BLEACH LOW 2C REMOVAL

[PrinceofPein]

This thread should have been brought up after the thread cyberblader90 made.

Cyber said his should be closed I wanted to wait before but I decided to post it

the fact u keep ignoring the cosmology remains tier 2 with SK creating everything

ur denial or ignorance of it will not change that

The fact that you can't u understand

By the way, since a bunch of people both here and outside of the wiki expressed some confusion as to what exactly this thread's proposal is, I'll say this just for clarity's sake: We are not changing the actual definition of Low 2-C, just applying some stricter standards so characters have to meet the actual requirement to qualify for it, that being destroying all of spacetime, and thus the entire universe across past, present and future. So, if you destroy the universe, but there is no evidence that it was destroyed across past and future, then you are not Low 2-C.

will also not change that

Anyway I will send a message to walls of staffs for more input

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

The fact that you can't u understand

u mean u cant understand the novels or the cosmology? or the fact the cosmology is still tier 2?

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Currently the Human World is accepted as a universe which is our world. The Soul Society is accepted as a parallel universe.

The Dangai is accepted as being able to fit 2 universes within it.

The Garganta is what contains all of these universal structures and it also contains countless other dimensions that are being created by lost souls and described as endless.

This is a Low 2-C to 2-C cosmology.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Spacetime = Spacetime Continuum by the most common definition. This is all semantics, hence why it was possibly and not one or the other

 

[Loyd]

That's not what he is arguing against tho. He is arguing against Yhwach destruction of space-time, as that is not Low 2-C without further proof.

the point is if we prove soul king made a Low 2-C cosmology, Yhwach would scale cause he was gonna undo everything the sk made. again the Low 2-C ratings for bleach currently is possibly for a reason

 

[Teezar]

Plus destruction of 2 universes = 2-C right
Though I'm not knowledgeable on bleach but I heard it's consisted of 3 separate universal sized construct so destruction of this would also rant 2-C.

This downgrade might actually turn to an upgrade thread.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Plus destruction of 2 universes = 2-C right
Though I'm not knowledgeable on bleach but I heard it's consisted of 3 separate universal sized construct so destruction of this would also rant 2-C.

This downgrade might actually turn to an upgrade thread.

3 universes, Dangai which can fit 2 universes and garganta which holds every place and universe

 

[RandomGuy2345]

it's nothing too hard

Thread reaches over 200 comments.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

the point is if we prove soul king made a Low 2-C cosmology, Yhwach would scale cause he was gonna undo everything the sk made. again the Low 2-C ratings for bleach currently is possibly for a reason

That's... What I said, yes. If you can prove that, he will remain Low 2-C.

However, as it's been stated and corroborated a thousand times now, destroying spacetime is not Low 2-C if you don't prove it also affects past, present and future. And that's what is changing with this revision.

 

[LeSupremeKing1]

Read the full scan . Its clearly states all three realms would have gone and a new universe would have came to exist.

Mhm and does it say the entire timeline, past present and future would be destroyed? If it does, I have no problem at all with low 2-c bleach.

Also a new space time with its own timeline. We already seen what Dangai can do. Again cleaner was created by Soul King which messes with timeline.

I already said that the "reducing history" thing just meant the soul society was going to be forgotten/make it meaningless. It doesnt prove temporal destruction.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Plus destruction of 2 universes = 2-C right
Though I'm not knowledgeable on bleach but I heard it's consisted of 3 separate universal sized construct so destruction of this would also rant 2-C.

This downgrade might actually turn to an upgrade thread.

If it can be proven, go right ahead.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

destroying spacetime is not Low 2-C if you don't prove it also affects past, present and future

Then that needs to be reflected in the tiering system clearly, because it being implied isn’t good enough.

 

[Loyd]

That's... What I said, yes. If you can prove that, he will remain Low 2-C.

However, as it's been stated and corroborated a thousand times now, destroying spacetime is not Low 2-C if you don't prove it also affects past, present and future. And that's what is changing with this revision.

oh i didn't see that

also this thread is going so fast can someone ask who candice is?

 

[PrinceofPein]

I hope you know SK created seperate realms with each having their space time. Even space time continuum is mentioned in the series. We have seen Dangai messing up with time. Whole cosmology is created by SK. Yhwach had full power of soul king. Again Dangai is created with SK power. Yhwach had full power of Soul King. Please don't try to brush it off. You are ignoring "Dangai is a space which has layers and layers of time"

Thanks for this
Accurately every 3D space where change(time) occurs is a space-time, as time is just a unit to measure change.
Now a space-time continuum will be the continuity of a space time I.e. past, present and future of a space time.
To be low 2C you need to destroy the space time continuum in it's entirety.
Which is something bleach won't qualify for in this case

In short: Having time flow faster or slower does not mean 4D

Currently the Human World is accepted as a universe. The Soul Society is accepted as a parallel universe.

The Dangai is accepted as being able to fit 2 universes within it.

The Garganta is what contains all of these universal structures and it also contains countless other dimensions that are being created by lost souls and described as endless.

This is a Low 2-C to 2-C cosmology.

Nope
It is simple called larger space, wrap a small ball in a paper, put the paper in a box, put the box in a bigger box, put the bigger box in a more bigger box, put the box inside a room
All is still 3D just larger than the other

Spacetime = Spacetime Continuum by the most common definition. This is all semantics, hence why it was possibly and not one or the other

So, if you destroy the universe, but there is no evidence that it was destroyed across past and future, then you are not Low 2-C.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Mhm and does it say the entire timeline, past present and future would be destroyed?

not on the tier system nor the Q&A

just says affecting a space-time continuum

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[LephyrTheRevanchist]

not on the tier system nor the Q&A

just says affecting a space-time continuum

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Look the definition of time in that same site.

