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Boros Lifting Strength Downgrade
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This has actually been discussed before, but this is only for the S class itself, the Hero Association never knew of the existence of Boros and the others, with the exception of Melzalgald, so this page comes from God's knowledge.
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oh hell yeah
**** tatsumaki's statement then, we should just scale geryuganshoop above her
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Not so much, in a Murata interview said that if the 3 Boros generals united against Orochi, they would have just a small chance of victory ...
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Murata is bottom tier source
that's also the same statement where he said he was unsure if tatsumaki can beat Orochi
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Pre-Redraw Orochi was a different beast fr
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pre redraw Boros when he finds out people are questioning his LS
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... Honestly, I am now questioning the viability of actually making a CRT to make pre redraw keys a thing.
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I just wanna make geryu scale above tatsumaki already.
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Not gonna happen fellow boner
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Murata is less valid than some guide book?
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Please no, this is not a war that can be won... The consequences can be dire...
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Yes, actually
he literally gets things blatantly wrong multiple times and has to check with ONE on things
the things that come out of his mouth are usually non canon. That’s why every Murata statement is a possibly rating at best.
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Not if you have that mindset
We have a statement that Geryu is the strongest…..we just need to follow through.
Although I imagine the first counterargument would probably be “it says he’s the greatest telekinetic not psychic”
which is just
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I see ... You are in a very dangerous and obscure path, to the consequences of continuing this path leads to the abyss of suffering or a grand treasure ... Are you sure you want to continue with this argument?
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Anyways, I disagree, being the “strongest”;
having the power to move heavy weights or perform other physically demanding tasks.
exerting great force.
In a general sense, strength is used as a physical measurement of straight forward power.
X has more strength than Y, but this doesn’t mean X is faster, more durable, more capable of Y, just that his straight forward power is superior to Y.
So Boros being called the “strongest” in the universe doesn’t mean much outside of it’s basic implications, he has more strength than anyone else.
Unless there’s a direct correlation made between attacking power and the ability to lift objects in the series, then simply being stronger than X doesn’t depict you having more lifting power.
TTM, despite being the weakest S Class, has shown lifting ability succeeding that of every hero in the series (excluding god tiers). His entire character is emphasized on his ability to lift and is clearly shown superiority to other people.
TTM is a clear outlier to this belief as he’s superior to people who are stronger than him in a different nature in terms of strength, that being lifting power.
Iaian is a great example of separating this correlation
Iaian, scales above TTM in terms of strength yet is worried about being trapped under small amounts of rocks, is eventually trapped under them.
Im sure there’s more examples but you get the point,
if simply being stronger doesn’t depict an accurate correlation between your physical statistics between different characteristics, then strength itself cannot be used to describe the superiority between these varying statistics.
Essentially, Boros can be stronger (basic punching force) than everyone in the series, but barely be capable of lifting a car.
P.S. Boros being the strongest in the universe is directly contradicted by Saitama’s existence with the statement being a clear hyperbole.
If the statement doesn’t apply to some forces within the universe (Saitama) why would it apply to others of out choice? What’s to say that this statement doesn’t exclude Tatsumaki as well?
having the power to move heavy weights or perform other physically demanding tasks.
exerting great force.
In a general sense, strength is used as a physical measurement of straight forward power.
X has more strength than Y, but this doesn’t mean X is faster, more durable, more capable of Y, just that his straight forward power is superior to Y.
So Boros being called the “strongest” in the universe doesn’t mean much outside of it’s basic implications, he has more strength than anyone else.
Unless there’s a direct correlation made between attacking power and the ability to lift objects in the series, then simply being stronger than X doesn’t depict you having more lifting power.
TTM, despite being the weakest S Class, has shown lifting ability succeeding that of every hero in the series (excluding god tiers). His entire character is emphasized on his ability to lift and is clearly shown superiority to other people.
TTM is a clear outlier to this belief as he’s superior to people who are stronger than him in a different nature in terms of strength, that being lifting power.
Iaian is a great example of separating this correlation
Iaian, scales above TTM in terms of strength yet is worried about being trapped under small amounts of rocks, is eventually trapped under them.
Im sure there’s more examples but you get the point,
if simply being stronger doesn’t depict an accurate correlation between your physical statistics between different characteristics, then strength itself cannot be used to describe the superiority between these varying statistics.
Essentially, Boros can be stronger (basic punching force) than everyone in the series, but barely be capable of lifting a car.
P.S. Boros being the strongest in the universe is directly contradicted by Saitama’s existence with the statement being a clear hyperbole.
