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If a CRT about the OPM Limiter is created and accepted to not be hyperbole, I think it should allow Garou to copy anything that isn't higher than High 3-A.
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Can Cosmic Fear startle a Man of Steel?
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Why would Garou let him dip away from the fight?
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I doubt he'd use EE for this scenario? Killing is like a very last scenario he'd use, and he's only used EE against Darkseid afaik.
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Would that not fit with him trying to instill fear into heroes, if he sees Superman flying away from the battlefield, he'd probably assume Superman was being a coward. Garou has no way of knowing about the sundip
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Would he try to protect earth if Garou fired GRB towards it like Saitama or does SBA being an empty earth mean he has no interest in saving it?
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Would he use it as a last resort if he is going to die, or should we dismiss EE for the whole fight?
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For the first, likely number 1
For the second, probably? I doubt Garou knows how to use it offensively though. And if two people phase at each other, they can't really harm each other? So Garou copying phasing would be kinda worthless as an offensive move.
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Ngl, this is an incredibly big reach.
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Bro explain how
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It would just be 3-A. No limiter means they can grow without limits, which means infinite growth which precludes High 3-A.
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How so? Instilling fear into heroes is his whole motivation. Superman isn't some random monster. He's a hero. If Garou sees a hero like Superman running away, he'd more than likely think he's accomplished his goal of being absolute evil.
Probably the latter, EE for this kind of scenario feels really ooc.
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Garou isn't pure evil. He's just a teenager with a stupid philosophy that's been mind controlled by a God.
Darkseid is the literal embodiment of hatred and tyranny. They're not comparable in scope.
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It probably works the same as Lucy's vectors gaining intangibility through vibration, where they can phase through things because they vibrate at a different frequency. If One can match the other's frequency they can probably interact with eachother like when Garou matched his WICF to nullify Bomb's. Idk.
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Well, it's still better I guess. Currently, Garou isn't allowed to copy vastly higher AP, especially if it's a different tier due to NLF.
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Wouldn't Earth housing humans be an unfair advantage for Garou?
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Eh, that's not really comparable, I doubt Garou would instantly know how to replicate vibrations in such a complex way instantly. And phasing against phasing in DC has been shown to unaffect one another.
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Why Garou? It'd probably be more so for Superman since he likely won't go all out. (
Better to just have this fight be on the moon ig.
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At this point in time, Garou is incredibly blood lusted. Even in his human form, his first thought to someone running away was to catch and chase them. In this state, he would absolutely portal superman back to the battlefield and stop him from leaving.
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That's different. Glasses isn't running away from the battlefield, he's moving backwards to dodge Garou's attack.
Garou isn't even that bloodlusted in this state? While he is more cruel, he's not a mindless killing machine. If anything, he doesn't even try to actively kill any of the heroes. He was very much content with them just cowering in his presence. He doesn't even notice he's killing them up until Blast tells him so. And his response to that was one of callousness because to him, that would feed into him being a symbol of fear. The only time he's actively killed someone is Genos, and that was to piss off Saitama into going all out.
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Leaning towards Supes here. Waiting for more opinions though.
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Sun dipped supes FRA
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Voting Garou for adaptability, use of portals, GRB and personality (Supes never fights to kill his opponent).
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I don't think anyone was counting
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Garou: 9: Phoenks, The_one_you_least_expect (Voted before any discussion), TaiwaneseScaler, LordGinSama (He thinks it's a stomp for Garou), Recon, Coomander, Kachon, Tural2004, TauanVictor,
Superman: 3: Qawsed (Voted to go against the consensus), Bastolan27, Emirp sumitpo
Superman: 3: Qawsed (Voted to go against the consensus), Bastolan27, Emirp sumitpo
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At what point would superman realise he needs to sundip?
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When Garou starts overwhelming him in raw power.
I'm voting Superman if I wasn't clear
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This can already be added.
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He doesn't even use it as a way to end fights tho.
He only used it once and it wasn't for combat purposes
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Garou would do that if he was losing
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He was walking towards them with the intent to kill. He said "time to conduct evil" which is his classic statement used to refer to him hunting heroes. Then directly after that Blast shows up so he has a different target immediately, and he's told that his presence alone is killing them. So he had no need to go after them. He does, however, attack Blast, and then just straight-up kills Genos when he shows up.
He didn't let anyone escape in Cosmic form. He was either distracted by people (Blast and Saitama) or his presence was already killing them anyway. And Genos was directly killed.
Which is precisely why he doesn't just go out of his way to kill them further. Blast shows up, tells him he's already killing them, and then fights him, directing his attention away.
Also, if not for Blast, those nuclear fission attacks would've killed everyone in the area. Garou had absolutely no care for life in that form.
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We had a CRT for this, Garou on his peak (this key) should be able to use it like Saitama does as he copied and performed the technique too but given how the whole situation is vague it's up to OP to restrict the ability or not.
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And throughout those times, he's never killed a single one of them, only beat them to a pulp.
Killing them would literally go against his entire plan, which is to make them fear so much they would be forced to team together to fight him.
It's true he didn't care, but that doesn't equate to him actively intending to kill them. The part where Blast tells Garou about the radiation shows he doesn't care so long as it feeds into the idea of him being a true symbol of fear.
Plus even Garou were to chase after Superman, Superman's intangibility would disallow Garou to touch him, and if Garou were to mimic his intangibility, that would be completely useless as shown in DC, when two characters phasing go clash against each other, they pass through each other completely.
I'm aware of the CRT, my question is whether or not that's an in character move for Garou to even do in combat. I doubt he'd try such a thing unless he was truly pushed.
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It doesn't even matter, as sundipped Superman should one-shot Garou before he time travels.
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If sundipped Superman tries to fly toward Garou, he'd just open a portal in front of him and send him across the planet. After noticing that he got unprecedentedly stronger, he'd just travel back in time and oneshot him.
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He clearly no longer fights without killing. He completely lost his mind and was content with both destroying the Earth, killing everyone via radiation, and almost killed them with nuclear fission attacks that were redirected by Blast.
The point is "Time to conduct heroes" infers he is about to engage with heroes and fight them. And in Cosmic form, he doesn't care about lives at all, so he was going to kill them regardless. And he still did end up killing them.
Wdym it doesn't equate? He nearly killed them multiple times even disregarding the radiation that was still killing them either way.
Garou still has his portals that would have no reason to not transport vibrating molecules. That would still be able to prevent Superman from escaping him.
And is Supermans' intangibility even... in-character?
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Sundipped Superman can move so fast that characters comparable in speed to him gets completely blitzed.
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Based on the times when he's used it before, when he realizes that he's physical not able to defeat the threat and he has enough time to do so.
The latter doesn't matter here and the former is dependent on how long you think it would take Superman to get to that realization.
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My point is that Garou by this point fights with a "I don't care if they live or die. If they die, they die" attitude. He isn't actively trying to kill them, but he doesn't give a shit if they die anyway, that serves his ultimate goal all the same.
He's used it in as a defensive move against characters like Doomsday. And what's stopping Superman from just... doding those portals? He could simply just manuever his way around them.
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