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Dont we already have 3 threads open?
Gran Rey cero, light speed mask, and the Aizen kyoka suigetsu crt
Gran Rey cero, light speed mask, and the Aizen kyoka suigetsu crt
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I don't see you that way but your identity thoit's misleading.It's so hard to be that loved
despite that there has users who falsely acused me of being a sock puppet and tried to ban me unfairly lol
Is that Aizen one even active? I thought that was over weeks ago.Dont we already have 3 threads open?
Gran Rey cero, light speed mask, and the Aizen kyoka suigetsu crt
In conclusion, we do not favor either side and move on to the next discussion.The passage from the novels says "There are many zanpakuto powers that increase in ability according to the spiritual pressure of its user."
Not "all zanpakuto abilities."
It is noted in the light novel some of the abilities that Tokinada uses which are increased, and some of them which are decreased. The safest amount of assumptions involved is that we don't assume there is a change for an ability if it has not been confirmed for us.
Especially since Tokinada also uses multiple abilities at the same time which decreases his effectiveness with each of them; meaning just as it is possible that Shinso could get a buff, it could also get a debuff when he's using it.
Yeah, the inaccurate ratings should be replaced with these informations from novelsBut I personally believe that there are inconsistencies between our ratings on the profiles, some of the justifications that are there currently, and the new information from the novel.
Ahh okthere was going to be a light speed crt in general right after
Doesn’t the manga take precedence over the novels? There’s a lot more in the manga pointing at faster speed than the novelsYeah, the inaccurate ratings should be replaced with these informations from novels
No, quite the opposite.Honestly, if the Mask calc gets accepted doesn’t that defeat the entire purpose of this thread? Kinda feels completely unnecessary to make a speed thread when we currently have another being discussed Damage
Doesn’t the manga take precedence over the novels? There’s a lot more in the manga pointing at faster speed than the novels
I’ll get more to it later, but the Gin point is automatically invalid since Tokinada can only copy Shikai abilities. Unless you can prove he can copy bankai abilities that point is mootNo, quite the opposite.
Yes, but context is important.
Two pieces of evidence contradicting each other aren't judged for their accuracy solely on which piece of medium they come from. The reliability and consistency of the evidence are both relevant as well.
A generic question like that is difficult to give an accurate answer to; you have to know the details around why the feats are the way they are, why certain feats are outliers and some aren't, any why the anti-feats are anti-feats.If we have 4 feats/outliers, 2 anti-feats, which takes priority for scaling?
The problem is some of your points are inaccurate. Like the Gin and one of the Candice points I’m gonna check for more thoughA generic question like that is difficult to give an accurate answer to; you have to know the details around why the feats are the way they are, why certain feats are outliers and some aren't, any why the anti-feats are anti-feats.
But I'll get into my proposals in detail when I have time tomorrow. The initial purpose of this thread was to make people aware of the existence of these statements, whether or not you agree with them.
The speed of his "sword" only but databook backs up what he told Ichigo to be the truth. He lied to Aizen.Also, as always have to point out, the speed of guns swords is unreliable as he himself states that the speed he gave was fake
Candice di-What's wrong with Candice?
I think it’s the fact that several people I guess barely reacted to her lightning and the fact that she turns into lightning in the manga to dodge Kenpachi’s swing. The problem is though she only did that against Kenpachi so Damage is proposing her normal speed wasn’t enough to dodge him yet she never once did it again in the manga or novels even against faster opponents.What's wrong with Candice?
Yes and also the soul king things going down and attacking soul society.it’d give like MHS+ results even lowballing everything to the extreme. I’ve brought it up before and it would scale to a lot of people given Ikkaku was able to react to and fight themspeaking of, dont we need to recalc mimihagi's flight, liotto dodging the Auswählen, etc
That’s true too. Also Fullbring Zanpakuto Ichigo’s speed need to be changed to MHS+, Sub Realistic with bankai based on him at least scaling to his FKT selfSo Ginjo can barely dodge lightning arrows slower than lightning yet he was completely fine against Ichigo who scales way above that 2 arcs prior.
There is a reason a lot of these lightning things weren't ever taken seriously at all.
