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Calculation Requests Thread - 8

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@Kepekley

I had put my response in the relative blog, if you want to continue the discussion we can do it there.
 
Stefano4444 said:
@Kepekley
I had put my response in the relative blog, if you want to continue the discussion we can do it there.
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I'm not the guy who made the calc, i was just informing you of that.
 
Kepekley23 said:
I'm not the guy who made the calc, i was just informing you of that.
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I know, i only want to tell you that i wanted to continue the discussion in another place, so that we don't waste space here.
 
@Kepekley23 (from earlier)

Thanks again, man. The first method seems more accurate at face value when comparing the feat to others of its type on here, but the second appears to be the one that was approved. Still, really appreciate it.

Would this make him Subsonic with Supersonic reactions, or?

EDIT: Nevermind. Just saw the edits to the profiles.
 
I specified & shorten the importance of the requested calc which was from @Super Ascended Sean Pazdera and his brief description he made and was taken from the previous calc thread.

1. Importance/Priority: Tier 3; it scales to Frisk & Undyne's Durability.

Name of the Verse: Undertale

Brief Feat Description:

(Start at 9:59 to 10:30): https://youtu.be/7vcHXmzX5kg?t=590

"Cool. Another thing that I should mention that I forgot is that Undyne owns a stove that can be turned so hot that it can ignite the air itself, essentially causing an explosion. It should be noted that this explosion hurt even her (Stove's AP feat) and she acted like nothing happened (Undyne's Stamina feat) and Frisk was not shown to be damaged at all despite her/him/it/them being the same distance from the stove (Frisk's Durability feat). This is important because Frisk should be nowhere near as determined as when she fought Asgore Dreemurr."

Calculate:

What is the Stove's AP feat of the destruction inside Undyne's house and how durable would both Frisk & Undyne need to survive this?

For me, I believe it could be a high-end Small Building level explosion.

2. Here's the same calc from the previous thread that is still requested from me and once again, I specified and shorten the importance:

Importance/Priority: Tier 3; it scales to Tsunderplane's AP & Frisk's Durability.

Name of the Verse: Undertale

Brief Feat Description: (Start at 0:09 to 0:17): https://youtu.be/jJD6HxnCKdg?t=9

At the start of 0:09, Tsunderplane flies into the air & since she's considered to be a Boeing 747 in VSBW, they can fly up to 45,000 feet (13716 meters). Next, Tsunderplane drops nukes/bombs at Frisk, the explosions were shown to reach even higher than the height of Tsunderplane was flying in the air, which would be between 45,000 to 50,000 feet (15240 meters). Frisk can easily survive up to 5 nukes/bombs being dropped onto them.

Calculate:

What is the AP of Tsunderplane's bombs and how durable would Frisk need to be to survive them?
 
@Magi RobloxG

I'm not sure why you're bringing this back up. These characters are already far too high in their respective tiers to upgrade them. They are all tier 4, and this thing is an absolutely massive wall of text.
 
Assaltwaffle said:
@Magi RobloxG
I'm not sure why you're bringing this back up. These characters are already far too high in their respective tiers to upgrade them. They are all tier 4, and this thing is an absolutely massive wall of text.
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I'm sorry to butt in, but, pardon? None of the characters mentioned in that post, Frisk , Asgore Dreemurr, Undyne , or Tsunderplane, are Tier 4, contrary to you saying "They are all tier 4".

Respectively, they are: 10-C physically. Up to at the very least 7-C when filled with enough Determination. Likely 2-B with sufficiently immense amounts of Determination. (Frisk), At least 7-C, likely far higher (Asgore Dreemurr), At least 7-C, likely far higher | Unknown (Undyne), & Low 7-C (Tsunderplane).

I'm not entirely confident Frisk was filled with Determination to go to 7-C during the date with Undyne, & I'd think a supposed 10-C surviving a house-wrecking stove explosion may be ground for a durability upgrade. Similarly, there may be basis for an upgrade to Frisk for surviving multiple (5, apparently?) bombs/nukes from Tsunderplane which make explosions that apparently reach 10s of thousands of feet.

