BLEACH LOW 2C REMOVAL

[PrinceofPein]

I was planning a long post before but I realize it is not needed as this is actually pretty straightforward, on the bleach God tiers profiles we have this:

At least 3-A, possibly Low 2-C

The thing is the current low 2c standard requires you to affect time also i.e. Past, present and future, to qualify for low 2c, which there is no instance of such in bleach, so the low 2c should be removed from their profiles and the rating should just be

At least 3-A, possibly High 3-A

This should be civil, it's nothing too hard

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

Past, present and future

Where is this stated?

 

[Hasty12345]

I 100% agree with the downgrade. Unless someone can provide evidence for the entirety of a spacetime continuum to be affected via feats and/or statements
, the low 2-C has no basis.

 

[Reio35]

It's already proven it was a space-time.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Dangai separated from spacetime, so, destroying the whole structure of bleachverse would be tier 2, there has more scans regarding it from the novels iirc, but I don't have it here

 

[StrymULTRA]

There's a reason why it's "possibly" tho.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Where is this stated?

The new standard for low 2C

It's already proven it was a space-time.

Every universe is a space time, destroying them does not grant low 2c, you need to affect the entirety of time

Dangai separated from spacetime, so, destroying the whole structure of bleachverse would be tier 2, there has more scans regarding it from the novels iirc, but I don't have it here

This is not low 2c well at least not anymore it is just high 3A, you need to affect time to be low 2c

 

[Bernkastelll]

This is not low 2c well at least not anymore it is just high 3A, you need to affect time to be low 2c

it is Low 2-C, as it is separated from space-time, making the realms at least separated by a Low 2-C structure, and a Space-Time is a 4-D structure, so, Low 2-C

and if a character can nuke the whole structure, tier 2 he is

and words like Space-Time also were mentioned before

 

[StrymULTRA]

You do know that HA DIO is "Possibly Low 2-C" for this reason, right? Plus what is stated before.

Tho Reio should be 2-C.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

I have no business being here but, affecting time would not make them high 3-A either, it's only 3-A. You need to affect the whole timeline to be low 2-C, so a destroy the universe with time included would qualify.

 

[PrinceofPein]

it is Low 2-C, as it is separated from space-time, making the realms at least separated by a Low 2-C structure, and a Space-Time is a 4-D structure, so, Low 2-C

Dangai is the boundary that separates the 3 worlds and does it's obviously operates differently from the said worlds,
And this is not addressing my point, every universe is a low 2c structure by default, and destroying one can either be 3A or low2c depending if time was destroyed, in this context time was not destroyed or going to be destroyed.
And destruction of just space is 3A, you need to be destroying timelines to qualify for low 2c

and if a character can nuke the whole structure, tier 2 he is

Nope just high 3A as the structure is infinitely larger than a universal structure but times was not been affected or destroyed

and words like Space-Time also were mentioned before

Yes and how is this relevant to what is been said here?

 

[Bernkastelll]

Dangai is the boundary that separates the 3 worlds and does it's obviously operates differently from the said worlds,

Yeah? Obviously, as it separates SS and World of Living

And this is not addressing my point, every universe is a low 2c structure by default, and destroying one can either be 3A or low2c depending if time was destroyed, in this context time was not destroyed or going to be destroyed.
And destruction of just space is 3A, you need to be destroying timelines to qualify for low 2c

What? if the structures are separated by space-time, then it has a Low 2-C structure envolved there, and Bleach characters can nuke it

Nope just high 3A as the structure is infinitely larger than a universal structure but times was not been affected or destroyed

it is separated by spacetime, so, if someone can destroy all the structures in the verse, they will need to also bypass and destroy the Low 2-C structure, as Dangai is separated by space and time

Yes and how is this relevant to what is been said here?

Because bleach aknowledge that the structures have space-time, as shown in that scan, as shown in how Dangai is separated

 

[Reio35]

Destroying space-time on a universal scale is low 2C. It's already excepted that yhwach was destroying the dimension or space-time of ss and the wol.

Yhwach merging and destroying all dimensions.

