of the same group of time travelers.

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Dude, I love how you ignored Galamoth's existence. Galamoth is a being that appears in Symphony of the Night, Kid Dracula, and Judgment. His description in Symphony of the Night says he has a plan 10,000 years in the future, Kid Dracula takes place 10,000 years in the future (the game is even set in that timeline), and the entire plot of Judgment involves Galamoth sending the Time Reaper from 10,000 years in the future (10,000 years in the future of the main Castlevania timeline) to destroy the timeline we know and become the Demon King (a plan mentioned in Symphony of the Night).

The character is the same and directly connects the 3 games.

 

[Theglassman12]

@Ser_Hakim_Dayne If it took place in an alternate timeline then explain why Galamoth exists in SOTN. The same Galamoth that has the exact same plans to overthrow Dracula and rule the demon world like he does in Kid Dracula.

It's not only Low 2-C because Judgment made it clear that the fabric of time being threatened would mess with all of time itself including non canon timelines like N64. Otherwise Saint Germain wouldn't be there to try and intervene on the world given he's a time watcher just like Aeon. Also gotta love how you're just ignoring that the Castle itself has been accepted as 2-C given it has more than one Space time inside of it with the mirror world so no the stats would still be 2-C even if we nuked Judgment's feat.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Dracula has cosmic awareness like Death, who knew about Aeon and what was happening in the timeline.

That doesn't explain at all why he says he's already met Cornell. It still makes no sense, unless we're talking about the Dracula from Legacy of Darkness.

He literally says: "get all the characters from past Castlevania titles into one game"

Yes, and that even includes those that are not canon, and since the Dracula of Judgment has already faced Cornell in the past, the timeline in question is a timeline where Legacy of Darkness is canon, therefore a non-canon timeline.

It literally says that Aeon and Germain are part of the same group of time travelers.

He said that Aeon and Saint Germain are both time-travelers, that doesn't mean that Judgment is canon.

Dude, I love how you ignored Galamoth's existence. Galamoth is a being that appears in Symphony of the Night, Kid Dracula, and Judgment. His description in Symphony of the Night says he has a plan 10,000 years in the future, Kid Dracula takes place 10,000 years in the future (the game is even set in that timeline), and the entire plot of Judgment involves Galamoth sending the Time Reaper from 10,000 years in the future (10,000 years in the future of the main Castlevania timeline) to destroy the timeline we know and become the Demon King (a plan mentioned in Symphony of the Night).

The character is the same and directly connects the 3 games.

If it took place in an alternate timeline then explain why Galamoth exists in SOTN. The same Galamoth that has the exact same plans to overthrow Dracula and rule the demon world like he does in Kid Dracula.

Carmilla appears in Simon's Quest, Rondo of Blood and Circle of Moon, but that doesn't mean CotM is canon.

Galamoth's 10k plan proves nothing either; it just means that Main Galamoth has the same plan as Kid Dracula Galamoth.

The fact that the Anniversary Collection hints that Kid Dracula and Alucard are the same person proves that the Kid Dracula game is an alternate timeline where Alucard remained a child and slept for 10k.

 

[Robo432343]

@Phsccarvalho Is this a different interview?

IGA: I understand that fans were very shocked when they saw the first screen shots and thought this is a fighting game and wondering why. I don't personally consider this to be a fighting game but rather a 3D versus action game. Also, I think something the fans will be very happy and interested in… Castlevania has a very rich 22-year history with a series timeline spanning thousands of years. This game allows characters who could never be in the same time period to appear together.

 

[Theglassman12]

@Ser_Hakim_Dayne That's not an argument that I was making, Galamoth's first ever appearance is Kid Dracula and he appears again in SOTN with the exact same backstory and even having his soul in Aria of Sorrow. If Kid Dracula's not canon then explain why the main villain of Kid Dracula is there. Meaning they're the same person if they have the exact same plan with the exact same motivations and everything. Also how did you correlate them being the same person as them being in an alternate timeline? Can you explain the logic there because you're not remotely elaborating on your thought process here. Also why is Legacy of Darkness showing up a problem? Aeon is aware of numerous timelines and the fact he brought Cornell into this game means the non canon game flat out exist in alternate timelines. If you're not going to address this as well as the fact Judgment literally explains the lore of what Saint Germain is then your entire premise falls apart here because it all ties to Kid Dracula and Judgment being canon.

 

[Robo432343]

Kid Dracula might not be canon

Kid Dracula is a sequel to the an earlier game for the Family Computer titled Akumajō Special: Boku Dracula kun (1990) which was initially only released in Japan. Faith Johnson of Retro Gamer said that the Game Boy felt more like a remake or reimagining of earlier title due to it having many levels that are similar in nature. While the game is recognized by Konami as being part of the Castlevania series, the game's it not part of the overall main canon. Johnson said the game was thought of as a parody of the series by fans.