ANYWAY, I am actually here because of a calc request.

  • Importance/Priority: 2 - It would seem that most characters in this setting can create Sparkle Matter, so it may be possible for them to create it on the same scale as Rick did.
  • Name of the Verse/Character: Unikitty!
  • Brief Feat Description: Season 1, episode 2, "Sparkle Matter Matters" reveals that in the Unikitty! setting, during sufficiently intense emotion, characters release "Sparkle Matter". 1 of Unikitty's friends, Rick, has never made any Sparkle Matter. Unikitty & another of her friends expose Rick to a happiness serum & then another kind of serum, both causing Rick to create gigantic Sparkle Matter. Some of it can be see near the end of the episode.
Calc request: What is the AP indicated by creating such gigantic Sparkle Matter?

Unikitty! is a new series airing on Cartoon Network, & the title character originates from The Lego Movie. As it is a Lego series, presumably, most characters & objects can be reasonably assumed to be made of Lego or similar materials. This may possibly extend to some or all Sparkle Matter.

It may be helpful for determining size, mass & possibly other info to note that the wiki says about Unikitty's size in the movie: "Unikitty is 5 › bricks tall, her body is has a 1x3x5 volume, and her head has a volume of 1x3x10." I am unsure if this size is maintained in the Unikitty! adaptation, however, & considering other means of determining sizes, mass, etc. may be worth considering.
 
@Imaginym

All his requests are priority tier 4. I didn't mean AP tier 4. My fault on wording.
 
Assaltwaffle said:
@Imaginym
All his requests are priority tier 4. I didn't mean AP tier 4. My fault on wording.
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Ah, my mistake, fair enough. Nonetheless, while I do not know the exact values for those characters' statistics, I'm unsure them being low priority warrants dismissing them. Even if repeatedly posted, it may be possible someone will take them on. Plus, apologies for asking, but is it so out of the realm of possibility that 10-C &/or 7-C Frisk could be upgraded in durability by the stove explosion &/or being hit by multiple of Tsunderplane's bombs/nukes of apparently considerable range?
 
Undertale's in-game screen is already suspect enough for calcing. Saying "Tsundereplane can fly up to 50,000 feet so the bombs are also tens of thousands of feet" doesn't make sense, unless you want to say that Frisk's soul and Tsundereplane itself are thousands of feet tall. So yes, I am pretty confident that nothing is getting above 7-C.

Frisk doesn't have 10-C durability. His lowest durability, right now, is Wall level. Wall level is an absolutely massive Tier that spans for more than 4,000 times. Even a much larger room-busting explosio that launched a cast iron kettle through the roof and left a crater only got 8 Kilograms of TNT as a result.
 
So it'd be unlikely it would get above Low Room Level. Well, nonetheless, do we know how far into Wall Level Frisk's durability actually is, then? Wall Level is a massive tier, & I don't see any calculation links related to Frisk's durability on the profile. If their current durability is low enough in Wall Level, something in that range could be an upgrade, no?

Also, what of Tsunderplane's bombs? Even if we don't know the range, they might have notable AP. As for the Bulletboard thing, I can agree that it's suspect. But Tsunderplane is a plane, so I think it's reasonable to assume it's flying, especially if it's attacking via dropping bombs. But yes, it might be a bit strange to use the bullet board as a basis for explosive range here.
 
Assaltwaffle said:
@Magi RobloxG
I'm not sure why you're bringing this back up. These characters are already far too high in their respective tiers to upgrade them. They are all tier 4, and this thing is an absolutely massive wall of text.
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1. Don't dodge the first calc, it may be important to know exactly how powerful the Stove's Attack Potency was and how durable would Undyne & Frisk be since they survived it. Also, they might need keys for their profile in a different time & I really want to know what it is by then, and I don't honestly agree on it being any lower than Tier 3.

2. Once again Bombs/Nukes are usually superior to the AP/Striking Strength of the Planes for most cases and stating in a way that is irrelevant to not know to AP of Nukes/Bombs is highly illogical.