If the statement doesn’t apply to some forces within the universe (Saitama) why would it apply to others of out choice? What’s to say that this statement doesn’t exclude Tatsumaki as well?
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If the Guide isn’t directly wrote by One then its just as valid as Murata.
Not sure about some of this.
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Literally not canon material.
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We have a category for those pages
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The very definition you posted quite literally includes LS, Timmy.
Ok bro let me just break this down
1. Iaian doesn’t scale above TTM due to a statement of being stronger
2. There are literally at least 2 S class heroes weaker than him
3. Tanktop master is coincidentally the guy we scale to Genos due to a statement of strength, including his LS
In conclusion, you’ve proved nothing whatsoever. Thanks Timmy.
I don’t know man, maybe you weren’t reading the manga or something, but saitama is literally a cosmic singularity that attracted god himself, and the only one who has been confirmed to have completely shattered his limiter in the whole series.
So perhaps saitama is just the outlier here, and not tatsumaki, who is just a random person in comparison to Boros and Saitama.
Need I even bring up the prophecy that nobody else could give Boros a good fight? The prophecy that the guidebook page even directly confirms Saitama and Boros (tatsufodder is missing) as the ones who fulfill the prophecy?
You’re gonna have to try a bit harder.
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She has all of the same limitations that Tornado does and also is separated where she doesn't have any rating for her striking strength and durability.
So as before show me a scene where they hit someone or lift something that matches what thebTK can do.
He can be stronger without being stronger than her ability to lift something. Being more powerful in of itself could be enough to beat her.
All statements say the same thing and none of them give Boros a reason to scale to her TK.
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In this case I wouldn't say so. Murata mentions in his stream that while what he says isn't canon, to get a true vision of ONE'S world you either need to listen to him or read the guide. The latter of which should imply either heavy involvement with it or ONE giving a pretty decent nod that it's a good source for canon.
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As I said, Fubuki using her psychic powers to amp bang and bomb pretty conclusively shows that her psychic amping does indeed match her psychic AP
He can be, but it’s much less likely that it excludes one of the two most common and main types of strength, especially when the psychic power is centered heavily on crushing shift with LS based AP anyways.
They all mean Boros = Stronger
Which means Boros = Stronger
Which means Boros is stronger
Which means he has more strength.
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Her powers just healed their old injuries. She didn't amp them at all and was utterly shocked by their true strength.
If he's durability enough to resist being turned into a pretzel then he has enough power that she can't easily stop or control his motions due to superior AP.
I'm just not seeing it for lifting strength. It's a non-physical power in the first place.
Which we acknowledge with his AP scaling. That doesn't mean he can outlift her when we already acknowledge that her TK isn't physical.
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Ziller wants to scale Boros' LS to Tornado's TK LS.
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She very clearly said she reinforced them
AP doesn’t override being restrained by a crush based technique, this is extremely basic stuff.
And this was never a physical argument in the first place. The statement never specified physicals, that is literally just you changing the meaning of what was said for some reason.
“It’s not physical” is completely irrelevant.
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Boros doesn't have TK though so why would he scale at all?
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Plan B then
We once again scale Geryuganshoop above Tatsumaki, which maybe can be handled in another thread, and would make things simpler
But for now, we simply keep the geryu feat due to confidence scaling
We once again scale Geryuganshoop above Tatsumaki, which maybe can be handled in another thread, and would make things simpler
But for now, we simply keep the geryu feat due to confidence scaling
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wdym "once again"?
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Doesn’t matter
That’s just the plan is all.
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Boros would just be Class G base in his second and third key based off of Darkshine scaling with the Gery being a possibly higher rating if it's higher.
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We should use gouketsu instead of darkshine to be honest
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Why does this feel like you're just trying to aim for Boros to get a certain rating and are trying any method you can think of to reach that point?
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Oh because I’ve literally always supported Geryuganshoop being tatsumaki level, as you already know
if you’re trying to accuse me of wank or something, then I could easily bring up how much you’re willing to go back on previous accepted logic that has never been very opposed before, just to keep Boros at a lower level
Or maybe, maybe we just both have some opinions. Let’s just keep it at that and not imply anything further.
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Everyone is biased, if you think about it
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Idk, Damage, but what you are saying sounds a bit too harsh Zil to me, but I digress. But really I am firmly on the side of Boros just having Unknown LS altogether since we don't see him lift, the rest of the DMT all have unknown LS, and Geryu TK is hax, end of story. And honestly, has Geryu even shown any actual feats of being on Tatsu' level other than a few statement, seems like a stretch to me.
And true that.
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