In 1997, the upcoming Castlevania Legends was intended to be the origin story of the series; however, the game was removed from the timeline during development and this was made clear in the next issue of the magazine. The spin-off game Kid Dracula (originally released as Akumajō Special: Boku Dracula-kun) was also included. Likewise, the game was removed from later editions of the timeline. The Konami Akumajō Dracula X Chronicle Official Guide later went on to state there was no story connection with the rest of the series.

 

[Theglassman12]

Where did you get these text from? Because Anniversary Collection literally has it in the end of the timeline.

 

[Robo432343]

Where did you get these text from? Because Anniversary Collection literally has it in the end of the timeline.

i don't normally trust wiki articles but they referenced what they're talking about

Kid Dracula (1993 video game) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Johnson, Faith (2026). "Kid Dracula". Retro Gamer. No. 283. Future PLC. p. 106. and Johnson, Faith (2026). "Kid Dracula". Retro Gamer. No. 283. Future PLC. p. 107.

 

[Theglassman12]

Yeah I'm not taking a random wikipedia article as evidence when the literal official collection made by Konami says that Kid Dracula's at the end of the timeline, and again this doesn't address that Judgment literally gives us lore explanations on what Saint Germain is, who's in the main timeline so again saying it's not canon isn't an argument when evidence suggests otherwise.

 

[KLOL506]

@Planck69 @Elizhaa @DarkDragonMedeus @KingTempest @UchihaSlayer96 @Emirp sumitpo Your input here would be deeply appreciated.

 

[Planck69]

i don't normally trust wiki articles but they referenced what they're talking about

Kid Dracula (1993 video game) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Johnson, Faith (2026). "Kid Dracula". Retro Gamer. No. 283. Future PLC. p. 106. and Johnson, Faith (2026). "Kid Dracula". Retro Gamer. No. 283. Future PLC. p. 107.

We do not use Wikipedia as actual proof, this is asinine.

Neutral to the thread for now.

 

[Robo432343]

We do not use Wikipedia as actual proof, this is asinine.

Neutral to the thread for now.

I'm not using Wikipedia as actual proof. The proof comes from an article in Retro Gamer magazine. It's a paid/print magazine, so Wikipedia can’t always link us directly to a free version

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Yeah I'm not taking a random wikipedia article as evidence when the literal official collection made by Konami says that Kid Dracula's at the end of the timeline, and again this doesn't address that Judgment literally gives us lore explanations on what Saint Germain is, who's in the main timeline so again saying it's not canon isn't an argument when evidence suggests otherwise.

We do not use Wikipedia as actual proof, this is asinine.

Neutral to the thread for now.

Kid dracula - 12 Mar 2026 - Retro Gamer - UK Magazine - Readly

Dracula went cute in 1993 as konami released a spin-off from the castlevania series. kid dracula is a sequel to the japanese-exclusive famicom game, and...

gb.readly.com

From what I understand, this is the source (original source is UK's Retro Gamer Magazine). However, I do not live in the places where I can read this, so I have no idea if it's valid or not (might be paywalled too).

 

[Robo432343]

Yeah I'm not taking a random wikipedia article as evidence when the literal official collection made by Konami says that Kid Dracula's at the end of the timeline

I don't think the 2019 anniversary bonus collection is a list of what Konami sees as canon and what is not canon but just recognizes as part of the overall series. Being stuck at the end of a timeline with no connections isn’t really proof of canon that's just how spin-offs get included without being part of the actual story. Konami sees it as more of a spinoff/parody. If it were truly canon it would be included into Igarashi’s official timeline but instead it's excluded from it. Konami has released multiple Castlevania timelines ever since the Kid Dracula game was released but it wasn't included in any of them. This is the official Castlevania Timeline established by Igarashi in 2007. Kid Dracula is also not in the Castlevania Portal in the official Konami website while games that were removed from canon and non canon games are there.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I agree with Glassman, at best, it would only remove Judgement examples and not downgrade from 2-C.

 

[Theglassman12]

@Robo432343 if it wasn’t what Konami sees as canon then why the hell would they bother making a timeline section in their anniversary book with Kid Dracula there?

Also saying no connections despite the fact we literally said Galamoth is in SOTN is just proof you’re not actually reading the arguments. Can you address Galamoth’s existence in SOTN or are you going to just reference another Wikipedia article? It being a spinoff mean nothing as Grimoire of Souls is a spinoff game and yet it’s literally part of the main timeline.

