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Bleach's Greatest Fanfic
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It's not made up. That's just how it works.
The scans are in the same bit that you quoted.
It's an even bigger headcanon to assert that Ichigo and Yhwach have some unexplained resistance to it, when it's far more likely that it just didn't work on them.
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I don't see any new evidence here that wasn't in the last thread we had on this topic. Put me in the disagree column for now.
EDIT: This is the thread where it was covered last time: https://vsbattles.com/threads/re-examining-aizens-existence-erasure-resistances.134148/
EDIT: This is the thread where it was covered last time: https://vsbattles.com/threads/re-examining-aizens-existence-erasure-resistances.134148/
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“It’s head canon to assume to assume they have resistance when we see them resist it”
Being unaffected by hax resistance
. Why do you keep saying this as if it means anything???It’s still head canon. Give me the scan where a character says the words “Spiritual Strength allows you to resist Aizen’s EE”
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Damage makes sense to me.
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@Arcker123; not having every single thing spelled out in explicit detail via statements does not mean that every alternative is baseless headcanon.
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Avoid posts like this. Serves nothing.Now it really started
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@Damage3245 its your burden to prove that some kind of spiritual weakness exists, a burden which you have not fulfilled. You haven’t provided a single piece of evidence to support such.
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I think that the topic was covered in the previous thread. That's good enough for me right now.
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The EE should be viewed as literal, because its not being a case of raw power. Whilst it does use the word power, power, especially in manga, is a very vague word to describe something, all that it means is the ability to do/act upon something. Meaning, let's say that Aizen does say that its his power to now erase beings from existence, he now has the ability to actively erase beings from existence. I don't think Aizen is saying it to be hyperbolic, unless you can prove otherwise. Also no, the Chair and the seals don't count, they are made to especifically seal Aizen, which if anything, its a feat for Mayuri and Kisuke, being able to create seals that can handle EE.
As for this part, I could go for the easy argument of "we can say that about any character", but no, we don't do that here. Instead, you could just say Ichigo and Yhwach have a resistance to it, and there are no anti feats to suggest its a case of a power difference or anything, as Yhwach and Ichigo are able to just touch Aizen and not get erased, now its up to you to show evidence that its because of their raw power that they are resisting it, which you can't for the following reasons:
-When Dangai Ichigo fought Monster Aizen, it became clear that Aizen evolved to harm that Ichigo (as we see the Fragors burned a portion of Ichigo's arm), and we see Aizen holding Ichigo by the neck and he isn't getting erased. If it was a case of a massive power difference, and it would explain why Ichigo managed to resist it at first, it doesn't explain how it didn't affect Ichigo at that specific point, as Ichigo is clearly now on the same level as Aizen and he isn't being affected by it.
-Yhwach its pretty simple, he is on the similar level of power as Aizen, Aizen can use illusions on him and can physically harm him, yet Yhwach doesn't get erased.
Once again, if you wanna say its because of a massive power difference, than you have to prove it. I can post the scans if you want.
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-Also Deceived and Arcker y’all should chill outik it’s a heated topic but let’s not turn this into a shit fest
I'm chill, i'm just joking around custer
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No your arguments about the chair and ground and who the hax affected has been addressed in this thread and OP. If you’re going to refuse to refute anything, then you’re conceding via burden of rejoinder. And may I remind you that last thread went through because you went behind the back of an already open EE thread to make a new one despite their existing an open one in which the vote wasn’t in your favor. I don’t really care for your sentiment here, either address the refutation to your old thread presented in the OP, or you’re simply conceding via burden of rejoinder.
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The mistake here is in assuming that "hax" by default is all-powerful and that any instances of it not working must be through some inherent resistance to said hax.
I don't blame anyone for thinking this way, and you can take this view if you want. But I don't share this viewpoint.
I don't understand what you mean? How is that in support of Ichigo having resistance?
Yes... and?
It sort of seems to me that you helped prove it for me.
But again, I don't have issues with anyone taking the opposite interpretation.
I don't blame anyone for thinking this way, and you can take this view if you want. But I don't share this viewpoint.
I don't understand what you mean? How is that in support of Ichigo having resistance?
Yes... and?
It sort of seems to me that you helped prove it for me.