Ahaha gotemCandice di-
In addition to speed feats, are you going to make a CRT for AP and hax feats for non-God level characters to add to their profiles?I'd like to point something out if I may, and forgive me if it just seems like I'm talking about the obvious but it needs to be said.
Fan-made calculations are not objective facts; quite often to make them work we need to make assumptions (reasonable assumption most of the time, I would hope) and depending on how certain scaling, certain perspectives are used, different results can be achieved by many people quite easily. There's a reason why even a single feat can have multiple calcs and re-calcs made by many different people over the years and not all of them are necessarily wrong just because a new one gets made. A calc can be perfectly, mathematically correct, and still not be the "right" result.
If a fan-made calculation used some figures, some assumptions and some angsizing and detirmined that the size of the Toriko Earth was 800,000 km in circumference then even though that calculation could be mathematically correct it would still likely not be accepted because the Toriko Earth has been stated consistently to be 220,000 km in circumference.
Like the recent threads on the Seireitei showed as well; there are multiple different ways of getting different sizes for the Seireitei but a method was picked that relied on a single, uncontradicted statement from a character which was then supported by other information from the novels that showed it to be reasonable.
So if your gut reaction to this thread is, "There's no way any of this can be taken seriously, because we have a character who scales to another character, who scales to another character, who scales to fan-made calculation that puts him at Relativistic speeds..." then all I'll say is that while in a sense that can be corrrect, that doesn't make it objectively correct. That calculation could be wrong. Our scaling could be inaccurate.
I'm not going to pretend I know the "objectively correct" figures for Bleach's statistics, because I'm just trying to take in all of the different pieces of information across a very lengthy manga and some lengthy sequel novels, and process them in a way that makes the most sense to me personally. I'm in the process of having to re-organize the OP because some of the information in there has been pointed out to be misinterpreted by me.
I'm not calling anyone a liar for believing Bleach to have "faster than light" statistics or that they're objectively incorrect for looking at things from a different perspective. I'm just trying to show how I think the information comes together to produce a different result than what you might think it is.
I believe a lot of that from the novels has already been added to the character's profiles, but I will be going through the novels at my own pace to see if I can find anything that has been missed off the profiles until now.In addition to speed feats, are you going to make a CRT for AP and hax feats for non-God level characters to add to their profiles?
Well putI'd like to point something out if I may, and forgive me if it just seems like I'm talking about the obvious but it needs to be said.
Fan-made calculations are not objective facts; quite often to make them work we need to make assumptions (reasonable assumption most of the time, I would hope) and depending on how certain scaling, certain perspectives are used, different results can be achieved by many people quite easily. There's a reason why even a single feat can have multiple calcs and re-calcs made by many different people over the years and not all of them are necessarily wrong just because a new one gets made. A calc can be perfectly, mathematically correct, and still not be the "right" result.
If a fan-made calculation used some figures, some assumptions and some angsizing and detirmined that the size of the Toriko Earth was 800,000 km in circumference then even though that calculation could be mathematically correct it would still likely not be accepted because the Toriko Earth has been stated consistently to be 220,000 km in circumference.
Like the recent threads on the Seireitei showed as well; there are multiple different ways of getting different sizes for the Seireitei but a method was picked that relied on a single, uncontradicted statement from a character which was then supported by other information from the novels that showed it to be reasonable.
So if your gut reaction to this thread is, "There's no way any of this can be taken seriously, because we have a character who scales to another character, who scales to another character, who scales to fan-made calculation that puts him at Relativistic speeds..." then all I'll say is that while in a sense that can be corrrect, that doesn't make it objectively correct. That calculation could be wrong. Our scaling could be inaccurate.
I'm not going to pretend I know the "objectively correct" figures for Bleach's statistics, because I'm just trying to take in all of the different pieces of information across a very lengthy manga and some lengthy sequel novels, and process them in a way that makes the most sense to me personally. I'm in the process of having to re-organize the OP because some of the information in there has been pointed out to be misinterpreted by me.
I'm not calling anyone a liar for believing Bleach to have "faster than light" statistics or that they're objectively incorrect for looking at things from a different perspective. I'm just trying to show how I think the information comes together to produce a different result than what you might think it is.
We don't scale any other series this way.
This would effect the entire verse. If they cap out at lightning speed at the literal end of the series.