Edit: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/time
So uh... Yeah. Past, present, future.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Then that needs to be reflected in the tiering system clearly, because it being implied isn’t good enough.

I agree, honestly. But it seems it just we aren't understanding the page correctly.

 

[Hellscream]

????? since when is destroying time itself not 4-d

 

[LeSupremeKing1]

not on the tier system nor the Q&A

just says affecting a space-time continuum

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You know time is the past present and future right? So if someone is destroying time they are destroying the past present and future.

However if someone is stated to be able to destroy something, and there is no evidence of the destruction happening like that, then we cannot assume it was reffering to the temporal axis.

However as far as I have seen in these scans shown, the destruction is only happening in one snapshot of time.

 

[GroundX1]

Plus destruction of 2 universes = 2-C right
Though I'm not knowledgeable on bleach but I heard it's consisted of 3 separate universal sized construct so destruction of this would also rant 2-C.

This downgrade might actually turn to an upgrade thread.

It would be beautiful

 

[Lormac_CC]

People debating over tier 2. Tier 2 needs work.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Look the definition of time in that same site.

and then look at the tiering system

 

[LeSupremeKing1]

Plus destruction of 2 universes = 2-C right
Though I'm not knowledgeable on bleach but I heard it's consisted of 3 separate universal sized construct so destruction of this would also rant 2-C.

This downgrade might actually turn to an upgrade thread.

2 spatiotemporally separate universes.

Although i haven't seen anything indicating that.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Maybe someone should ask DT to comment on how much preponderance of evidence is required for Low 2-C, and what his thoughts on the use of spacetime are. His judgment is usually well accepted.

 

[Teezar]

3 universes, Dangai which can fit 2 universes and garganta which holds every place and universe

Isn't that 4? Dangai contains 2 right? So dangai plus those 2 realms = 3 universal sized construct and gargan

If it can be proven, go right ahead.

Check many DB downgrade thread it's been stated simultaneous destruction of 2 universes grants 2-C based on some mathematical blah,blah,blah.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Nope
It is simple called larger space, wrap a small ball in a paper, put the paper in a box, put the box in a bigger box, put the bigger box in a more bigger box, put the box inside a room
All is still 3D just larger than the other

What in the world are you talking about. The Human World and Soul Society are accepted as parallel universes.

The Dangai is a space separated from the main space time large enough to hold 2 universe sized structures inside of it via the movie.

Garganta contains all of this.

This was already proven in the past threads.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

and then look at the tiering system

I did. I brought it up in the first place. They are right. Spacetime destruction must refer to past, present and future entirely, as the definition of time itself states.

 

[Teezar]

2 spatiotemporally separate universes.

Although i haven't seen anything indicating that.

Aren't bleach universes separate universes?

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Aren't bleach universes separate universes?

yes

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Isn't that 4? Dangai contains 2 right? So dangai plus those 2 realms = 3 universal sized construct and gargan

Check many DB downgrade thread it's been stated simultaneous destruction of 2 universes grants 2-C based on some mathematical blah,blah,blah.

I don't care about DB (at least, for this thread ovo). You need to prove Bleach works like that. This is a revision for Bleach, not DB.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

The only thing accepted as spatiotemporally isolated is the Dangai, and nothing else.

 

[Teezar]

yes

Lol 2-C then not even a debate.

 

[Reio35]

You didn't understand a single thing I said.

The definition of a space-time continuum is the past, present, and future of a space.

I said you won't find the definition of a space-time continuum here, which is why I brought up the "infinity" example

So here in this article. It explains each reference frame in space-time is it's own space-time or timeline. It's not individual points on a timeline.

Just scroll down to where it talks about space-time and you will see it.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Maybe someone should ask DT to comment on how much preponderance of evidence is required for Low 2-C, and what his thoughts on the use of spacetime are. His judgment is usually well accepted.

I already asked him and ultima just a min ago
So let's wait

 

[Hellscream]

If you destroy time itself, then there is no "past, present or future" to begin with, as it doesn't exist.

 

[Tarang123]

I mean, by this logic we should be downgrading almost every single tier 2 verse out there. There are a few I can already think of, so there’s that. As for my thoughts on the downgrade. If the tiering system doesn’t support bleach being tier 2, then I suppose I’ll agree for now

 

[PrinceofPein]

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What in the world are you talking about. The Human World and Soul Society are accepted as parallel universes.

The Dangai is a space separated from the main space time large enough to hold 2 universe sized structures inside of it via the movie.

Garganta contains all of this.

This was already proven in the past threads.

Still does not change my box analogy

 

[LeSupremeKing1]

As far as I can see, the justification for low 2-c bleach is just assuming the temporal dimension is being destroyed, rather than actually proving it, similar to the way low 2-c advocates for dragon ball super assume time is being destroyed in B.O.G.

I'd like to see the inputs of other mods on this topic to make sure I'm right, and then ask for the changes to be applied because this entire thread very circular.
No evidence points to time being destroyed.

 

[Teezar]

I don't care about DB (at least, for this thread ovo). You need to prove Bleach works like that. This is a revision for Bleach, not DB.

You have to care lmao especially as that's the logic given to the gods 2-C rating so it would be the same to bleach.

The only thing accepted as spatiotemporally isolated is the Dangai, and nothing else.

Okay then low 2-C

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

If you destroy time itself, then there is no "past, present or future" to begin with, as it doesn't exist.

That would be 4-D, correct. If you can prove it affected time in its entirety.