Butters Brackets: Round 12 Deathstroke vs Bonsly

[Necromercer]

Yeah, it's kinda stupid (not being rude, it's just true)

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Not sure if anyone brought this up or not but Bonsly actually has Intimidator, giving it a 1 in 3 chance of canceling out an opponent's melee attacks

 

[Necromercer]

And...Deathstroke doesn't have to use melee attacks? He can still go pop pop.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Not only are they starting hundreds of meters apart making dodging entirely possible but Bonsly has both passive and active speed amps

 

[00potato]

Slade still reacted to the Flash, so if the flash really was more then 4 times as fast (no evidence, which contradicts Slade reacting to him in that and you other scan, strange.) At best it is an outlier at worst it is an outlier. Can you stop using obvious outliers, faulty evidence is pretty much worse then no evidence at all.

Higher Surface area provides weaker defense, so logically, collections of Rocks and explosions are its main counters. You can't say someone is underestimating the suit because they use the weakness that both you and the profile say it has. Give proof that the suit's weakness to large surfaces attacks isn't gonna come into play, because it is pointed out in the profile and you mentioned it before.

 

[Necromercer]

Still. Enough Pop's will hit the tree rock thing eventually

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Still. Enough Pop's will hit the tree rock thing eventually

The same thing can be said about enough rocks hitting deathstroke, except deathstroke doesnt have stat amps

 

[00potato]

Yeah, it's kinda stupid (not being rude, it's just true)

That was already disproved multiple times, In Mystery Dungeon, his intelligence is at least normal and he is likely an experienced fighter, Pokemon are wired to fight. Not being rude, it's just a wrong. (You too Sakura.)

 

[Necromercer]

Gonna say deathstroke's experince and skills would put his accuracy far above the tree rock.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Okay lets go through stuff Bonsly has just because:

Passives

• Sturdy: Canonically prevents Bonsly from being oneshot so even if Slade got a clean hit in he's not going to be oneshotting Bonsly.
• Rock Head: Bonsly cant be hurt by recoil attacks, meaning Slade's suit recoiling damage is not going to work.
• Rattled: Passively amps speed when afraid, such as intimidation and moves of the Dark, Bug, or Ghost variety
• Nonsleeper: Cannot be put to sleep by traps or attacks from the opponent
• Brick-Tough: Higher inherent durability
• Power Pitcher: Increased damage with thrown objects
• Wary Fighter: Instinctively puts distance between itself and the opponent if its attacks miss
• Defender: Inherently more durable at the expense of slightly reduced power
• Counter Hitter: Passively able to reflect 1/4th of damage it takes back at the opponent
• Sure-Hit Attacker: Attacks never miss

Stat Amps

• Defense Curl: Amps Durability and increases the power of Rollout
• Harden: Amps durability
• Curse: Lowers speed but amps attack and defense
• Rock Polish: Doubles speed

Debuffs

• Fake Tears: Cuts Special Defense in half
• Tearful Look: Lowers physical and special attack stats

 

[00potato]

But Bonsly still is skilled enough that, combined with blitz, Mimicry, and Tanking, Slade has very few options.

Hitting him is unlikely to Impossible. (He blitzes after amps and debuffs.)

Damaging him is almost impossible. (Even easier to use amps and debuffs.)

He can copy or get around the suit too.

 

[Necromercer]

So, Deathstroke: 8

Bonsley: 2

And even if Bonsley had normal intellect, why would that matter? It's deathstroke, a guy who outsmarted batman.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Implying intelligence will save you from having your strength and durability reduced to a fraction of its normal level by an opponent who only needs to look at you to do so while your opponent amps themselves to be able to blitz and oneshot you while also reflecting damage you try to deal and copying the moves you use against them

 

[00potato]

Bonsly has at bear minimum has 3 votes (Me Soul, Joa, and possibly Weekly.) And most of Slades have been debunked, so they don't really count.

Bonsly's intellect in a combative sense is above average and he again, blitzes and Tanks most things by a large Margin.

Also look at Weekly's list to understand what you are dealing with.

