Can Cosmic Fear startle a Man of Steel?

[Kin201]

If you mean the person copying right now it's vaguely accepted to be any finite joule number, but he can't copy infinite figures or adapt to infinite figures.

If a CRT about the OPM Limiter is created and accepted to not be hyperbole, I think it should allow Garou to copy anything that isn't higher than High 3-A.

 

[Phoenks]

Why would Garou even try to stop him from sun dipping that hard in this scenario? He'd probably try to follow through portals while telling him to stop fleeing or smth

Why would Garou let him dip away from the fight?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

How likely is it for Superman to see Garou's soul, view him as pure evil, and use EE?

I doubt he'd use EE for this scenario? Killing is like a very last scenario he'd use, and he's only used EE against Darkseid afaik.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Why would Garou let him dip away from the fight?

Would that not fit with him trying to instill fear into heroes, if he sees Superman flying away from the battlefield, he'd probably assume Superman was being a coward. Garou has no way of knowing about the sundip

 

[Epiccheev]

The only other option Garou would have by that point is Gamma Ray Burst as a way to overcome the range gap but like, GRBs move at light speed, something Superman should just be able to dodge.

Would he try to protect earth if Garou fired GRB towards it like Saitama or does SBA being an empty earth mean he has no interest in saving it?
Also, couldn't Garou copy his intangibility here since it's vibration/body control based and he already had subatomic body control/ improved it after watching Saitama do it?

 

[Bastolan27]

I doubt he'd use EE for this scenario? Killing is like a very last scenario he'd use, and he's only used EE against Darkseid afaik.

Would he use it as a last resort if he is going to die, or should we dismiss EE for the whole fight?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Would he try to protect earth if Garou fired GRB towards it like Saitama or does SBA being an empty earth mean he has no interest in saving it?
Also, couldn't Garou copy his intangibility here since it's vibration/body control based and he already had subatomic body control/ improved it after watching Saitama do it?

For the first, likely number 1

For the second, probably? I doubt Garou knows how to use it offensively though. And if two people phase at each other, they can't really harm each other? So Garou copying phasing would be kinda worthless as an offensive move.

 

[Kachon123]

Would that not fit with him trying to instill fear into heroes, if he sees Superman flying away from the battlefield, he'd probably assume Superman was being a coward. Garou has no way of knowing about the sundip

Ngl, this is an incredibly big reach.

 

[Robo432343]

Ngl, this is an incredibly big reach.

Bro explain how

 

[Qawsedf234]

anything that isn't higher than High 3-A.

It would just be 3-A. No limiter means they can grow without limits, which means infinite growth which precludes High 3-A.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Ngl, this is an incredibly big reach.

How so? Instilling fear into heroes is his whole motivation. Superman isn't some random monster. He's a hero. If Garou sees a hero like Superman running away, he'd more than likely think he's accomplished his goal of being absolute evil.

Would he use it as a last resort if he is going to die, or should we dismiss EE for the whole fight?

Probably the latter, EE for this kind of scenario feels really ooc.

 

[Qawsedf234]

How likely is it for Superman to see Garou's soul, view him as pure evil, and use EE?

Garou isn't pure evil. He's just a teenager with a stupid philosophy that's been mind controlled by a God.

Darkseid is the literal embodiment of hatred and tyranny. They're not comparable in scope.

 

[Epiccheev]

For the second, probably? I doubt Garou knows how to use it offensively though. And if two people phase at each other, they can't really harm each other? So Garou copying phasing would be kinda worthless as an offensive move.

It probably works the same as Lucy's vectors gaining intangibility through vibration, where they can phase through things because they vibrate at a different frequency. If One can match the other's frequency they can probably interact with eachother like when Garou matched his WICF to nullify Bomb's. Idk.

 

[Kin201]

It would just be 3-A. No limiter means they can grow without limits, which means infinite growth which precludes High 3-A.

Well, it's still better I guess. Currently, Garou isn't allowed to copy vastly higher AP, especially if it's a different tier due to NLF.

 

[Bastolan27]

Wouldn't Earth housing humans be an unfair advantage for Garou?

Location: Central Park, New York City. The location can be left during the course of battle. If extreme advantages are generated via this location to one side, a balanced alternative should be discussed in the thread.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

It probably works the same as Lucy's vectors gaining intangibility through vibration, where they can phase through things because they vibrate at a different frequency. If One can match the other's frequency they can probably interact with eachother like when Garou matched his WICF to nullify Bomb's. Idk.

