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Can Goku survive a nuke?
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Physiology has nothing to do with it, that only helps him survive without oxygen and in a vacuum.
And if ya wanna use filler scenes we can use stuff like him tanking reentry l, being near stars and more
And if ya wanna use filler scenes we can use stuff like him tanking reentry l, being near stars and more
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heat is too painfull radiation is no joke too
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Heat isn't painful when a planet exploding in your face doesn't kill you.
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Goku never took the planet explosion but if you look at the writting, NO ONE, not freeza, not goku himself, not King Kai ever considered the explosion to be threatening.
they were always talking about "Goku won't be able to survive in the vacuum of space".
just think for a moment, the entire writting for that whole part makes no sense if you think Goku can't tank a planet exploding
(then there's also the fact an unconscious, almost dead Freeza, cut in half and with almost no KI left tanked the planet blowing up in his face)
they were always talking about "Goku won't be able to survive in the vacuum of space".
just think for a moment, the entire writting for that whole part makes no sense if you think Goku can't tank a planet exploding
(then there's also the fact an unconscious, almost dead Freeza, cut in half and with almost no KI left tanked the planet blowing up in his face)
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Beerus can look an exploding planet in the face and not even be phased, he's done so before.
And no, 6000 isn't Goku's limit, in Super alone he's tanked re entry twice, massive explosions (that have shown to ignite things aflame and mekt), Trunks used Galick Gun on Black, knocked him into a mountain and blew the top off and the crater was shown to be visibly charred and melted near the center and I can continue if ya want.
6,000 degrees is nothing.
And no, 6000 isn't Goku's limit, in Super alone he's tanked re entry twice, massive explosions (that have shown to ignite things aflame and mekt), Trunks used Galick Gun on Black, knocked him into a mountain and blew the top off and the crater was shown to be visibly charred and melted near the center and I can continue if ya want.
6,000 degrees is nothing.
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How hot is an exploding planet?
It makes 6,000 degrees look like absolute zero.
And on a side note, ya do realize explosions carry heat right? All explosions do.
It makes 6,000 degrees look like absolute zero.
And on a side note, ya do realize explosions carry heat right? All explosions do.
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the temperature of a planet exploding would make a nuke look like a joke by the way. here's a good post i found explaining it
""Energy forces powerful enough to destroy a planet via explosion would be immensely hotter than any single nuke - you wouldn't just be talking about heat released from the initial burst, but also energy reactions released by the destruction of gravity, the erasure of the atmosphere (which would subject the entire planet to cosmic radiation much more harmful than just heat) and subsequent unfiltered energy radiation of the sun, the loss of oxygen and the shearing forces associated with the escape of the Earth's core and subsequent seismic shocks. ""
this is why i'm saying it's completely ludicrous to think lava or nukes can harm goku. a generic Ki blast thrown by Krillin packs more heat than a nuke , seeing as i'm pretty sure everyone here considers Krillin to be a planet buster at the very least
""Energy forces powerful enough to destroy a planet via explosion would be immensely hotter than any single nuke - you wouldn't just be talking about heat released from the initial burst, but also energy reactions released by the destruction of gravity, the erasure of the atmosphere (which would subject the entire planet to cosmic radiation much more harmful than just heat) and subsequent unfiltered energy radiation of the sun, the loss of oxygen and the shearing forces associated with the escape of the Earth's core and subsequent seismic shocks. ""
this is why i'm saying it's completely ludicrous to think lava or nukes can harm goku. a generic Ki blast thrown by Krillin packs more heat than a nuke , seeing as i'm pretty sure everyone here considers Krillin to be a planet buster at the very least
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Ya know how many instances there is of ki blasts vaporizing?
Hell in Super Wagashi was turning steel beams to liquid with its laser, it then proceeded to hit Gohan with them and the heat did nothing.
Hell in Super Wagashi was turning steel beams to liquid with its laser, it then proceeded to hit Gohan with them and the heat did nothing.
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Frieza's body helped him survive the vacuum of space, it did nothing for the explosion.
