Bleach Top Tier Speed

[Aernasilver]

Just a continuation of this thread but for the top tiers: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3085910

We need to discuss which top tiers scales to this: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:USklaverei/Bleach:_Feats_of_speed#Liltotto_dodging_Auswahle

 

[M3X_2.0]

Eeeh, I think you guys should wait until the discussion about the light standard is finished. I mean, Auswahlen could be considered real light after that

 

[Aernasilver]

Oh yeah? I didn't know we had a thread like that.

Edit: If so then we could just discuss who scales for now.

 

[M3X_2.0]

There are discussions with light bend and his shape, and about light manipulators too.

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

Eeeh, I think you guys should wait until the discussion about the light standard is finished. I mean, Auswahlen could be considered real light after that

Please say sike...

That would literally mean we would have to redo the God Tier speed feats that we just finished doing...

 

[M3X_2.0]

If the problems is with calcs, I can help you guys, no problem with that. But yeah I suggest to wait the thread first

 

[Xulrev]

Regardless, here's the scaling chain I came up with: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3083626?useskin=oasis

 

[Aernasilver]

Well, looks like this thread can be on the back-burner until that light thread gets resolved.

Also, thanks Xulrev we can use that as a guide later.

 

[Xulrev]

I can get long form scaling taken care of, that quick guide was with maybe 8 minutes of work solely for finding the feats to reference and cite. I'll throw together something for later use regardless of speed value we accurately get

 

[M11UTD]

From the looks of it, I don't think light standards will be changed.

 

[Aernasilver]

Well, looks like it was a waste of time waiting for that Light standards thread. It didn't go anywhere and it looks to be rejected. So lets talk about scaling.

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

Regardless, here's the scaling chain I came up with: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3083626?useskin=oasis

We should begin with this start up Xulrev has made for us:

Feat 4 Scaling:

• Byakuya Kuchiki (1v5'd Candice, Meninas, Liltotto notably for the speed scaling, NaNaNa, and Accutrone and was unharmed ); this also directly scales to Gerard due to Gerard 2v1'ing Byakuya and Hitsugaya, and reasonably scales Hitsugaya for keeping pace with Gerard and Byakuya in their fight, as well as scales Kenpachi for catching Gerard offguard and out-reacting him.
• Meninas (Hits Liltotto, also is capable of catching True Shikai Ichigo offguard)
• Bazz-B (Liltotto can't react in time to Burner Finger 1 to dodge it, takes out her and Meninas when Candice is the first to be hit, is consistent since Bazz caught Ichigo offguard ); this can scale to Renji due to Renjihaving 1v1d him and being unharmed after Burner Finger 4
• Jugram, scaling by being reasonably superior to other Quincy as the generally-accepted #2, directly thrashing Bazz-B (justification above, counts as extended scaling too imho)

Extended Scaling:

• Askin Nakk Le Varr: Catches Orihime offguard and puts her under his Gift Bad afterbeating Ichigo presumably through similar means; also directly scales to Urharaand Yoruichi for their keeping up with Askin in combat
• Uryu via fighting Jugram (justification for Jugram above)
• Pernida via fighting Kenpachi (justification above)
• Lille Barro via reacting in the same timeframe as the other Sternritter to Yhwach's Soul King power emanatio
• Shunsui Kyoraku via catching Lille offguard /their entire fight
• Nanao via keeping up with Shunsui blitzing Lille

 

[Aernasilver]

Looks good.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

Which end for liltottos cal was accepted?

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

Honestly, no idea. I see calc members said mid-end, but knowledgeable members said low-end would make more sense. So I don't know which was the end chosen.

 

[Aernasilver]

Mid end actually, Imade. Since the calc members were fine with it.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

Then their stats need to remove the "+" sign.

 

[AppleLord]

We should wait until the light speed thread finishes, and maybe we can get Auswhalen accept as real light.

 

[USklaverei]

If Auswahlen is accepted, it will change things a lot. uou

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

It's not being accepted, DT is against it.