Eh, that's not really comparable, I doubt Garou would instantly know how to replicate vibrations in such a complex way instantly. And phasing against phasing in DC has been shown to unaffect one another.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Wouldn't Earth housing humans be an unfair advantage for Garou?

Why Garou? It'd probably be more so for Superman since he likely won't go all out. (Unless he jumps to 2-C because of the nearby civilians but that's restricted)

Better to just have this fight be on the moon ig.

 

[Kachon123]

Bro explain how

How so? Instilling fear into heroes whole motivation. Superman isn't some random monster. He's a hero. If Garou sees a hero like Superman running away, he'd more than likely think he's accomplished his goal of being absolute evil.

At this point in time, Garou is incredibly blood lusted. Even in his human form, his first thought to someone running away was to catch and chase them. In this state, he would absolutely portal superman back to the battlefield and stop him from leaving.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

At this point in time, Garou is incredibly blood lusted. Even in his human form, his first thought to someone running away was to catch and chase them. In this state, he would absolutely portal superman back to the battlefield and stop him from leaving.

That's different. Glasses isn't running away from the battlefield, he's moving backwards to dodge Garou's attack.

Garou isn't even that bloodlusted in this state? While he is more cruel, he's not a mindless killing machine. If anything, he doesn't even try to actively kill any of the heroes. He was very much content with them just cowering in his presence. He doesn't even notice he's killing them up until Blast tells him so. And his response to that was one of callousness because to him, that would feed into him being a symbol of fear. The only time he's actively killed someone is Genos, and that was to piss off Saitama into going all out.

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

Leaning towards Supes here. Waiting for more opinions though.

 

[Bastolan27]

Sun dipped supes FRA

 

[TauanVictor]

Voting Garou for adaptability, use of portals, GRB and personality (Supes never fights to kill his opponent).

 

[Phoenks]

I think Garou already reached enough votes a while ago...

 

[Qawsedf234]

I think Garou already reached enough votes a while ago...

I don't think anyone was counting

 

[Phoenks]

Garou: 9: Phoenks, The_one_you_least_expect (Voted before any discussion), TaiwaneseScaler, LordGinSama (He thinks it's a stomp for Garou), Recon, Coomander, Kachon, Tural2004, TauanVictor,
Superman: 3: Qawsed (Voted to go against the consensus), Bastolan27, Emirp sumitpo

 

[Robo432343]

At what point would superman realise he needs to sundip?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

At what point would superman realise he needs to sundip?

When Garou starts overwhelming him in raw power.

I'm voting Superman if I wasn't clear

 

[Recon1511]

No clue if Garou's time travel is restricted or not but what stops Garou from using it and going back to the beginning of the fight to beat Superman here?

 

[TauanVictor]

This can already be added.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

No clue if Garou's time travel is restricted or not but what stops Garou from using it and going back to the beginning of the fight to beat Superman here?

He doesn't even use it as a way to end fights tho.

He only used it once and it wasn't for combat purposes

 

[Robo432343]

No clue if Garou's time travel is restricted or not but what stops Garou from using it and going back to the beginning of the fight to beat Superman here?

Garou would do that if he was losing

 

[Phoenks]

Garou isn't even that bloodlusted in this state? While he is more cruel, he's not a mindless killing machine. If anything, he doesn't even try to actively kill any of the heroes. He was very much content with them just cowering in his presence.

He was walking towards them with the intent to kill. He said "time to conduct evil" which is his classic statement used to refer to him hunting heroes. Then directly after that Blast shows up so he has a different target immediately, and he's told that his presence alone is killing them. So he had no need to go after them. He does, however, attack Blast, and then just straight-up kills Genos when he shows up.

He didn't let anyone escape in Cosmic form. He was either distracted by people (Blast and Saitama) or his presence was already killing them anyway. And Genos was directly killed.

He doesn't even notice he's killing them up until Blast tells him so.

Which is precisely why he doesn't just go out of his way to kill them further. Blast shows up, tells him he's already killing them, and then fights him, directing his attention away.

Also, if not for Blast, those nuclear fission attacks would've killed everyone in the area. Garou had absolutely no care for life in that form.

 

[Recon1511]

He doesn't even use it as a way to end fights tho.

He only used it once and it wasn't for combat purposes

We had a CRT for this, Garou on his peak (this key) should be able to use it like Saitama does as he copied and performed the technique too but given how the whole situation is vague it's up to OP to restrict the ability or not.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

He said "time to conduct evil" which is his classic statement used to refer to him hunting heroes.