And even then, I've given you like 6 examples of 6,000+ heat doing nothing.
And even then, I've given you like 6 examples of 6,000+ heat doing nothing.
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yes, and i've explained it's common sense to assume Goku would also have effortlessly tanked it seeing as none of the characters or Toriyama himself ever treated the imminent explosion as a threat to Goku.
they were only worried about Goku dying in space. the thought of the explosion killing him never even crossed their minds.
and then we have the fact Goku has tanked beams far more powerful than planet busters. those beams themselves should be packing even more heat than the planet's explosions.
they were only worried about Goku dying in space. the thought of the explosion killing him never even crossed their minds.
and then we have the fact Goku has tanked beams far more powerful than planet busters. those beams themselves should be packing even more heat than the planet's explosions.
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Not even, Goku Black recently took an explosion that blew up a mountain the crater was visibly melted showing it packed heat and he wasnt even phased.
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I can give you examples were it is, for every example you give me I can give ya two more that contradicts it.
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It takes millions of degrees to vaporize an island though.
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Not really?
To what vaporizing an island? Yes it does.
To giving you two examples for your one? We can test that if ya want.
To what vaporizing an island? Yes it does.
To giving you two examples for your one? We can test that if ya want.
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With Ki Barrier, Goku should tank any reasonable Nuke. Without it Goku dies. However given Goku's reaction speed there is no reasonable situation where a Nuke could hit him with his Ki Barrier down.
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here, let me give an example
let's say namek exploding creates..i dunno...100000 degrees of heat (this number is totally arbitrary)
now let's say beerus fires a blast against Goku.we know Beerus is an universal character...even if he's massively holding back the blast shgould be at least on a galactic scale
Goku tanks the Blast.
at the moment of impact, that blast should have generated enough heat to make those 100000 degrees look like nothing. otherwise it wouldn't have been a galaxy/universal buster blast
the main problem hgere is i think you're confused on how heat works. it's pretty much impossible for something to be more destructive than something else without packing more heat. if goku can tank blasts from universe busters, he can tank the heat from a planet, or a galaxy, exploding.
let's say namek exploding creates..i dunno...100000 degrees of heat (this number is totally arbitrary)
now let's say beerus fires a blast against Goku.we know Beerus is an universal character...even if he's massively holding back the blast shgould be at least on a galactic scale
Goku tanks the Blast.
at the moment of impact, that blast should have generated enough heat to make those 100000 degrees look like nothing. otherwise it wouldn't have been a galaxy/universal buster blast
the main problem hgere is i think you're confused on how heat works. it's pretty much impossible for something to be more destructive than something else without packing more heat. if goku can tank blasts from universe busters, he can tank the heat from a planet, or a galaxy, exploding.
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Do you know what vaporization means? Do you know how it's usually done?
Do you know you literally can't vaporize an island without there being heat involved?
It means plenty and you saying it happens all the time only proves yourself wrong.
Do you know you literally can't vaporize an island without there being heat involved?
It means plenty and you saying it happens all the time only proves yourself wrong.
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I don't think Ki blasts radiate heat the same as normal materials in real life. If that was the case, the terrain would always be scorched for miles. So it is unlikely that Ki Blasts act like raw plasma entirely.
They don't vaporize using heat, it is more like disintegration.
They don't vaporize using heat, it is more like disintegration.
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Shrekkid said:
you still don't understand what heat is. Heat is simply transference of energy. that's its literal scientific description.
it is impossible for a Ki blast that's capable of blowing up the universe, to pack less heat than the explosion of a planet, or a galaxy, or a nuke >_>
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Atomization is even worse dude and them being only a bit weaker doesnt change the fact theyre turned into vapor. And Esoteric, I point ya to the Zamasu fight, where the city is literally on fire.