"So yes, I am pretty confident that nothing is getting above 7-C."

Overconfidence is literally nothing & not a good reason for it, and I tend to not believe in assumptions unless its actually proven to be correct.
 
Magi RobloxG said:
Don't dodge the first calc
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I'm not dodging anything. I'm simply stating why I don't think these are worth calcing. Dodging implies that I have to get out of working something that I am obligated to do. It doesn't work like that I'm afraid. The calculation members are not obligated to do any calc, and can choose not do one for any number of reasons (not familiar with the material, doesn't buy the validity, unfamiliar with the methodology required to perform the calculation, ect.)

I was giving you reasons to why I will not be undertaking these calculations, instead of just outright ignoring them like I very well could have done. To be frank, no one here owes you anything, and if no calc members want to take up your request, then you can't hold that against them. Back before I became a calc member myself my requests oftentimes went unfinished for reasons I did not know. It just happens. If one of the other calculation members wishes to do these for you that is perfectly fine and I'll be happy to evaluate them, but I do not wish to spend my time on them for reasons I have stated both above and in the previous thread.
 
@Assaltwaffle

Dude, I'm not obligating you to do it, one of the main reasons why I mention that in a way that makes you a bit uncomfortable about it is due to the fact of how I always see almost all of the Undertale profiles are nothing but speculatory statements with nothing justifying them in any way while for other profiles from other verses, it shows the opposite. I & various others can sometimes find that as prejudice in a way and no, I'm not blaming you btw. It just happens.

Yea, I know but it barely helps at all and I technically wouldn't consider them as good reasons for it, no offence. I never stated nor trying to imply that you owe me anything and that feeling you experienced back then like what I'm going through too right now honestly sucks to deal with, especially when it keeps recurring and you don't know how to do your own calc by yourself without nobody's help :/
 
@Magi RobloxG

This is getting really old really fast my man. You can't say "I'm not blaming you" and then insult me by saying "you don't know how to do your own calc by yourself without nobody's help".

See, the thing is, it isn't that I CAN'T do them. It is the fact that I think that they are a waste of my time or, in regards to he Tsundereplane one, abusing game scaling for a potentially ludicrous result. Even then I'd yield to other staff if they decided that such a thing was usable. If you're attempting to goad me into doing them to try and prove myself, I already have nothing to prove. I may not be a perfect calcer, but I am competent enough to not only write an in-depth guide on the subject, but also have the done a great number of calculations accepted by and used in this community. Either way this is my last post regarding this, lest I say something I'll regret.
 
@Assaltwaffle

That wasn't an insult, you misinterpreted & got it the wrong way. I said that as in people have a hard time doing a calc by themselves due to being inexperienced. I never meant it as an indirect insult nor meant to say anything in a negative way.

How is that abusing the game scaling? There is no proper game scaling from the way some people see it of how certain UT profiles are scaled here. Lastly no, I'm not and never will not do such a thing to do, terribly sorry if you think I was.
 
Magi RobloxG

Don't put any more than 1 (one) space in between paragraphs. It's annoying and it's a significant waste of space.

Thank you.
 
@Magi RobloxG

This is not supposed to be a discussion thread.
 
Verse: DOOM

Tier: 1 (Anyone in the lower tiers who can survive these will be re-tiered accordingly.)

Description (Feat 1): Revenant's missile destroys a steel beam and shakes loose some metal parts.

Description (Feat 2): The reboot's Frag Grenade weapon's spans a 5 meter radius with no drop-spots.

Feat 1: Here

Feat 2: Below

The design of this weapon is conventional in nature, though it has been refined to perform at the limit of its ballistic capabilities. The UAC Fragmentation Grenade uses a Comp-D explosive package encased in a steel alloy shell, and has an effective fatality radius of about 5 meters. Improvements on the antiquated M67 grenade include a more reliable chemical fuse mechanism, interior machining of the casing to provide more efficient projectile dispersion and a trigger switch safety clip to prevent unwanted activation. The newer Comp-D explosive also ensures the radial pressure wave has no "drop spots" - ensuring full damage potential within the fatality zone.

