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Broly V.S Jiren
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JohnCenaNation
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Who designed Android 21? Right, Akira Toriyama himself.Genericstickman said:
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he Also designed some movie characters, so are they canon?
JohnCenaNation
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Yes, anything done by author is canon.Genericstickman said:
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But they aren't
JohnCenaNation
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So Bleach novels aren't canon, since all Kubo did was design the characters? Got it.Genericstickman said:
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I'm pretty sure the novels don't contradict stuff that happens in the manga
JohnCenaNation
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It does. Aizen in the manga lost the Hogyoku, but the novel contradict that by saying he still has it.Genericstickman said:
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You could just make a CRT about this but that's a really bad idea
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Ant would shut that shit down immediately. Also just because Toriyama designed 21, Towa, Mira and Chronoa, that doesn't make them Canon. He came up with how the characters look yes, but he didn't create them.
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Eiichiro Oda has a massive role in One Piece Strong World's creation, but it's not canon. If you say that Heroes is Canon, that would mean that GT is canon too, and we know that it's not.
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Heroes isn't canon, DB Fighters Z isn't canon either. The only canon DB media out there are the original manga and DBS anime.
Heroes wank UI because it's new and they abused the hell out of fusion in their stories so of course it doesn't look that special in heroes anymore.
Heroes wank UI because it's new and they abused the hell out of fusion in their stories so of course it doesn't look that special in heroes anymore.
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It works like this:
Everything created by the original author/those with licenses over the property is, by definition, "canon". But we often use canon to refer to continuity since both have become interchangeable. Regardless, all official material is canon and that's why we can allow profiles for DBH and DBX but not DB Absalom or DB Multiverse, which are "fanon".
Examples of "canon/continuity":
DBGT and the DBZ movies are canon to Toei DB.
DBS is canon to the original Dragon Ball manga
DBS Broly is canon to DBS
Etc.
Everything created by the original author/those with licenses over the property is, by definition, "canon". But we often use canon to refer to continuity since both have become interchangeable. Regardless, all official material is canon and that's why we can allow profiles for DBH and DBX but not DB Absalom or DB Multiverse, which are "fanon".
Examples of "canon/continuity":
DBGT and the DBZ movies are canon to Toei DB.
DBS is canon to the original Dragon Ball manga
DBS Broly is canon to DBS
Etc.
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I mean, you only chaged the usage of the word but fair point. Games canon and lore are still irrelevant to the main story which is what people refer by using the world "Canon"
The guy above tried to say Jiren > Broly using DBH logic, and far I am aware, DBS Broly isn't even in DBH yet.
The guy above tried to say Jiren > Broly using DBH logic, and far I am aware, DBS Broly isn't even in DBH yet.
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To put this into context Dragon Ball Heroes Jiren is not canon to the Jiren who is featured in this debate. Low 2-C Jiren vs Low 2-C Broly.
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I agree, you cannot use DBH logic for DBS. I just am trying to clear up the whole "non-canon!" arguments I see everywhere since it can cause problems with our alternative cano profiles if left unaddressed.
I agree, you cannot use DBH logic for DBS. I just am trying to clear up the whole "non-canon!" arguments I see everywhere since it can cause problems with our alternative cano profiles if left unaddressed.
JohnCenaNation
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I thought Dragon Ball GT is canon since AkiraToriyama designed Super Saiyan 4 transformation?ChocomilkAlex said:
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Ah yes GT, the most canon DB media
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Final Word. This is DBS Jiren vs DBS Broly. Not DBS Heroes Jiren.
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The problem is can Full Power Broly can take on Awakened Jiren. The ans is Yes but it will take time for Broly to Overpower him so if Jiren goes all out from the get go RIP Broly
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No, Broly has a great durability...he should be now somewhere near to Jiren in power or at the same level.
Don't forget, he took too many punches from Gogeta blue who can stomp Jiren in my opninion, but you can see that he is still fighting, he took a stardust breaker (soul punisher) but even though he could fight more. I dont believe that Jiren attacks are stronger than Gogeta.
Don't forget, he took too many punches from Gogeta blue who can stomp Jiren in my opninion, but you can see that he is still fighting, he took a stardust breaker (soul punisher) but even though he could fight more. I dont believe that Jiren attacks are stronger than Gogeta.
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Jiren has way too many vague statements while Broly straight up has two of the most blatant statements to the point that makes me question why this is even still a debate.
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