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Boros Discussion Thread
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The he took damage thing was narration hype text. It was removed in the volume release like hiw all hype text is removed.
It's why it's not used for profiling.
I mean, guys. Boros' ultimate finisher move was countered by an attack from Saitama that Boros himself knew was nowhere near his full strength. He absolutely does not upscale more than he currently does.
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Brazillian?
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This was covered in the video and a consistent explanation was given... But since I don't remember that part correctly, I'll leave it to Ziller (The Master Expert) to explain...
It is also possible for you to see the explanation directly from the video source...
I'll look for the part where he explains it for you to see...
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we'll be seeing about all that quite soon..
anyways, have you watched the video?
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Skip to the 11:21 part of the video if you want to see his rationale...
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kkkkkkkkk é sempre bom encontrar um Brasileiro em um site gringo
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also I should just say that it is entirely possible to slightly scratch someone who you are multiple one shots weaker than, since people tend to confuse the typical vs wiki durability stuff with how it actually works. We did in fact have multiple pieces of evidence of saitama actually having a physical reaction to being hit, with how his eyes reacted to the attack from behind and saitama finding it necessary to block his meteoric burst punches, along with the biggest fact that he said it was almost a real fight, which really only would make sense if Boros was at the very least capable of inducing the tiniest of scratches on saitama. My best example again is just human child vs bodybuilder, where the child punching the bodybuilder in the head with all of their might would be able to do a small amount of damage and get something of a reaction out of them, meaning even if the child certainly is vastly vastly weaker, they can still do damage....
which still puts Boros above the likes of Tatsumaki, who at her absolute maximum power, explicitly left Saitama effortlessly unharmed, and garou, who Saitama barely reacted to (AP wise, not speed wise) and believed he hadn't been scratched until cosmic garou hit him with consecutive normal punches.
although I'll be honest, since pre gamma ray burst garou is only upscaling a lot from 5.68 exatons, we don't really have any justification for high 4-C Boros at present, so we might have to ignore that idea
which still puts Boros above the likes of Tatsumaki, who at her absolute maximum power, explicitly left Saitama effortlessly unharmed, and garou, who Saitama barely reacted to (AP wise, not speed wise) and believed he hadn't been scratched until cosmic garou hit him with consecutive normal punches.
although I'll be honest, since pre gamma ray burst garou is only upscaling a lot from 5.68 exatons, we don't really have any justification for high 4-C Boros at present, so we might have to ignore that idea
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Generally speaking, being a one shot above someone doesn’t mean you can necessarily tank their attacks, since the striking strength = durability isn’t precisely 1:1 in reality
being able to completely tank an attack is much more impressive than being able to one shot someone who scales to the attack
being able to completely tank an attack is much more impressive than being able to one shot someone who scales to the attack
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The video didn't cover it. As I said it's just hype text that's removed for the volume release. I know that because in the physical Japanese volume that text isn't there as you can see below
The removed it completely in the volume release, which is why Viz didn't included. Literally every manga is like this.
As I said before, when Boros used his ultimate move in his ultimate form, Saitama countered it with an attack that was nowhere near his maximum output. Boros does not scale to Garou anymore.
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I still propose the idea we scale Boros to Boris/Blast team
Boros himself said he "surpassed the others" which would mean his race. The guy who helped blast was obviously a member of that same race. So by putting so and so together, we can assume Boris is comparable to blast in power, and thus Boros would scale higher than Boris.
Boros himself said he "surpassed the others" which would mean his race. The guy who helped blast was obviously a member of that same race. So by putting so and so together, we can assume Boris is comparable to blast in power, and thus Boros would scale higher than Boris.
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If every one of those pieces of text gets removed in the physical then there’s no excuse for interpreting it as if it’s been retconned or something. It’s practically just an author statement at that point, so it’s unreasonable to act as though what is obviously still an acceptable statement is non canon.
Also the fact that the guidebook doubled down just proves that you can’t argue that it was even supposed to be retconned in the first place, so there’s no point in bringing up it being removed.
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Even if we don't accept the he took damage statement since it is removed the volume release. We still have the databook statement, Saitama's reaction, and Boros' comment which he wouldn't make unless Saitama had visible damage to begin with. Also Boros would be heavily downscaling so his ultimate attack being deflected by one of Saitama's strongest moves doesn't really contradict the scaling.
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He just released ep. 11 today its a great series I'd highly recommend it to any fellow boner.
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There's 100% reason for that though. The text is editor hype stuff. Every manga and comic has that text to excite readers. It's why it's removed from volume or collected comic books, because that text isn't needed to hype the reader. It's a fluff statement that's not useable.
