Bleach Revisions: Seireitei Scaling

[Omimi]

so Fade to Black is canon now

if so link pls

 

[Omimi]

That other 5-B calc which backs up the God-Tiers being 5-B (Still needs to be evaluated by our Calc Group, tho).

i thought we cant upgrade tier b4 evaluated by our Calc Group

so how come they r already on 5-B

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Because of Yhwach's feat. The Memories of Nobody feat only scales to people who are already 5-B.

 

[ItalianGuy1234]

The 5-B calc is actually 5-A btw and Yhwach dwarfs that by a lot

 

[Dark649]

The 5-B calc is actually 5-A btw and Yhwach dwarfs that by a lot

No, we don't know the size of the realms, so 5-B is the safest choice.

 

[ItalianGuy1234]

The size of the realms is irrelevant, the KE of the calc is 6.3 Yottatons so 5-A, do we need to treat it as an outlier?

 

[Dark649]

The size of the realms is irrelevant, the KE of the calc is 6.3 Yottatons so 5-A, do we need to treat it as an outlier?

Yes or the is calc inaccurate, but you can post the calc here to see what the other users think about that.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Piercer deleted his Cero calc since it wasn't accepted there too. Guess the Captains and Espada can scale from Hitsugaya's City level+ feat.

What end of Kenpachi's meteor feat should be accepted? The calculation group members haven't evaluated it yet.

 

[ItalianGuy1234]

@Dark why would 5-A be an outlier? Ok, I will.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

The 5-B calc is actually 5-A btw and Yhwach dwarfs that by a lot

Read the actual discussion thread. Everyone is agreeing that 5-A doesn't scale to everyone, even the person who made the calc and is arguing the most for the upgrades.

https://www.narutoforums.org/thread...s-and-the-blanks.1116647/page-2#post-57684367

 

[ItalianGuy1234]

@Matt Aizen doesn't scale to the whole result, but 6.3 YT is still far above baseline 5-B, assuming it's accurate only Ichigo will be 5-A and Aizen 5-B+

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

No, Yhwach and the Soul King scales to the 5-B calc. The 5-A calc doesn't scale to anyone.

 

[The_Everlasting]

>5-A calc

What.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

The 5-B calc is the blanks pulling the planets of Earth and Soul Society into a collision course. The 5-A calc is Senna sacrificing herself + all of the power of the Blanks and their memories (Their real power) to stop the collision.

The first one scales because the Soul King needs to administer and control a much larger flow of souls. The second doesn't scale because it is a suicide move and shit, and relates to the power of the souls' memories, which doesn't relate to any other character in Bleach.

 

[Omimi]

why ichigo even scale from an attack which wouldve kil him





ichigo page

Planet level (Tanked attacks from Yhwach)

when did he tank Planet level attack

r u trying to tell us that he tank this----------------->





can any 1 tell us that how it become Planet level attack------------------------------------------------------------------>


Aizen page
Planet level (Tanked Yhwach's Shadows/Darkness)

 

[Dark649]

For Ichigo it's because he slashed Yhwach because someone with higher reiatsu can cut those comparable, it also applies for defense. It's useless to debate Aizen tier, after the timeskip he is easily the strongest Bleach Character.

 

[Damage3245]

It just seems a bit absurd though that Yhwach's Reiatsu would grant him a planetary defense when he doesn't have feats anywhere remotely close to that level. It is, after all, quite a leap in power above anybody else in the series.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Just curious whether or not Yamma-ji is gonna get scaled to Seireitei calc.

 

[Dark649]

It just seems a bit absurd though that Yhwach's Reiatsu would grant him a planetary defense when he doesn't have feats anywhere remotely close to that level.

It seems you did not watched the series, Kenpachi stated that reiatsu can be used for defense, he explains that to Ichigo because he was unable to slash him.

 

[Damage3245]

It seems you did not watched the series, Kenpachi stated that reiatsu can be used for defense, he explains that to Ichigo because he was unable to slash him.

That is so, yes, but is it a defense that's on all the time? Aizen was stabbed in the back by Shunsui when he didn't notice the incoming attack (kinda arguable since we don't know when he was using illusions but nobody else fighting found it weird) and Aizen has a higher Reiatsu then Shunsui.