For the second feat, here's a link to the Wikipedia article on Composition B explosive material. The grenade's equivalent, "Composition D", should be comparable to this stuff. Also, whatever this yields will be effective at every point of the blast radius, because again, no drop-spots.
 
Copying this here as the previous attempt, while greatly appreciated. If anyone is able to perform these calculations, it would be greatly appreciated.

The Gamer verse is currently lacking in any calculations at the moment, most of their statistics coming from obvious showings in the webcomic, as well as statements from various characters (or from Jee-Han's ability) within the verse. If anyone could help with any of the following, it would be greatly appreciated.

Request 1: AP by size

Priority: Tier 2, scales to the high tiers in the verse

Verse: The Gamer

Description: One of Lolikiano's summons creates large metal humanoids with the capacity to run and attack.

Necessary Panels: Here is one panel where they are standing at full height. Here is a panel showing them to be running, which should allow KE to be used.


Request 2: AP of "The Black Sun"

Priority: Tier 3, scales to the two god tiers in the verse

Verse: The Gamer

Description: Hwan Sun-Gong's ultimate attack, a void of sorts that sucks everything in. It appears that it might be obliterating some of the large hills in the background, though that just may be the air warping in the background.

Necessary Panels: The attack . The first time the attack was used (in his near death state). A potential area of effect here.


Request 3: AP of The Golem's Explosio

Priority: Tier 1, Changing this to a tier one, as it is an early feat that scales to characters later on (after various power-ups)

Verse: The Gamer

Descriptio: The Large Golem, lead by the Black Rock Mage unleashes a fire attack that destroys a large area.

Request: Could someone calculate the destruction of this for me please. It would help with trying to give tiers to those within The Gamer verse. The aftermath of the attack is here.

Other Potentially Necessasry Panels: Here is a panel that should allow one to get an approximation of the size of the buildings. This for another view of potential building sizes.

Putting this here again as it would seriously help with the creation of The Gamer as a verse (at the moment there are only two profiles up with the second one scaled to the first). Any help would be much appreciated.

Thank you.
 
Oh man, thanks.

Looks like a bunch of the verse's characters are getting upgrades and downgrades now.
 
Scans: One, Two, Three, Four, Five, Six.

  • Importance: 1 (Scales to virtually every important character in the Verse)
  • Verse: Warhammer 40,000
  • Description: Space Marine smashes a Hive City's power source, causing a massive Chaos-energy nuclear explosion which destroys the entire city and kills its inhabitants. And then he survives it. We know that the city extends for miles, so that should be a good estimate for the fireball's diameter.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Scans: One, Two, Three, Four, Five, Six.
  • Importance: 1 (Scales to virtually every important character in the Verse)
  • Verse: Warhammer 40,000
  • Description: Space Marine smashes a Hive City's power source, causing a massive Chaos-energy nuclear explosion which destroys the entire city and kills its inhabitants. And then he survives it. We know that the city extends for miles, so that should be a good estimate for the fireball's diameter.
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https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Kepekley23/Warhammer_40k:_City-Busting_Chaos_Energy
 
Oh... that isn't big... well I can tell you right now this isn't breaking its Subsonic rating.
 
Sorry, that thing covers maybe 10 of itself (45 meters max) in 6 seconds. Around 7.5 meters per second. Unless you try to assume that those clouds are normal height (which shouldn't be the case since it is not small in comparison) it isn't a fast flight.
 
It flies through space... and it's subsonic

God, it must take forever for it to get anywhere
 
Feat(s):https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0Etx4CBKZp4&feature=youtu.be&t=3m24s

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o763gGBvtjE (Feat at 25:12 for the second one)


Verse: Ty the Tasmanian Tiger (really reaching the bottom of the barrel here)

Priority: 1 (Scales to everyone in the Verse as they are all physically superior to the character in question)

Description: The main villain, Boss Cass, survives a giant explosion without a scratch at the beginning of the game. He then survives an explosion that destroys his giant robot and sends him flying and crashing a considerable distance.
 
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