Going to sleep now, see you tomarrow.

 

[Necromercer]

How would Bon know to do that? Besides, it's not debuffing the guns or, deathstrokes suit.....

 

[WeeklyBattles]

How would Bon know to do that? Besides, it's not debuffing the guns or, deathstrokes suit.....

Because its not an idiot? And yes actually it would be debuffing the guns and suit, there are pokemon who use guns and pokemon who wear suits of armor and both are affected by stat debuffs

 

[00potato]

How would Bon know to do that? Besides, it's not debuffing the guns or, deathstrokes suit.....

IT WILL I HAVE BEEN OVER THIS OVER 10 TIMES!!

Sorry for the outburst but It works on weapon, wielding Pokémon

And he can exploit the suits weaknesses with rocks or mimicked explosions.

Bonsly knows what he can do by now, he would know what to do.

 

[00potato]

G'night

See y'all tomorrow.

 

[GoldenScorpions]

Weekly has a point

 

[GoldenScorpions]

Sure, Bonsly is a baby Pokémon so it may not be as smart as a fully evolved one, but it's not dumb. The Mystery Dungeon games prove that Pokémon can be pretty smart.

 

[DeathstroketheHedgehog]

Slade still reacted to the Flash, so if the flash really was more then 4 times as fast (no evidence, which contradicts Slade reacting to him in that and you other scan, strange.) At best it is an outlier at worst it is an outlier. Can you stop using obvious outliers, faulty evidence is pretty much worse then no evidence at all.
Higher Surface area provides weaker defense, so logically, collections of Rocks and explosions are its main counters. You can't say someone is underestimating the suit because they use the weakness that both you and the profile say it has. Give proof that the suit's weakness to large surfaces attacks isn't gonna come into play, because it is pointed out in the profile and you mentioned it before.

"No evidence" other than the scan itself. Unless you're saying the Flash was already four feet behind Deathstroke or something. The only reason you're viewing this as an 'outlier' is because you're focused on speed' instead of the tactical moves. Stop remaining stuck on that, I've repeated myself countless times.

It's not its 'counter' it's just the more suitable approach. Don't treat it as some sort of weak point of the suit when it's not a weak point to begin with. It's not called a weakness at all at any point. Here we see a guy of comparable AP to Deathstroke throwing a car onto himhttps://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11126/111269876/5445690-9708431619-CltNbDJtIiqTgQYRmyoJyP6fZRcPnqkpmyqT2WTl2GbnEe8YdTm2S4lN08BkH1jZmRRklFnji7p8=s0 literally throwing a car onto him , and he comes out unscathed., because hitting a wide area does not make the armor suddenly become paper in terms of durability.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Tactics wont help you react to a person quadrillions of times faster than you

Bonsly has durability debuffs it can use against Deathstroke so

 

[DeathstroketheHedgehog]

It wasn't about reacting to Flash, it's about tactically getting the Flash to move where Deathstroke wanted him to. This wasn't a hand-to-hand fight.

Even assuming the nature of Tearful look would even falter Slade into lowering durability, that doesn't matter because the suit works on kinetic energy absorption, otherwise the Suit would be in a whole 'nother tier of durability.

 

[00potato]

It wasn't about reacting to Flash, it's about tactically getting the Flash to move where Deathstroke wanted him to. This wasn't a hand-to-hand fight.

Even assuming the nature of Tearful look would even falter Slade into lowering durability, that doesn't matter because the suit works on kinetic energy absorption, otherwise the Suit would be in a whole 'nother tier of durability.

Tactics don't mean jack when you can't react to your opponent, so how is it an argument?

Tearful look will work unless Slade resists stat reduction, you don't get resistances for being edgy.

Cool, you tanked a car, that means nothing when compared to tanking hordes of rocks by someone 4 times stronger then you. (Does the suit not have a durability value or is it in his tier? If so then Bonsly should easily get through it.)

 

[Necromercer]

I think the rounds over....

 

[00potato]

I think the rounds over....

Not when there still is debating going on. Do you have any relevant input?