But again, I don't have issues with anyone taking the opposite interpretation.
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Because if it was a case that Ichigo was jsut massively stronger than Aizen and that's why he could resist it, why does it still not work when they are basically on the same level of power?
What do you want me to say? Its going like this:
You: Its a case of power.
Me: No its not, they're equals and yet they aren't being affected.
What points?
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Evidently not since the other thread was accepted.
Because Aizen isn't massively stronger than Ichigo there.
I didn't say it didn't work on Ichigo because he was massively stronger than Aizen.
Them being equals and Yhwach not being affected would be more in support of my point than yours.
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Again you have to prove that Aizen’s passive EE has a weakness of only working on those far weaker than him. Which is never implied with this ability at all. We are explicitly told in Bleach that the only way to power null hax is to be massively stronger than your opponent, indicative with Aizen vs Sui Feng. Furthermore, with Ichigo vs Byakuya, we are explicitly told that your own spiritual pressure (in this case Aizen’s EE aura) is relative to you and can affect you (ie when Ichigo got crushed by his own SP). There’s no implication or precedence for having hax that only works on those far weaker than you, whereas there’s innumerable cases of the exact opposite.
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What I am trying to get at here from both when I was responding to someone else and you is that its not a case of raw strength and its something you have to prove to be the case. Power just means the capability to act or do something, and all your scans that you used last time just said power, meaning Aizen had the capability to erase someone from existence, unless you can prove otherwise, which you can't because only 2 people resist it, that is Ichigo and Yhwach, and in those instances, Aizen is like on their level, yet they don't get erased, meanwhile everyone else gets negged, Gin almost had his arm erased, Shunsui was like "ok, if I get too close to this guy whilst he is still sealed, I might get erased from existence", etc., and the only reason Aizen mentions humans is because... humans are who being Aizen's opposition at that moment. Now its ALL up to you to prove it is a case of a power difference instead of an actual ability, I have provided my burden of proof and I can provide scans for my reasoning if you want me to.
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Unfortunately in this instance the anti-feats for it working against people who are comparable to Aizen (Ichigo and Yhwach) are the ones that you're arguing have an inherent resistance to it.
Since trying to use them as an argument against you would first require you to accept them as being valid pieces of evidence (which can't be considered due to the proposal here), then you can just dismiss them as not being anti-feats.
Technically there is only 1 which is Yammy's soul-sucking technique IIRC. But I don't consider that really comparable here.
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By the same logic somebody could just say "Prove that it would have worked on Ichgio and Yhwach in the first place" and it would be an equally fruitless discussion. That's sort of the issue with this perspective on hax.
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They cannot be anti feats. The argument that they are anti feats gets negged by equal interpretation with the claim that Ichigo and Yhwach simply resist EE. To which to determine which claim is better we have to look at the series precedence, because the claims on their own (Aizen’s hax has a weakness of not working on characters he is relative to vs Ichigo and Yhwach simply resist the hax) are both equally valid interpretations in a vacuum, hence why they fall to equal interpretation. However, there is a precedence of Aizen’s hax working on Yhwach via KS, and ever other hax showing in the verse. Finally, the only time we are told hax falls short is when you’re so strong you can powernull those weaker than you.
At best, this would still warrant likely/possibly resistances for Ichigo and Yhwach, given that at the bare minimum your interpretation and my interpretation are equally valid.
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What you just said is one of the most irrelevant things out there. Address the bible I just posted.
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@Deceived and @Arcker123 please cut the light trolling.
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Right, that's why I said I didn't blame anyone for having the interpretation that they did.
At best, yeah, but I don't think that what is presented is sufficient for that currently.
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I’d have to disagree here as we see Aizen’s other hax affect Yhwach. We have every other hax instance working against relative characters. Then we have the statement that hax is only power nulled if the hax user is far far weaker than the opponent. However, I won’t pretend it’s objective either since we don’t see it work on someone relative to Aizen (few of those exist). But to say then that means it inherently cannot is an argument from ignorance. Hence why I support a likely/possibly rating over a full or limited rating.
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@Arc7Kuroi; I'm not suggesting that all hax be exactly the same here. Saying that other hax worked against Yhwach doesn't mean much when we're focusing on a specific ability.
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