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Can Ikki outskill a 1-A?
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Ouch wait. This is Selection Battles Arc huh? I don't think ikki showcased anything here. He would be able to figure something out eventually. So it just becomes a "both parties know each-other's thoughts". Cus ikki will have Perfect Vision (which kicks in rather soon) so it kind of cancels each-other out.
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Wait, there are arguments for Akuto's win?
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Well, which magic does he use in this fight? If it isn't above magic highschooler level telekinesis crush is still a likely option.Firephoenixearl said:
That aside I stand by the idea that given stats, teleport and regen Ikki is not capable of killing Akuto in the first clash.
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His magic is just his stat amp.
Stats can get amped (although not ittou level he can still use amps). Teleport is a bit eh...it can be dealt with. Regen is not a problem due to Phantom Form.
Stats can get amped (although not ittou level he can still use amps). Teleport is a bit eh...it can be dealt with. Regen is not a problem due to Phantom Form.
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Given Akutos magic control I doubt the stat amp will work then.
How exactly can teleport be dealt with? Akuto can teleport himself or Ikki thousands of meters with a brief thought. I don't see how Ikki can prevent Akuto disengaging the moment things get even slightly difficult.
Akuto has a pretty strong will. Also if the illusionary form is a supernatural power Akuto can probably just shut it down. To that comes that Akuto has experience dealing with illusions, having completely analysed them at a glance before. Lastly he was basically completly unharmed after being killed in an illusion where some people straight up die from the mental shock.
For short, Phantom Form is no solution.
How exactly can teleport be dealt with? Akuto can teleport himself or Ikki thousands of meters with a brief thought. I don't see how Ikki can prevent Akuto disengaging the moment things get even slightly difficult.
Akuto has a pretty strong will. Also if the illusionary form is a supernatural power Akuto can probably just shut it down. To that comes that Akuto has experience dealing with illusions, having completely analysed them at a glance before. Lastly he was basically completly unharmed after being killed in an illusion where some people straight up die from the mental shock.
For short, Phantom Form is no solution.
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Wdym?
Well stuff like shinkirou for surprise attacks at close range, trackless step, perfect vision etc all will work.
Beginning of the series Ikki had a will so strong he started inducing fear on everyone watching including all the spectators, Touka and the ones watching from the tv iirc. Just by "being resolved". It still doesn't help vs Phantom Form. And that illusion thing seems like basic sharingan level mind manip. Not truly what Phantom form form is.
Well stuff like shinkirou for surprise attacks at close range, trackless step, perfect vision etc all will work.
Beginning of the series Ikki had a will so strong he started inducing fear on everyone watching including all the spectators, Touka and the ones watching from the tv iirc. Just by "being resolved". It still doesn't help vs Phantom Form. And that illusion thing seems like basic sharingan level mind manip. Not truly what Phantom form form is.
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Akuto controls all the worlds mana. A fight between him and another demon king was less about technique and more a struggle of who gets to control more of the available mana.
The moment the fight starts Akuto will start taking control of the available mana including Ikkis.
Don't see how any of that would work if Akuto can teleport after Ikki already started the movement and is capable of using his extrasensory perception. Trackless step in particular is useless against Akuto since there is no way Ikki is overloading this guys brain capacity.
Being unaffected by mental illusion damage that can kill you from shock > Mental illusion damage that at most puts people into coma.
The moment the fight starts Akuto will start taking control of the available mana including Ikkis.
Don't see how any of that would work if Akuto can teleport after Ikki already started the movement and is capable of using his extrasensory perception. Trackless step in particular is useless against Akuto since there is no way Ikki is overloading this guys brain capacity.
Being unaffected by mental illusion damage that can kill you from shock > Mental illusion damage that at most puts people into coma.
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Can mana be equalized here? Magic in rakudai is a fate constant that can never change. Is mana similar? If yes then ok no amps for ikki.
1. Does he even have a way to win from range?
2. ESP doesn't. work. Everyone in rakudai does that.
3. Ikki doesn't overload your brain doe. Your brain would overload if it processes 100% of the info, so as not to burn itself out it doesn't process that much info and instead it blocks part of it. Ikki just fullfills some conditions that are required for the brain to block something out.
Except that's no even the same thing. One is literally just a sharingan in your mind. Making you hallucinate. The other is an actual sword that attacks you. One is raw mind manip, the other isn't.
1. Does he even have a way to win from range?
2. ESP doesn't. work. Everyone in rakudai does that.
3. Ikki doesn't overload your brain doe. Your brain would overload if it processes 100% of the info, so as not to burn itself out it doesn't process that much info and instead it blocks part of it. Ikki just fullfills some conditions that are required for the brain to block something out.
Except that's no even the same thing. One is literally just a sharingan in your mind. Making you hallucinate. The other is an actual sword that attacks you. One is raw mind manip, the other isn't.
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As long as both are magical energy it should be sufficiently similar, no reason to split hairs over it.
1. Akuto? Telekinesis, making Ikki explode from a distance, lethal illusions, oxygen manipulation, heat manipulation etc.
2. Why doesn't it work? If it just doesn't work for no reason maybe their ESP just sucks.
3. That's the thing. Akuto's brain has no need to not process all that information. The dude has a massive processing ability. He can do stuff like grasp the location of any single particle of mana in the athmosphere or grasp the location of tens of thousands of people and one by on move all of them to another location in the timespan of an explosive blast. A process linked to be like grasping the location of each and every grain in a box full of sand and then moving them elsewhere one at a time.
Dealing with bit of input a single human can give his senses is just not challenging, so his brain wouldn't block things out.
Both damage is mental. It's not like Akuto resisted the illusion. He resisted the mental shock it causes, which is the same in both scenarios.
1. Akuto? Telekinesis, making Ikki explode from a distance, lethal illusions, oxygen manipulation, heat manipulation etc.
2. Why doesn't it work? If it just doesn't work for no reason maybe their ESP just sucks.
3. That's the thing. Akuto's brain has no need to not process all that information. The dude has a massive processing ability. He can do stuff like grasp the location of any single particle of mana in the athmosphere or grasp the location of tens of thousands of people and one by on move all of them to another location in the timespan of an explosive blast. A process linked to be like grasping the location of each and every grain in a box full of sand and then moving them elsewhere one at a time.
Dealing with bit of input a single human can give his senses is just not challenging, so his brain wouldn't block things out.
Both damage is mental. It's not like Akuto resisted the illusion. He resisted the mental shock it causes, which is the same in both scenarios.
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Akuto: 4 (I guess)
Ikki: 1 (?)
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Btw idk if i ever asked, is this still fair after the upgrades?
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