Can NEP be affected by fate?

[Regidian]

Seeing them or interacting with them is another issue, messing with their fate however, that's a different story entirely. They do not exist, the same cannot be said for their fate.


If the nonexistent is truly incapable of influencing reality at all, then i would say they would be resistant to fate and plot manip yes. If they can impact reality however, that's a different story.

For NEP 1 can be, not for NEP 2 all thing that can be part or related to them don't exist, it's why it's one if the most difficult thing to affect them

 

[Firephoenixearl]

You're saying even if they themselves don't exist; as long as they can interact with things that do exist, the outcome of their actions are still tied to fate/causality.

Yes, that is what i mean. They make actions, they make choices, their actions are based on having a cause and an effect so it has all the requirements.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

not for NEP 2 all thing that can be part or related to them don't exist, it's why it's one if the most difficult thing to affect them

NEP type 2 can differ afaik. There are many levels to how much you can lack and still be NEP type 2.

 

[Regidian]

NEP type 2 can differ afaik. There are many levels to how much you can lack and still be NEP type 2.

Except getting non existant for plot or higher conceptual manip i don't think

At last it's how NEP 2 is described now, all thing that can be part or related to them are non existant on a conceptual lvl

2: Idealistic Nonexistence: The lack of absolutely everything to a state of nonexistence at a conceptual level.

 

[Ionliosite]

I'm on the same boat as Ogbu. It shouldn't work on Type 2 without feats, and Type 1 is more based how the character's haxes work.

 

[Regidian]

Same

 

[Antoniofer]

Ehh, this is what happens when you divide powers into type; this is kind of stuff one bring up in an specific scenario, instead of creating a power that is a set of other powers.

 

[Gemstic]

I'm on the same boat as Ogbu. It shouldn't work on Type 2 without feats, and Type 1 is more based how the character's haxes work.

VS

Yes, that is what i mean. They make actions, they make choices, their actions are based on having a cause and an effect so it has all the requirements.

If it's only "fate manipulation" we're talking about here, both parties seem have their own fair justification.

 

[Ionliosite]

I don't know how that's versus since neither statement contradicts the other.

 

[Gemstic]

I don't know how that's versus since neither statement contradicts the other.

I'm not implying a direct contradiction with 'versus', but two different perspectives on the default resistance of NEP.

 

[Ionliosite]

but two different perspectives on the default resistance of NEP.

Again, they aren't.

 

[Gemstic]

Again, they aren't.

You mentioned that NEP (especially type 2) is automatically resistant to fate manipulation (unless a character has a feat of affecting them), while Earl expressed his own viewpoint that if someone with NEP take actions, they make choices, and thus their actions are based on having a cause and an effect. So, they meet all the requirements to be affected by fate (which would mean a character doesn't need any feat to be able to affect the fate of such NEP characters, unless they have shown resistance to it).

How could that be called no difference in the perspective? It's another thing if you're of the same opinion now, in which case I'd agree that there's indeed no difference in the perspectives of the two parties.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

In my opinion the ultimate factor comes down to how exactly the fate hax in question works.

Fate hax and it’s limitations vary a lot across fictional verses. Some are limited to already existing possibilities and can freely interchange between them as they see fit, while others are more nonsensically busted where they can just imagine or conjure up any fate they want to their hearts content.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

This is more about the "do NEP ppl have fate or not?".

This is about as simply as I can put it.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Yes and im referring to that too.

Lets say NEP people normally dont have fates, but theyre affected by fate hax that can just create any fate they want in one verse. But in another verse, fate hax thats limited to already existing outcomes cant affect NEP users for not having pre-established fates.

Thats why I think a huge factor into this is the type of fate hax that is done.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Why are you assuming they don't have fate though?

Also if they don't have fate they can't be fate haxed.

 

[Antoniofer]

I mean, no one has fate by default, is just that there's few verses where fate is a thing; in verse equal, you can say fate hax is changed to causality hax.

 

[Regidian]

NEP 2 it's sure to not have fate,

NEP 1 depend on the verse and the fate hax i suppose.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

I mean, no one has fate by default

Yeah, but i mean logically speaking.

 

[Ionliosite]

I mean, no one has fate by default,

I'm very sure we assume they have fate due to verse equalization, just like we assume souls.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

I guess it depends on what exactly a fate can be applied to. Pre-established of course.

Like, a normal person would obviously have more fates established for them as opposed to someone who’s superhuman and doesn’t have as much limitations for them.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Im not gonna delve into the "superhuman has less fate than normal human". My main question is:

What the f is less fate and more fate?

 

[Antoniofer]

Fate generally tends to be more incompatible than soul; whenever deciding something has soul or not is difficult to determinate, but fate oppose directly with free will (not is not going to work in another verse, but is likely it work more as causality or probability manipulation).

And, no idea what "more/less fate" means, and don't think is a thing.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Sorry, I think I used the wrong words before.

Instead of thinking it as "more/less fate", think of it as more/less possibilities

 

[Antoniofer]

I'll say the opposite, people with supernatural powers have more "probabilities", in the sense it has more options at their disposition due their powers.