And Yhwach's Reiatsu isn't necessarily on planet-busting levels. He was planning on remaking the multiple spiritual realms in Bleach but I just don't see that translating to having the power to destroy a planet from Reaitsu alone. Isn't it more connected with his nature as the Soul King being the one underpinning the flow of souls coming in and out of Soul Society? If Ichigo has power comparable to Yhwach, does that mean he could unmake and remake the spiritual realms by his Reiatsu alone?

EDIT: This has all been likely discussed to death before but I just wanted to say that I found it unconvincing that Ichigo gets planetary-level AP from being able to hurt Yhwach.

EDIT2: And I guess I'm not convinced that Yhwach's unmaking and remaking of the spiritual realms mean that his casual darkness attacks that the throws at Aizen (and Aizen's illusion of Renji & Ichigo) are planetary-level too.

 

[Omimi]

For Ichigo it's because he slashed Yhwach

but b4 upgrades Yhwach had moon lvl Durability so where did his Planet level lvl Durability come from

pls dont tell me that his Planet level lvl Durability come from assuming that he can tank his own attack

if i remember correctly we didn't accept kaguya Planet level lvl Durability for same reason but we r going to accept Yhwach Planet level lvl Durability by assuming that he can tank his own attack

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Damage3245 and Omimi seem to make sense.

 

[Js250476]

I agree with them as well

 

[Dark649]

Damage3245 and Omimi seem to make sense.

Except that Yhwach Moon level durabilty had no reason to stay there.

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

For those of you that are complaining about the planet level raitings:

1. We are not going reverse and or change the stats without a proper content revision thread and it's unlikely we will seeing how the 5-B raitings were talked about way before hand and was wildley agreed upon

2. For those of who are agruging that ichigo or aizen shouldn't scale to yhwach, they were both considered to be replacement soul kings in the newest canon novel due to the amount of reiryoku that is inside of them and in bleach the amount of reiryoku you have = AP/Durability ergo why they scale to SK Yhwach

 

[Dark649]

Agree with Quicksilver.

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

why ichigo even scale from an attack which wouldve kil him





ichigo page

Planet level (Tanked attacks from Yhwach)

when did he tank Planet level attack

r u trying to tell us that he tank this----------------->





can any 1 tell us that how it become Planet level attack------------------------------------------------------------------>


Aizen page
Planet level (Tanked Yhwach's Shadows/Darkness)

Ever heard of potency?

 

[Piercer_of_Heaven]

Well shit, this thread got a bit heated. One thing I will say about the walking days scaling is that they should go hand in hand. If one is accepted, so should the other, if one isn't accepted, neither should be accepted.

@Damage3245 Bad example. Yhwach was in the process of destroying the worlds when Ichigo killed him. He wasn't off-guard.

Yhwach is Planet level because he maintains the worlds and was going to destroy them, with his reiatsu.

@Omimi The whole Moon level statistics were just low ends, which, tbh, didn't make much sense. It was agreed to change them.

Planet level durability comes from the concept of how reiatsu works.

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Adding on to #2: Reread the Captains vs Aizen fight during the white invasion, he blantly said that "A battle between soul reapers is a battle of how much reiatsu they have"

 

[Antvasima]

I also agree with Quicksilver.

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Now, let's get back to the topic at hand....Matt and Piercer agreed we should use the modified seireitei (that was formly made by gwen) and i agree with the both of them in that regrad

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I also agree with Quicksilver.

Same, I think he explained it well.

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

So, does anyone have any objections to the seireitei calc matt and piercer favor?

 

[Antvasima]

I do not have objections.

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Ok, let's keep this train rolling, did piercer use said calc to calc gremmy's meteor?

 

[PaChi2]

Well, Im okay with the 3 days statement and the 10 days statement.

(after reading most of the posts in this thread)

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Well, Im okay with the 3 days statement and the 10 days statement.
(after reading most of the posts in this thread)

For the sake of consistency we are going head with gwens modified one and trust me i prefer the statement ones to, but it all boils down to consistency and the modified one is more correct in that regrad

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

We agreed not to use the 3 day statement.

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

We agreed not to use the 3 day statement.

yup

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Does anyone have any objections to the meteor calc piercer made? https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...each_Calc_-_Kenpachi_Slays_A_Meteor_(Revised)