Oh you know what else is listed on that portal site? The anniversary collection that includes Kid Dracula, wow what a surprise.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Currently leaning towards agreeing with Glass.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

@Ser_Hakim_Dayne That's not an argument that I was making, Galamoth's first ever appearance is Kid Dracula and he appears again in SOTN with the exact same backstory and even having his soul in Aria of Sorrow. If Kid Dracula's not canon then explain why the main villain of Kid Dracula is there. Meaning they're the same person if they have the exact same plan with the exact same motivations and everything. Also how did you correlate them being the same person as them being in an alternate timeline? Can you explain the logic there because you're not remotely elaborating on your thought process here. Also why is Legacy of Darkness showing up a problem? Aeon is aware of numerous timelines and the fact he brought Cornell into this game means the non canon game flat out exist in alternate timelines. If you're not going to address this as well as the fact Judgment literally explains the lore of what Saint Germain is then your entire premise falls apart here because it all ties to Kid Dracula and Judgment being canon.

@Robo432343 if it wasn’t what Konami sees as canon then why the hell would they bother making a timeline section in their anniversary book with Kid Dracula there?

Also saying no connections despite the fact we literally said Galamoth is in SOTN is just proof you’re not actually reading the arguments. Can you address Galamoth’s existence in SOTN or are you going to just reference another Wikipedia article? It being a spinoff mean nothing as Grimoire of Souls is a spinoff game and yet it’s literally part of the main timeline.

Oh you know what else is listed on that portal site? The anniversary collection that includes Kid Dracula, wow what a surprise.

Galamoth's appearance in SotN proves nothing, it just means that there are two versions of Galamoth; the one from the main timeline and the one from the Kid Dracula timeline.

The Anniversary Collection included Kid Dracula in the timeline because the game is part of the collection; obviously, Konami was going to mention it in the book instead of not doing so. They would have done the same for any other non-canon Castlevania game.

Once again, the Anniversary Collection book hints that Alucard and Kid Dracula may be the same person, which completely contradicts Kid Dracula being canon.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

I forgot to mention, but Konami also included Super Castlevania 4 in the Anniversary Collection timeline, which is 100% still non-canon because Simon is a dhampir in this game.

 

[Robo432343]

@Robo432343 if it wasn’t what Konami sees as canon then why the hell would they bother making a timeline section in their anniversary book with Kid Dracula there?

Also saying no connections despite the fact we literally said Galamoth is in SOTN is just proof you’re not actually reading the arguments. Can you address Galamoth’s existence in SOTN or are you going to just reference another Wikipedia article? It being a spinoff mean nothing as Grimoire of Souls is a spinoff game and yet it’s literally part of the main timeline.

Oh you know what else is listed on that portal site? The anniversary collection that includes Kid Dracula, wow what a surprise.

Because SoTN is literally a direct canonical sequence to Rondo of Blood and its actually included in the timeline. You don't see Kid Dracula being included in the official timeline anymore because it was removed from the later editions of the timeline and is a parody spinoff that's designed to exist outside the story. The Konami Akumajō Dracula X Chronicle Official Guide further stated that Kid Dracula has no connection with the rest of series and uses spinoff to get the point across. Here is the rough translation:

空中墓地に登場するガラモスは、『悪魔城すぺしゃる ぼく ドラキュラくん』の最終ボスである。ただし、『ドラキュラくん』は完全にシリーズの外伝的作品であり、ストーリー上のつながりはない。- 100P

Galamoth, who appears in the Sky Cemetery, is the final boss of Castlevania Special: Dracula-kun. However, Dracula-kun is a completely spin-off of the series and has no story connection to the main game. - 100P

ファミコンとゲームボーイで発売された、完全なシリーズ番外編 - 117P

A complete spin-off of the series, released on the Famicom and Game Boy. - 117P

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

Are we for real? Christ...

Carmilla appears in Simon's Quest, Rondo of Blood and Circle of Moon, but that doesn't mean CotM is canon.

Galamoth's 10k plan proves nothing either; it just means that Main Galamoth has the same plan as Kid Dracula Galamoth.

The fact that the Anniversary Collection hints that Kid Dracula and Alucard are the same person proves that the Kid Dracula game is an alternate timeline where Alucard remained a child and slept for 10k.

First sample is dumb cuz we have a Dracula in CotM timeline and its an alternative timeline.

Proves nothing?? A yes. I too have a randomly specific timeline plan since the heian era. (Yeah no its stated that he had a 10k year plan).

Hinting Kid Dracula = Alucard makes it alt canon? Alucard is a shapeshifter and he could easily sleep after 2037...cuz 10k years is very bloody long....

I disagree if you can't tell cuz saying as if Time Reaper wasn't gonna destroy everything and Galamoth was his master plus while Kid Dracula IS a spin-off, that doesn't mean its that removed. Plus it has no connection cuz its SO FAR into the timeline. There is a MASSIVE time skip and we know Dracula's story practically ended by the Sorrow series and the grimoire of souls game.

 

[Robo432343]

Are we for real? Christ...


First sample is dumb cuz we have a Dracula in CotM timeline and its an alternative timeline.