 

[Aernasilver]

Yep. You're not going to beat DT.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

So, is the low or mid end accepted? The low end is MHS+ and the mid end is Sub-Rel.

 

[Aernasilver]

The mid end which is Relativistic. I don't know where you're getting MHS+ from.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

I'm talking about the liltotto calc.

 

[M3X_2.0]

All ends are above MHS+

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

There was a recalc of the feat.

 

[Aernasilver]

You mean lightning dodge? Apparently there was issues with it. We're going with the Assholen dodge. Which is relativistic.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Assholen

 

[Aernasilver]

Yes. Assholen. An asshole power to use on your own team.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Perfect then

 

[MetalGearRaiden]

Asshole

^ this is the official name of Yhwach's light from now on

 

[AppleLord]

It's not being accepted, DT is against it.

One person > everyone else?

 

[TataHakai]

DT isn't the only one against the changes to the Light standards

Also aren't they still Sub-Rel+/Rel without Auswahlen being light speed?

 

[Xulrev]

DT isn't the only one against the changes to the Light standards
Also aren't they still Sub-Rel+/Rel without Auswahlen being light speed?

Yes they are, M3X was simply telling us to not implement changes cuz Auswahlen would absolutley get accepted as real light with any revisions since the only objection to it currently is an almost imperceptible bending in one panel

 

[Jvando]

May you please link that panel?

 

[Xulrev]

Sure thing, here ya go: https://i.imgur.com/P5Wl6SH.png

Yhwach shoots out beams of light, then we get a bottom-up perspective of all the beams of light converging on a single point, moving inward toward it from all over Seireitei.

As I say, pretty slight bend: https://i.imgur.com/6iBt6fk.png

But every objective sideview unaffected by the angle of convergence shows it straight: https://i.imgur.com/INy6tRs.png

Not debating it at this point since Matthew has stated his unacceptance of the point, just providing the context and images requested.

 

[Jvando]

Sure thing, here ya go: https://i.imgur.com/P5Wl6SH.png

Yhwach shoots out beams of light, then we get a bottom-up perspective of all the beams of light converging on a single point, moving inward toward it from all over Seireitei.

As I say, pretty slight bend: https://i.imgur.com/6iBt6fk.png

But every objective sideview unaffected by the angle of convergence shows it straight: https://i.imgur.com/INy6tRs.png

Not debating it at this point since Matthew has stated his unacceptance of the point, just providing the context and images requested.

....

Why wasn't this accepted again?

It looks 100% legit to me tbh.

I remember there was a thread that looked at the 0.0000000001 degree slight bend of LF; It so minuscule that you wouldn't even notice up unless you had a ruler. LF still got accepted as LS by the majority of staff now I understand why you made that thread

It also helps that you have an objective side view of it showcasing that it's straight. Honestly, that curve just looks like artistic expression to me.

If a thread ever comes up about this being Light Speed, I'll support it. Not a fan of double-standards tbh.

 

[Xulrev]

I actually didn't make the LF thread with knowledge of Auswahlen, or I would have brought it up as showcasing blatant double standards haha. I simply went by the wiki-supported standards of light.

But I am glad to know others agree with how silly it is to dismiss Auswahlen based on that. And as stated, it got dismissed due to primarily one staff member pointing out the bend.

 

[USklaverei]

He has some other curvatures, but all were when they had already reached their destination, even though she tried to get some support for it (she passed through Shokonmanku without interacting with him) was rejected because of the curve.

 

[MetalGearRaiden]

He has some other curvatures, but all were when they had already reached their destination, even though she tried to get some support for it (she passed through Shokonmanku without interacting with him) was rejected because of the curve.

i thought Gremmy's meteor destroyed Shokonmanku,no?

if i recall correctly my re-read of Ken vs Gremmy in color, after zaraki jumps and cuts the meteor,he stays standing in the air,which is impossible if shokonmanku still works