And throughout those times, he's never killed a single one of them, only beat them to a pulp.

Killing them would literally go against his entire plan, which is to make them fear so much they would be forced to team together to fight him.

Which is precisely why he doesn't just go out of his way to kill them further. Blast shows up, tells him he's already killing them, and then fights him, directing his attention away.

Also, if not for Blast, those nuclear fission attacks would've killed everyone in the area. Garou had absolutely no care for life in that form.

It's true he didn't care, but that doesn't equate to him actively intending to kill them. The part where Blast tells Garou about the radiation shows he doesn't care so long as it feeds into the idea of him being a true symbol of fear.

Plus even Garou were to chase after Superman, Superman's intangibility would disallow Garou to touch him, and if Garou were to mimic his intangibility, that would be completely useless as shown in DC, when two characters phasing go clash against each other, they pass through each other completely.

We had a CRT for this, Garou on his peak (this key) should be able to use it like Saitama does as he copied and performed the technique too but given how the whole situation is vague it's up to OP to restrict the ability or not.

I'm aware of the CRT, my question is whether or not that's an in character move for Garou to even do in combat. I doubt he'd try such a thing unless he was truly pushed.

 

[Bastolan27]

I'm aware of the CRT, my question is whether or not that's an in character move for Garou to even do in combat. I doubt he'd try such a thing unless he was truly pushed.

It doesn't even matter, as sundipped Superman should one-shot Garou before he time travels.

 

[Kachon123]

It doesn't even matter, as sundipped Superman should one-shot Garou before he time travels.

If sundipped Superman tries to fly toward Garou, he'd just open a portal in front of him and send him across the planet. After noticing that he got unprecedentedly stronger, he'd just travel back in time and oneshot him.

 

[Phoenks]

And throughout those times, he's never killed a single one of them, only beat them to a pulp.

Killing them would literally go against his entire plan, which is to make them fear so much they would be forced to team together to fight him.

He clearly no longer fights without killing. He completely lost his mind and was content with both destroying the Earth, killing everyone via radiation, and almost killed them with nuclear fission attacks that were redirected by Blast.

The point is "Time to conduct heroes" infers he is about to engage with heroes and fight them. And in Cosmic form, he doesn't care about lives at all, so he was going to kill them regardless. And he still did end up killing them.

It's true he didn't care, but that doesn't equate to him actively intending to kill them. The part where Blast tells Garou about the radiation shows he doesn't care so long as it feeds into the idea of him being a true symbol of fear.

Wdym it doesn't equate? He nearly killed them multiple times even disregarding the radiation that was still killing them either way.

Plus even Garou were to chase after Superman, Superman's intangibility would disallow Garou to touch him, and if Garou were to mimic his intangibility, that would be completely useless as shown in DC, when two characters phasing go clash against each other, they pass through each other completely.

Garou still has his portals that would have no reason to not transport vibrating molecules. That would still be able to prevent Superman from escaping him.

And is Supermans' intangibility even... in-character?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

If sundipped Superman tries to fly toward Garou, he'd just open a portal in front of him and send him across the planet. After noticing that he got unprecedentedly stronger, he'd just travel back in time and oneshot him.

Sundipped Superman can move so fast that characters comparable in speed to him gets completely blitzed.

 

[Qawsedf234]

At what point would superman realise that he needs to sundip?

Based on the times when he's used it before, when he realizes that he's physical not able to defeat the threat and he has enough time to do so.

The latter doesn't matter here and the former is dependent on how long you think it would take Superman to get to that realization.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

He clearly no longer fights without killing. He completely lost his mind and was content with both destroying the Earth, killing everyone via radiation, and almost killed them with nuclear fission attacks that were redirected by Blast.

The point is "Time to conduct heroes" infers he is about to engage with heroes and fight them. And in Cosmic form, he doesn't care about lives at all, so he was going to kill them regardless. And he still did end up killing them.

Wdym it doesn't equate? He nearly killed them multiple times even disregarding the radiation that was still killing them either way.

My point is that Garou by this point fights with a "I don't care if they live or die. If they die, they die" attitude. He isn't actively trying to kill them, but he doesn't give a shit if they die anyway, that serves his ultimate goal all the same.

Garou still has his portals that would have no reason to not transport vibrating molecules. That would still be able to prevent Superman from escaping him.

And is Supermans' intangibility even... in-character?

He's used it in as a defensive move against characters like Doomsday. And what's stopping Superman from just... doding those portals? He could simply just manuever his way around them.