The guidebook is just wrong
- A surging of attacks have Saitama on the defensive -> Saitama took no damage and whenever he actually tried Boros had no ability to block or dodge him
- Will Saitama be corned like this? -> Saitama face tanks all of Boros' attacks and then kills him with a move that didn't even tap into his full strength
- Does Boros who can recover from damage instantly have an advantage?! -> Saitama literally kills him and proves he had no advantage or win condition
- The bottom left text even states that Saitama was tired of the expansion, instantly turned the battle around and a corned Boros unleashed his ultimate attack that Saitama then overpowered while still holding back
Boros doesn't upscale past where he's currently at.
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I see the debate has started, no less in the Boros discussion thread... 
Anyway I have a query Qawsed, how do you know what is written there is a hype thing and not a simple one declaration?
Anyway I have a query Qawsed, how do you know what is written there is a hype thing and not a simple one declaration?
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Because that is a trope within both Japanese and Western Comics. It's why it's removed in a collected release, since the point is to excite the reader since its been between a week or a month since they read the last chapter.
It isn't needed with a volume, which is why they're removed. It is helpful for a living release, which is why they stick around.
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It’s a statement that’s very clearly getting a point across, and isn’t meant to be a throwaway. Nothing says that it is meant to be a blatant lie, and it is immediately followed up with the chapter starting as Boros monologues about saitama’s damage increasing over time.
And just in case, don’t bring up him telling Boros to shut up. It doesn’t really mean anything about him being casual, the most it says is that he was being annoyed by Boros talking, but he even had a serious face when he said that so like, it’s not really anything.
Point is, it’s such a blatant text with massive implications on the fight and we both should know that it was meant to be taken as an actual statement.
Look closer
Saitama was objectively on the defensive
Saitama is blocking Boros’ attacks, you very literally cannot get more on the defensive than this. Also the fact that he was blocking the attacks at all definitely means something, even if it is incredibly minuscule minor damage it puts him leagues above the rest and can be used to scale above those who cannot scratch Saitama even a little. Like sure, even if it is coughing baby vs Eddie Hall, the coughing baby still will easily crush the ants and worms on the ground.
It was phrased as a question, meaning it was intentionally not saying it, because if it did say it, it would be inaccurate. If it was not contradicted, it would only be worth a possibly or likely rating, it’s completely different from the definitive claims, and is intentionally phrased like this to prevent this counterargument from holding any weight. Bad example.
Once again phrased as a question, very intentionally not able to be used as a counterargument.
Yes, he overpowered his strongest move while holding back, which again doesn’t mean anything. All that matters is that Boros, when landing a completely clean blow directly on Saitama’s head, was at least able to do a minuscule amount of damage which visibly caused a reaction from Saitama, that is all. This isn’t saying Boros is gonna be at most 4-A or anything, just that he’s way above everyone who couldn’t do that to Saitama. You’re completely failing to debunk the main points here, it’s not a good look when the first issue you had with it is just wrong, and the other 2 rely on statements that were phrased specifically to not be used as evidence.
Again, coughing baby stomps ant. Also he says that his efforts BARELY phased Saitama, which directly contradicts the claim that he didn’t phase saitama, which is a piece of evidence that I can and will instantly turn around and use against your counterargument. Boros wouldn’t know Saitama’s exact full power still, because he was still significantly below him, but it’s just that it was almost a real fight, he was barely phased, he was kind of clobbered, that’s it. You can’t disprove that Boros did something to Saitama, even if incredibly small, he very definitively did something, which is the whole point. All you’re showing is that Boros can’t scale directly to Saitama, which is something that nobody was trying to do in the first place.
If you’re still skeptical, just think of it this way
he basically can’t feel hits from most opponents, so he tends to be unable to tell when someone is stronger. He 100% sure Boros was strong, he was even confident that Boros was almost a real fight, which is something that he would have to have much more of a reaction to than anyone else, and was even thinking that he might’ve been the strongest he ever fought.
And Boros being around Full Monster Garou is just a self fulfilling prophecy and was obviously intended to happen…
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You can't say it isn't meant to be a thrown away when it was literally thrown away.
It was a piece of text removed from the finalized canon because it's editor hype text. It's not a narration box or a character statement and the fight ended with Borks saying Saitama killed him while barely tapping into his strength.
He punches Boros right after (which shatters bones and pops organs) and them gibs him with a blitz. Saitama was just blocking, that doesn't mean Boros was doing anything effective.
It's your only example and the work itself shows Saitama didn't use his anywhere close to his full strength and still clowned Boros.
A question that is immediately answered with "These two are actually nowhere near comparable to each other and Saitama is much stronger".