Proves nothing?? A yes. I too have a randomly specific timeline plan since the heian era. (Yeah no its stated that he had a 10k year plan).

Hinting Kid Dracula = Alucard makes it alt canon? Alucard is a shapeshifter and he could easily sleep after 2037...cuz 10k years is very bloody long....

I disagree if you can't tell cuz saying as if Time Reaper wasn't gonna destroy everything and Galamoth was his master plus while Kid Dracula IS a spin-off, that doesn't mean its that removed. Plus it has no connection cuz its SO FAR into the timeline. There is a MASSIVE time skip and we know Dracula's story practically ended by the Sorrow series and the grimoire of souls game.

Did you see the Konami Akumajō Dracula X Chronicle Official Guide statement

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Hinting Kid Dracula = Alucard makes it alt canon? Alucard is a shapeshifter and he could easily sleep after 2037...cuz 10k years is very bloody long....

So the Alucard from the Main Timeline took on the appearance of a child for no reason?

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

So the Alucard from the Main Timeline took on the appearance of a child for no reason?

Why would that even be a problem when likely almost nothing happened in those 10k years...? Like it's not like Galamoth is Dracula's level cuz he had to even go through hoops in either using time reaper...or when Dracula is long gone...

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Why would that even be a problem when likely almost nothing happened in those 10k years...? Like it's not like Galamoth is Dracula's level cuz he had to even go through hoops in either using time reaper...or when Dracula is long gone...

Because it makes no sense and is out of character? Why would someone take on the appearance of a child? Why would someone serious like Alucard want to have fun taking on the appearance of a child?

It's obvious that this is an alternate timeline where Alucard never grew up because he slept for 10k years.

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

Because it makes no sense and is out of character? Why would someone take on the appearance of a child? Why would someone serious like Alucard want to have fun taking on the appearance of a child?

It's obvious that this is an alternate timeline where Alucard never grew up because he slept for 10k years.

Time gaps are a thing.

Secondly Alucard isn't just stoic serious and its mostly because idk...Satan who is his is back so I doubt he would time to be light hearted then but...10k with NOTHING of significance happening? Well...why wouldn't he lighten up?

Also explain how does the timeline contradict anything? And Galamoth showed up in SOTN with the explicit description on events that happen in Kid Dracula...Still nothing sufficient regarding that.

 

[TyranoDoom30]

Obviously agree with Glass. Also, people seriously need to understand that Japan does not in anyway, shape or form whatsoever have the same idea of "canon" as we westeners does. They will legit look at you say "What?", because they much prefer using alternative timelines and all that jazz.

Just because something is in an alternative world/timeline does not automatically make it non-canon to something. If the characters are treated as the exact same from the main world, even from an alternative timeline, then there's zero reason why they should be in anyway weaker or stronger unless proved otherwise.

Also i feel like this feat should be a legit hypertimeline feat, but that's a different topic

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

apparently the arguments are so bad you resurrected Red

I agre with KLOL FRA

 

[Theglassman12]

@TyranoDoom30 I've looked into it, Hypertimelines have way too much extra hoops to go through to make this feat a Hypertimeline feat so I doubt we'd get anything tier 1 from it.

@Ser_Hakim_Dayne Can you prove there's two versions of Galamoth or are you just going to say stuff without making any evidence? The burden of proof is on you that they're not the same since you're the one making the argument. Back it up with some evidence because just saying "they could be different" isn't an argument.

Oh so you admit that they had to acknowledge that Kid Dracula's a part of the collection and they had to go out of their way to include it in the timeline, thanks for the concession since you just admit Konami had to acknowledge the game and go out of its way to list off Kid Dracula as his son when they didn't need to go out of their way to do so, and you also didn't actually read the page, good to know because they didn't say they're the same person, they posed it as a question that it may or may not be the same person because it's been an ongoing discussion in the series whether or not Kid Dracula or Alucard are the same.

Super Castlevania 4 isn't non canon, do you understand the difference between non canon and slightly altered timeline? Because SC4 is literally just Castlevania 1 remake, with the only slight difference is that Simon's a Dhampir in this game. Netflix Castlevania is flat out not canon because it's a completely different iteration with its own lore and rules that are incompatible with the games and is treated as its own thing.

@Robo432343 So is COTM and the N64 games, the games that aren't officially labeled as part of the main timeline if you bothered to read into this. Your argument falls apart by claiming Kid Dracula's not canon by using a very outdated timeline that includes games not a part of the main series and is considered alternate timelines by Igarashi and mainline Konami themselves given the latter doesn't remotely try to reference N64 or COTM in Grimoire of Souls.

It being a spinoff doesn't make it not canon, Persona is a Spinoff to SMT and yet it's canon to SMT's grander Universe. Kid Dracula's flat out referenced in the most recent timeline Konami has made for the series.