Bowser vs Joker Rematch

[Jinsye]

You mean Pre-Endgame? Yeah.

 

[Jinsye]

@Weeb

Did you read the thread that the blog applied to? It was agreed to remove the "Mid-Godly on EE" and repla e it with possibly Mid-Godly

 

[DatOneWeeb]

So in total, there are many different potential causes for how he could have returned to the Velvet Room that would not scale to his specific abilities. There are more conservative interpretations of this scene that could be used. It is not exclusive to when he is erased from existence. It isn't necessarily a Mid-Godly feat. And he consistently has Mid-Low regen feats at best. So giving him Mid-Godly, specifically only applicable when Existence Erasure is used is barely substantiated.

Solution: Remove Mid-Godly regen from Ren's profile.

The only reason there was a "possibly" added was because one person suggested it and no person touched it after that. Hell, we were supposed to make it only Low-Godly regardless. Might make a thread for this honestly.

 

[Jinsye]

Low-Godly would still negate transmutation either way.

I'd advise you to not make a thread now, the Persona revisions discord is already working on things.

 

[DatOneWeeb]

Low-Godly does not negate transmutation. At least not Bowser's as his affects ghosts as well.

 

[DarkGrath]

Gahd, is the Regenerationn stuff being brought up again?

It's just conjecture. We know that the PT's survived being EE'd by Yaldabaoth, and there are tons of different ways that this could be explained in the context of the story.

Mid-Godly requires making the absolute most intense assumption by saying it was entirely their own abilities that accomplished it, and that it was definitely the entire erasure of their body and soul, that nothing else had any part in it, and that we can accept a level of Regenerationn based on a single feat that is ludicrously inconsistent with their usual depicted level of Regenerationn in every other scene under the assumption that "it only activates on EE" when Vs Debates act like it's always active.

I gave in to giving a "Possibly" for it, since it's still technically possible, so it can't just be tossed out. But Jesus, it's conjecture with little to no basis and wouldn't even be functional here.

 

[DatOneWeeb]

Honestly, Occam's Razor would mean the PT shouting get this.

 

[Solacis]

@DarkGrath

Well, I've actually had a counterargument for your points against Mid-Godly for a little while now. We can discuss it on the revision server.

 

[Dr._whiteee]

It's not really conjecture Grath. Yaldabaoth flat out erases them from existence after fusing the two universes. Which would include there mind and soul. At the very minimum it was Joker's willpower and innate power as "the trickster" to defy the fate of "the god". You can't just blatantly ignore a feat because you don't like the outcome. Your argument that "it's inconsistent with other showings of regen" also isn't the best because it is their end game key vs the strongest foe they had fought to that point and had been pushed to the absolute limit. Also of note is that Yald also had control of the velvet room so it isn't like "their existences were erased and mysteriously regend in an area of existence ylady had no sway over" which wouldn't even make much sense without an outside force (which there is none bar Ren) facilitating.


My personal opinion is that it only applies to Ren due to the whole end game scene where he returns the velvet room and finds all of his friends imprisoned there and soul searches a bit before they are all free and meet up for the gameplan to take Yaldy down.

 

[Solacis]

@Dr. whiteee

This isn't the place for that discussion regardless. If you'd like, we can make a minor CRT to address that subject right now. No point delaying it since apparently we're already debating it anyway.

 

[DatOneWeeb]

Bump

 

[DatOneWeeb]

Bump