 

[Necromercer]

Yeah. Bonsly would lose, due to being weaker, and not know when to use said debuffs or buffs, as most wild pokemon go for attacking moves and such. Bullets put an end to this debate, due to them piercing the tree rock.

 

[00potato]

Yeah. Bonsly would lose, due to being weaker, and not know when to use said debuffs or buffs, as most wild pokemon go for attacking moves and such. Bullets put an end to this debate, due to them piercing the tree rock.

Bruh, have you read my actual arguments. The debuffs and buffs are caused by stuff like looking at Slade or Tensing up. I already mentioned Mystery Dungeon to you he isn't just a wild animal using random moves.

Gun will totally hit and pierce someone who can tank his attacks multiple times over and can blitz a him, while also having many other useful abilities such as mimicry and sucker punch.

At this rate you are just ignoring my arguments to suit you.

 

[DeathstroketheHedgehog]

Tactics don't mean jack when you can't react to your opponent, so how is it an argument?

Tearful look will work unless Slade resists stat reduction, you don't get resistances for being edgy.

Cool, you tanked a car, that means nothing when compared to tanking hordes of rocks by someone 4 times stronger then you. (Does the suit not have a durability value or is it in his tier? If so then Bonsly should easily get through it.)

Moving 4-8 times faster in attack speed alone is not something impossible to react to, which is literally your argument.

The nature of the ability is to appear teary eyed to catch people off guard, leaving them open. There's no special semantics to it. That's even how the anime portrays it.

You failed to note that I pointed out this guy was at a similar AP level to Deathstroke and was focused on beating him. And yes, the armor is obviously in Slade's tier, the gimmick is the kinetic energy absorption. Same way that Black Panther's tier is low, but subtly high when bringing up the kinetic energy absorption. Anyone who can bypass that can fight them at their true tier.

 

[Buttersamuri]

So, Deathstroke: 8

Bonsley: 2

And even if Bonsley had normal intellect, why would that matter? It's deathstroke, a guy who outsmarted batman.

8 deathstroke? Did I miss votes or something? That's not what my count got

 

[Buttersamuri]

Yea. I only count 7 at the most

Slade: Psycho CBslayeR Sergeant Hypocrite DeathstroketheHedgehog Joaco0902 Necro Mr Exotic Goldie

Bonsly: 00poato Soul

 

[Psychomaster35]

So, next round, I guess.

 

[Buttersamuri]

We may need another vote in case as Joaco0902 sounded like he may have swapped of Slade. We would need to ask him or get another vote to hit grace for certain

 

[Psychomaster35]

Very well. Place it on the voting thread. Ill be going to school now. And if Round 14 happens if Slade is still in and won, invite me. I get back in 6 hours.

 

[Joaco0902]

What are their argumentos again?

 

[Psychomaster35]

We are currently voting Slade for skill, and Bonsly for hax. We are currently trying to debunk each others arguments, but Slade seems to be winning due to Potato failing to prove anything.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Bonsly: Debuffing deathstroke's strength and durability including the strength of his guns and the durability of his armor to a fraction of its normal level by looking at him while passively amping its speed and amping its power and durability while also reflecting damage deathstroke tries to deal and copying the moves he uses against bonsly

Deathstroke: Shoot the baby

 

[Buttersamuri]

Kinda hard to sum it all up.

Basically Slades arguments involve.

Spamming the debuffs is out of character and not something that's generally done by any wild bonsly. (Not saying he wouldn't use them. But he wouldn't spam them, especially in every fight)

Skills, intelligence, experience

Pierce weapons and predication


Bonslys is

Stat debuffs and buffs to make a stat difference

Abilities like copy bat

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Spamming debuffs is 100% in character, Fake Tears and Tearful Look, two of Bonsly's main debuff moves, are stated both in the anime and in the game pokedex as well as in outside sources as being its go to move alongside Mimic

 

[Buttersamuri]

Not really. That's only done with a trainer. A wild bonsly doesn't actively spam them. They will use them, more than once too. But not actually spam them all.