Senna stopping 2 dimensions from colliding and being completely destroyed. Which are space-times.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Yeah? Obviously, as it separates SS and World of Living

What? if the structures are separated by space-time, then it has a Low 2-C structure envolved there, and Bleach characters can nuke it

it is separated by spacetime, so, if someone can destroy all the structures in the verse, they will need to also bypass and destroy the Low 2-C structure, as Dangai is separated by space and time

Because bleach aknowledge that the structures have space-time, as shown in that scan, as shown in how Dangai is separated

Destroying space-time on a universal scale is low 2C. It's already excepted that yhwach was destroying the dimension or space-time of ss and the wol.

Yhwach merging and destroying all dimensions.

Senna stopping 2 dimensions from colliding and being completely destroyed. Which are space-times.

Every dimension or universe that time flows is a space-time, but destroying the said dimensions or universe does not.mean you are destroying the timeline
And what I am saying is there is no proof or statement that yhwach was destroying or affecting the timelines, so it is not a low 2c feat

 

[Teezar]

Yeah? Obviously, as it separates SS and World of Living

What? if the structures are separated by space-time, then it has a Low 2-C structure envolved there, and Bleach characters can nuke it

it is separated by spacetime, so, if someone can destroy all the structures in the verse, they will need to also bypass and destroy the Low 2-C structure, as Dangai is separated by space and time

Because bleach aknowledge that the structures have space-time, as shown in that scan, as shown in how Dangai is separated

I agree with bern and when's @Arc7Kuroi when you need him.

 

[Kingcrim212]

Every dimension or universe that time flows is a space-time, but destroying the said dimensions or universe does not.mean you are destroying the timeline
And what I am saying is there is no proof or statement that yhwach was destroying or affecting the timelines, so it is not a low 2c feat

Lowkey don't mean to sound like a dick. Literally everyone is ******* tired of bleach crt's. It would be wise to revisit this when people aren't burnt out from talking in them. The staff are tired. People are busy with college. And people in general are just worn out. So if you keep this thread open. Expect not too many people to be in here.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Every dimension or universe that time flows is a space-time, but destroying the said dimensions or universe does not.mean you are destroying the timeline
And what I am saying is there is no proof or statement that yhwach was destroying or affecting the timelines, so it is not a low 2c feat

thats a burden of proof to your case

 

[PrinceofPein]

Lowkey don't mean to sound like a dick. Literally everyone is ******* tired of bleach crt's. It would be wise to revisit this when people aren't burnt out from talking in them. The staff are tired. People are busy with college. And people in general are just worn out. So if you keep this thread open. Expect not too many people to be in here.

Lowkey don't mean to also sound like a dick, but if you have nothing to contribute please don't say anything, this is a simple crt the new standards requires you to affect past, present and future to be low 2c, and it's simple, did yhwach ever do that? Yes he did, please show proof
That's all

thats a burden of proof to your case

How can you ask me to proof he was affecting the timelines when you are the one claiming he did?
Or how tf would I proof a negative, you are the one making the claims please provide the proof

 

[Lormac_CC]

I am more knowledgeable on tier 1 than 2, but if something is a space time of universal size, it is usually taken as low, but then it all still fall to the wiki standards, I have seen dimensions that are space time that aren't taken as low 2-C

 

[Bernkastelll]

How can you ask me to proof he was affecting the timelines when you are the one claiming he did?
Or how tf would I proof a negative, you are the one making the claims please provide the proof

Because they are several universal sized dimensions separated by space time, and they can nuke it as a whole, u need to prove otherwise

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Finally, Bleach at Low 2-C is just absurd. I'm fine with the downgrade

count me as a vote

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Where is the thread?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Dangai is the boundary that separates the 3 worlds and does it's obviously operates differently from the said worlds,
And this is not addressing my point, every universe is a low 2c structure by default, and destroying one can either be 3A or low2c depending if time was destroyed, in this context time was not destroyed or going to be destroyed.
And destruction of just space is 3A, you need to be destroying timelines to qualify for low 2c

Nope just high 3A as the structure is infinitely larger than a universal structure but times was not been affected or destroyed

Yes and how is this relevant to what is been said here?

Did you just said Dangai is the boundary seperating 3 worlds. Bro did you seriously read bleach or checked the cosmology before making a downgrade thread.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

@Pain_to12 You got a link to the thread where the standards were changed?