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i know what heat is, i'm saying they use it inconsistently. they vaporize even somewhat weaker opponents, so what if they aren't using heat, also i'm talking about the anime, remeber in the anime how broly and cooler was killed by 5500 degrees c.
j man they do both, vegeta atomized a lake, vegeta desintigrated dodoria and jeice, vegeta vaporized nappa twice
j man they do both, vegeta atomized a lake, vegeta desintigrated dodoria and jeice, vegeta vaporized nappa twice
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That's one fight, of many. And fire isn't even realistic, given the level of heat involved with Planet, Solar, Universal beings. Things shouldn't be on fire, the entire planet should be molten rock for even a microsecond of exposure to that level of heat.
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Cooler actually survived that AND the Sun exploding.
Broly was pushed through the Sun and his death could be warranted to the kamehameha instead of the sun considering he's taken planets blowing up in his face before and Cooler as stated above tanked a supernova.
Broly was pushed through the Sun and his death could be warranted to the kamehameha instead of the sun considering he's taken planets blowing up in his face before and Cooler as stated above tanked a supernova.
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heat isn't something you "use", it is a byproduct. a reaction that happens when certain conditions are met.
if you agree that Ki blasts cause simple destruction the same way anything else would, and they're not working through hax like removing from existence, transmutation,etc, then they have to generate heat proportional to how destructive they are, like anything else.
an attack that destroys a galaxy will always generate more heat than an attack that destroys a city. unless hax is involved. and i don't think anyone considers KI to be hax here.
the scenes with characters being injured from heat are simply outliers as i've explained. they should be ignored.
if you agree that Ki blasts cause simple destruction the same way anything else would, and they're not working through hax like removing from existence, transmutation,etc, then they have to generate heat proportional to how destructive they are, like anything else.
an attack that destroys a galaxy will always generate more heat than an attack that destroys a city. unless hax is involved. and i don't think anyone considers KI to be hax here.
the scenes with characters being injured from heat are simply outliers as i've explained. they should be ignored.
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Yes Esoteric that's a thing called lol fiction and ki control.
Unless ya wanna downgrade everyone who doesnt show plenty of collateral in their fights to like wall or small building because thats what 90% of everything on this wiki would be reduced to.
Unless ya wanna downgrade everyone who doesnt show plenty of collateral in their fights to like wall or small building because thats what 90% of everything on this wiki would be reduced to.
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Both Broly and Cooler come from the Movie Universe, which is not consistent with the Main Canon Universe.
That said, Cooler and Freeza's species is known for surviving huge explosions. It's more a perk of their alien biology than related to their Ki.
That said, I am positive that Goku survives almost any heat with an active Ki Barrier. It's just that sometimes he lowers his guard and can take mundane damage from things. His actual body isn't all that durable.
That said, Cooler and Freeza's species is known for surviving huge explosions. It's more a perk of their alien biology than related to their Ki.
That said, I am positive that Goku survives almost any heat with an active Ki Barrier. It's just that sometimes he lowers his guard and can take mundane damage from things. His actual body isn't all that durable.
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@saitamax
i know how energy works, i know energy is a property, i know it's a byproduct of of atoms gaining energy by moving more, ok, but the show doesn't do that, they have attacks vaporize, desintigrate and atomize without the requirements to do so, also it's very consistent, no outliers here, so they might not be using desinitgration or atomiztion at all.
@j man
are you talking to me, or?
i know how energy works, i know energy is a property, i know it's a byproduct of of atoms gaining energy by moving more, ok, but the show doesn't do that, they have attacks vaporize, desintigrate and atomize without the requirements to do so, also it's very consistent, no outliers here, so they might not be using desinitgration or atomiztion at all.
@j man
are you talking to me, or?
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Dude, Cooler still survived the Sun exploding in his face, it doesn't matter if it nearly killed if even a piece of tanked a SUPERNOVA.
And secondly, he was also in the Sun for a fee seconds too and considering he's tanked planets and star blowing up before, him getting done in by the blast opposed to the Sun is the likely answer.
And secondly, he was also in the Sun for a fee seconds too and considering he's tanked planets and star blowing up before, him getting done in by the blast opposed to the Sun is the likely answer.
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