Boros struck Saitama and then read off his backstory. Saitama said to quit talking and to continue the fight. Boros goes all out and is still completely outmatched by someone holding back.
There's nothing here. Boros does not scale to Garou.
I did debunk them, your brick wall mentality with Boros just prevents you from seeing it.
This isn't a coughing baby vs ant. This is a supernova vs a prion string and the supernova was nice enough to fake a fight for five minutes. Boros never stood a chance, didn't do anything and at the end of the fight said his entire goal was pointless because Saitama completely dwarfed him in strength.
Unless ONE reiterates that statement it's just no longer useable.
Boros said he didn't faze Saitama.
When Saitama said it was a good fight Boros called him a liar.
Boros when dying said the prophecy was wrong and Saitama was far to powerful for him to fight.
Every single previous take from Boros regarding his strength to Saitama was incorrect and we have in-universe narration that no one besides Cosmic Garou was close enough to even recognize how strong he was. Scaling Boros to Monster Garou because he did nothing to Saitama isn't a justification.
You're saying he injured Saitama or wounded him. That's thr entire point why you keep trying to use the editor hype text. Boros being a trillionth of Saitama's strength would still warrant him being upgraded due to how high into 4-A Saitama is.
Boros is strong. He's nowhere comparable to Saitama and we're not scaling him to Garou without new evidence.
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didn't expect you to respond, I guess I'll get to all that later today or tomorrow
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He probably just thought that you wouldn't take time to respond to a long ass post on something that is not even a CRT, and about Boros of all characters, who most staff find annoying because of people (just Ziller tbh) always talking about him.
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My downtime is more to work or activities rather than a lack of will to write a nerd dissertation on a site that debate dabiut which fictional character wins in a fight.
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nah I just thought I won
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Ziller activities
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you know exactly what I meant. Point it, the fact that the guidebook statement exists means that it was never retconned to begin with, so the intention is still completely usable
again, saitama holding back a lot doesn't mean Boros didn't scratch him a tiny bit
ok first of all Boros clearly doesn't have any bones, but secondly, your response doesn't prove anything. Yes, Saitama easily can very very easily beat the shit outta Boros, but Boros' full power punches in released form had already shown to be able to shake saitama and get a reaction out of him, and in meteoric burst he blocks the attack. It doesn't have to be effective, in fact it was very ineffective, but it would still be enough of an annoyance to make saitama defend, which is again something that nothing else was doing.
I mean, we have proof that you don't even need to be serious punch level to scratch saitama. Garou, while being even with consecutive NORMAL punches, was able to scratch Saitama, which honestly cripples the entire idea that Boros getting destroyed by a serious punch actually makes him unable to do such minor damage to Saitama.
it's not my example, at all. It's more so the fact that Saitama reacted slightly to an attack from Boros once, was stated to have rivaling abilities, Boros then proceeded to imply that he was doing chip damage to saitama, quickly followed by Boros' assault making Saitama block his attacks, and also csrc forcing saitama to use a serious punch which I guess also directly puts it above cosmic garou's consecutive normal punches, but there's not much else to do with that I think
The question was answered, yes. Not sure how a question being asked and then answered helps prove anything, since it was never intended to be a statement to begin with.
okay, a few things wrong with your response
you begin by mentioning that he struck saitama, but omit the part where he had saitama visibly react to the strike, and Boros being happy about it
now of course you'd say "well the reaction means nothing, we know he's way stronger than Boros so he probably could have reacted like that to any attack regardless of how strong it is"
deep sea king punches him in the exact same way just 9 chapters earlier and he has absolutely no reaction, so...
moving on, you follow up with saying he just says his backstory, but omit the fact that he said his [very tiny] wounds would increase over time, implying that Boros believed he was capable of at least chip damaging saitama enough to play the long game
which failed because he just went meteoric burst and wasted all his regen energy on blasts and csrc, but he was able to do some miniscule amount of damage to saitama nonetheless
and also he took damage panel is just obvious author intent, and you're just randomly claiming that ONE decided to backtrack on it despite putting it there and then never truly going back on it, only having deleted it because that's what happens on every single chapter cover. I simply don't understand the vsb compulsion to ignore the author as much as physically possible and absolutely refuse to use the resources given because of self imposed limitations, but the fact remains that ONE believed that it was a good idea to make the manga say that Boros damaged Saitama.