 

[Bernkastelll]

Which standards btw? I literally saw nothing suggesting it

 

[Lormac_CC]

Destruction of past, present and future has always been a thing. I don't know if it was changed

By the way, since a bunch of people both here and outside of the wiki expressed some confusion as to what exactly this thread's proposal is, I'll say this just for clarity's sake: We are not changing the actual definition of Low 2-C, just applying some stricter standards so characters have to meet the actual requirement to qualify for it, that being destroying all of spacetime, and thus the entire universe across past, present and future. So, if you destroy the universe, but there is no evidence that it was destroyed across past and future, then you are not Low 2-C.

This is from Ultima earlier this year

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Destruction of past, present and future has always been a thing. I don't know if it was changed

By the way, since a bunch of people both here and outside of the wiki expressed some confusion as to what exactly this thread's proposal is, I'll say this just for clarity's sake: We are not changing the actual definition of Low 2-C, just applying some stricter standards so characters have to meet the actual requirement to qualify for it, that being destroying all of spacetime, and thus the entire universe across past, present and future. So, if you destroy the universe, but there is no evidence that it was destroyed across past and future, then you are not Low 2-C.

This is from Ultima earlier this year

OK, Pain said that time wasn't stated to be destroyed, so then his point stands.

 

[Bernkastelll]

OK, Pain said that time wasn't stated to be destroyed, so then his point stands.

the structure clearly is a space-time, how are you destroying the space-time but not destroying the universe + time?

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

the structure clearly is a space-time, how are you destroying the space-time but not destroying the universe + time?

Becouse there is the possibility of only destroying the physical thing, But not the space-time, unless there is explicit truth, this feat is 3-A at most.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Okay so the fact that Yhwach is destroying the space time means that he qualifies.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Because they are several universal sized dimensions separated by space time, and they can nuke it as a whole, u need to prove otherwise

Everything is a space time, dimensions and universes as long as there is a space and there is change there is a space-time, but nuking the universe does not mean I destroyed the timeline of the said universe, that's what I am saying
He can evidently destroy the universe but not the timelines

the structure clearly is a space-time, how are you destroying the space-time but not destroying the universe + time?

All universes is a space time but destroying a universe does not mean you destroyed it in the past and also the future

Okay so the fact that Yhwach is destroying the space time means that he qualifies.

so characters have to meet the actual requirement to qualify for it, that being destroying all of spacetime, and thus the entire universe across past, present and future. So, if you destroy the universe, but there is no evidence that it was destroyed across past and future, then you are not Low 2-C.

No it does not qualify

 

[Luziifero]

Becouse there is the possibility of only destroying the physical thing, But not the space-time, unless there is explicit truth, this feat is 3-A at most.

there is no "possibility" of destroying something that's SPACE-TIME without destroying both. that's equivalent of saying you can destroy a planet but not the atmosphere around it

 

[Tyri456]

The dangai is in between and you have to destroy time to destroy it, so Yhwach was indeed affecting time in his destruction, given it is never said that he wasn’t specifically destroying space time, I don’t see anything wrong with a possibility in his rating, it is not even a flat out low2c.

 

[PrinceofPein]

so Yhwach was indeed affecting time in his destruction

Lol, please do provide proof

 

[Lormac_CC]

This is my stand

Affecting time would not make them high 3-A either, it's only 3-A. You need to affect the whole timeline to be low 2-C, so a destroy the universe with time included would qualify

 

[Lormac_CC]

But to be honest tier 2 on this wiki needs rework. Yuri made a proposal and I am still waiting for that thread to be opened

 

[PrinceofPein]

But to be honest tier 2 on this wiki needs rework. Yuri made a proposal and I am still waiting for that thread to be opened

Doubt that is going anywhere, although I agree with him, affecting time is unquantifiably higher than just affecting space

 

[Bernkastelll]

Doubt that is going anywhere, although I agree with him, affecting time is unquantifiably higher than just affecting space

it is not, both are meaningless without context of how each one interacts in the verse

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

This is my stand

Affecting time would not make them high 3-A either, it's only 3-A. You need to affect the whole timeline to be low 2-C, so a destroy the universe with time included would qualify

That sounds familiar.

 

[Nierre]

Arc's pretty busy with school I'm pretty sure, and he said he won't be available to do any extensive work on any Bleach CRTs until sometime in December.