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There's 2 instances for the translation.
One instance is supported
The other instance is completely stupid and unjustufied.
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One instance is supported
The other instance is completely stupid and unjustufied.
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for the final time
you literally said gravity doesnt exist
so by your logic, how can light make gravity?
im done responding to this.
make a crt if on gravity if you want
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you should know by now that the swords look like normal katanas until they activate their shikaiHow the hell do you draw this from a sword scabbard?
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We would've heard a "roar Zabimaru" or seen him brush his sword with his hand.
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Literally the same thing. Stop being difficult. Even the translator explained it you himself. You’re simply choosing to use it as some sort point against it.
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when you reach bankai you can release your shikai without calling its name, hell renji was the first guy who showed this
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iirc they can activate shikai and bankai without saying anything
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and if u read the manga or watched the anime u should know those that know bankai can summon shikai without the need to call them
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That is definitely how it works. The site translator himself comes out and says using light wouldn't be wrong since one of the words there could be interpreted as such after cross referencing it with the English translation. It does not contradict anything in the English translation. He himself says the English translation is right.
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ITS THE SAME TRANSLATION DUDE THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY TO TRANSLATE IT
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Can you show him drawing his sword? I see a pic where his sword is brought in front of the attack. The same panel contains the sound effect. The more logical interpretation would be that the sound effects accompany what's actually happening there on the same panel. That is, movement of sword, and impact of attack.
I'd still wait for a neutral party to provide the translation though.
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My issue is
it can translate as hero beam or something similar. Also as "ray" or beam, neither of which is light. Only 1 option is related to light: :light ray
hich is why i want to say IMade's version
im being told its the same.
why is it so difficult to share a basic already made translation for cross reference
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we dont see him draw it. it cuts to him already having blocked it
Arcker123
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Arc's argument is that because manga is read right to left, the metal sound came before the swoosh sound
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but you read it from right to left if I'm not mistaken so this assumption is simply false
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exactly, also cyber brought a translation site, which we both agreed that it supports arc's translation for the raws above
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it agrees with his interpretation, yes
but it doesnt confirm if he was correct on the raw text, which is why I want a second opinion
but it doesnt confirm if he was correct on the raw text, which is why I want a second opinion
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and I literally said it supports arc's on the translation of the raws above, also you can ask the site translator about the raws
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i know i said that
but the site cant rip out raw text from a scan. It cant distinguish what the text is
we need a person who can read japanese sfx
Arc's take is appreciated. i want one for more confirmation
but the site cant rip out raw text from a scan. It cant distinguish what the text is
we need a person who can read japanese sfx
Arc's take is appreciated. i want one for more confirmation
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im going to be at lunch. be back later
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Or maybe both sounds happened together because it's obviously happening very fast and the sword was still in a bit of motion at the same time the attack was blocked. If both of them are happening almost simultaneously, the placement of the sound effects won't matter much in that case. And it doesn't make logical sense to explain a sound effect using an assumption that is not accompanied by the visual. Sfx are used to go with the visuals. The whole thing puts a big question mark on it.
As far as I can see, the one supporting thing about this "beam of light" is only that it got repelled by a metallic weapon. Which could be also due to the motion of the metallic sword, and the statement would hold true even if he used his bare hands to repel it. Doesn't necessarily mean reflection. But okay, I won't argue this point.
But I will ask if there are more reliable statements describing the attack as being lightspeed? I personally don't think there is enough evidence to consider it as real light if there isn't anything else going for it.
As far as I can see, the one supporting thing about this "beam of light" is only that it got repelled by a metallic weapon. Which could be also due to the motion of the metallic sword, and the statement would hold true even if he used his bare hands to repel it. Doesn't necessarily mean reflection. But okay, I won't argue this point.
But I will ask if there are more reliable statements describing the attack as being lightspeed? I personally don't think there is enough evidence to consider it as real light if there isn't anything else going for it.
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thats a hypothetical situation that has no weigh or relevance on this thread
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It meet 2 points on the requirement list and has none of the anti feats on the list. Other attacks have been accepted with 2 points alone. You read the original thread and this was a point that was made literally all the other calc dudes and admins involved agree with it.
It’s stated to be a light ray by said user of the ability and it reflected off a non magical surface.
It’s stated to be a light ray by said user of the ability and it reflected off a non magical surface.
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The two things going for it are the potential translation for the attack to be called a beam of Light which is one possible interpretation of four
The other is stuff like Quincy arrows being called light but they don't behave like light at all
The other is stuff like Quincy arrows being called light but they don't behave like light at all
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idk where u get that this had anything to do with the attack of mask so this is irrelevant
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It not reflecting would be anti feat
Not concurrently convinced on the "let's ignore physics argument regarding that"
Not concurrently convinced on the "let's ignore physics argument regarding that"
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The first is not a valid point, the first is the reason why we need more evidence in the first place.
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Only mentioned in regards to it being brought up earlier a few times in this very CRT
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it being stated as light is evidence of it being light. The page on light feats would agree
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It’s is a valid point. You literally got the translation already. the attack is called star flash but it can also be a ray or ray of light. How is that not evidence? It literally behaves like a laser would.
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I already brought up the issue regarding that
That is one viable translation of four options, other three do not have anything directly to do with being stated to be light.
It's an attack name and mask calls out his attacks like a wrestler would.
But let's say we ignore that
May I ask why is it so difficult to provide the translation done by IMade
That is one viable translation of four options, other three do not have anything directly to do with being stated to be light.
It's an attack name and mask calls out his attacks like a wrestler would.
But let's say we ignore that
May I ask why is it so difficult to provide the translation done by IMade
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"Most lasers in fiction are not real or provable as real. Often they are supernatural in nature and do not function anywhere close to how real light should. Therefore, lasers/light beams are only accepted as real if they meet, at a minimum, a few of these criteria:"
The "statement" is literally why we have that page. And it's explained that the statement needs to be supported by few other criteria. Being called "beam of light" =/= lightspeed. I already gave several examples of such rejected examples throughout other verses.
It "possibly" satisfies one condition. And it was not literally "reflected from" the metal surface. It was "deflected by" a metallic weapon. Both are different.
The sound effect is a big question mark. Light doesn't make that kind of sound upon hitting metal.
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like it has been said multiple times already AKM the sounds are of renji drawing his sword
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- The beam refracts in a new material, such as a liquid or...
- The beam reflects off a material that it can be expected to, such as a non-magical mirror
- The beam is called lightspeed by reliable sources
- It is stated to be made of photons or light itself, again by a reliable source
- It has its origin at a realistic source of light, such as a camera
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the sound was not the beam it was renjis sword moving
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I think that what AKM is saying makes sense. I am strongly in favor of not treating the attack as lightspeed by default.
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