I might need the raws for that though, cause in the shitty webcomic TL Boros straight up says "I got a response" which is a lot better, but I assume it's not
anyways funny how this is happening, makes me think of "please don't scale mob to tatsumaki because this and that and etc." and then Mob ended up getting a feat that made him nearly even in power to Tatsumaki anyways. We sure are good about finding new ways to be wrong huh...
anyways the rest of your response, you mention that Boros goes out and gets heavily outmatched, but you're going to make me say it again, nobody cares if he got stomped to shit, since you are still fully capable of making a scratch on someone who stomps you (something garou quite literally did)
if anything, Boros' AP is just somewhat higher than his dura, considering how he didn't care much that Saitama was able to punch his arm off and still evenly matched him for a bit of time, but there's really not a good case that Boros didn't do anything to saitama. It's like a black sperm thing perhaps, perhaps not, idk.
you fell off when you became an admin
he got scratched
also you messed up the analogy, it's coughing baby vs bodybuilder, the ant in this situation is tatsumaki because saitama was effortlessly unharmed.
calm thyself, I wasn't using it for anything.
boros said he barely fazed saitama, and we did very clearly see him get fazed when he got punched from behind, so if Boros said he didn't faze him then in a way, that would just be objectively wrong.
It was a lie, because it wasn't a good fight, it was almost a good fight. Again, you are completely missing the point. Being massively weaker and not giving a good fight doesn't mean he can't inflict an extremely minor scratch on him.
Coughing baby finds out bodybuilder is far too powerful for a decent fight, goes on to sit on the worms in the dirt to instantly kill them.
Well yes, because he never saw Saitama's full power, because that would be a real fight. It was almost a real fight, andfor the 17th time you have proven nothing except that Boros can't scale to Saitama, which was never up for debate to begin with. Boros can scratch saitama, consecutive normal punches can scratch saitama, neither of them were close to his full power at the time.
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I've been hesitant to bring up evil ocean water because I can't figure out how to work him into the equation, but I am still thinking about any implications it could possibly have.
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I don't. It was literally a statement that was removed.
It isn't. Because Boros never damaged Saitama and never came close to challenging him.
It does. Saitama was humoring Boros. It's why he tries and make him feel alright before he dies. At no point did Boros actually threaten or harm Saitama.
He has some similar enough to generate a cracking sound effect.
Putting dirt on Saitama isn't the same as actually damaging him. Cosmic Garou with a vast array of powers and copy hax failed to even make Saitama bleed. Boros is no different.
Boros was wrong, as he himself said. He was doing nothing to Saitama and didn't gaze him. Saitama still immediately overpowered him whenever he tried and Boros' super move was stopped without Saitama even tapping into his fuller strength.
For the normal punches Boros was gibbed and turned to mush, while Garou always remained whole. So thst example doesn't really worked.
He didn't do any damage to Saitama, as Boros himself said.
You also can't use author intent. As the author literally removed the line meaning their intent was thst he did no damage.
Boros never damaged Saitama in the first place, which is the point. Saitama received no wounds and its relived he was holding back for the entire match.
I altered OPM scaling far before becoming an admin. I was here back when we scaled Golden Ball above Genos and DSK because he fought Garou. I'm also the one who helped out with the CSRC changes. Overall my stance from three years ago to now hasn't changed.
At least not from what I can see.
Nothing happened to him, as Boros himself stated.
We already scale Boros above her, so I don't understand why you'd even bring her up.
For the 20th time we aren't scaling Boros to Garou based off of a retconed statement, a passage that is mostly wrong and reading into author intent without knowing the author and ignoring the actual example of author intent.
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Just off a glance at your response, you just completely made up a statement
Boros never said he didn’t damage saitama, the closest thing to that was him saying he barely fazed him (which means he did faze him a little, which is exactly what I’m arguing)
Bro
Boros never said he didn’t damage saitama, the closest thing to that was him saying he barely fazed him (which means he did faze him a little, which is exactly what I’m arguing)
Bro
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I’m also gonna be that guy and say that you ackshually rushed your response because I can see a typo 
and also there’s a bit of my post that you didn’t respond to in that.
and also there’s a bit of my post that you didn’t respond to in that.
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I was wrong, because like a fool a trusted Viz and it was actually much worse
Boros in the raw didn't even saw he fazed Saitama. He said Saitama lied, had strength to spare and called the fight toothless because Saitama was that much stronger.
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Which just goes back to it being a nothing statement, so I guess neither of us can use it, since that doesn’t say that he was never scratched either. All we have to go on now is the fact that it visually happened in the fight, an unfortunate loss.
I’ll get to the rest of your stuff tomorrow
I’ll get to the rest of your stuff tomorrow
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It goes back that Boros realized that he was completely outclassed and nothing he did effect Saitama.
And visually Boros did no damage to Saitama and was completely outclassed the entire time, as he stated later on.
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