Bleach: God Tier ability Upgrades.

[UchihaSlayer96]

What is it with today and people being Mrks about hax abilities? Smh

Anyway, I agree with this. I'll wait for Deceived's post, but this is a sort of tentative agreement.

 

[KingNanaya]

You're saying that to someone who has seen many instances like this, lol.

I'm just telling you that ain't how things work

Also, I'm more convinced of my argument

of course you are, it's your argument

 

[Worthless]

I'm just telling you that ain't how things work.

I spent most of my free time reading novels back then, and I've come across numerous characters who resist power, like reality warping, simply by being God-tier. I don't mean physically God-tier, though.

of course you are, it's your argument

Then care to explain this If Reio's resistance to causality stems from existing prior to the universe, then why does future seeing work on Ichibei despite both being the same according to that Arcker boy

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

that Arcker boy

 

[Aernasilver]

Is bruh really saying because they are a God Tier they resist all haxs?

Brb upgrading Ichigo to resist everything in Bleach.

 

[KingNanaya]

I spent most of my free time reading novels back then, and I've come across numerous characters who resist power, like reality warping, simply by being God-tier. I don't mean physically God-tier, though.

this ain't them. and that isn't how things work on this website.

Then care to explain this If Reio's resistance to causality stems from existing prior to the universe, then why does future seeing work on Ichibei despite both being the same according to that Arcker boy

I only agreed with Yhwach and Reio having it. didn't see the post about Ichibei, so no, I won't be arguing on that.

 

[Worthless]

I'm not really surprised that you people don't get what I mean. Lol.

 

[Worthless]

I only agreed with Yhwach and Reio having it. didn't see the post about Ichibei, so no, I won't be arguing on that.

Alright, but the reasoning that they exists prior to the universe has to be removed if what Arcker said is really true. Anyway this is really last I'll just wait for his full explanation.

 

[LordGinSama]

I'm not really surprised that you people don't get what I mean. Lol.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

You people is crazy

 

[Deceived3596]

I come back to pure goonery.

 

[KingNanaya]

I come back to pure goonery.

it's what we do best

 

[Aernasilver]

It wouldn't be a HST thread without it.

 

[Arcker123]

Maybe it's a good thing Vs wiki has rules against slurs

Because it is. You assume the causality back then was different based on a baseless argument, then bring up resistance to causality, which can be easily explained by being a God tier.

Uh no...

I've given reasoning as to why the soul king existing outside of progress and stagnation would be acausality type 4 for several reasons, which you haven't even bothered to respond to.

Also, I'm more convinced of my argument after seeing a scan in which future seeing works on Ichibei and yet not on Reio, despite both supposedly existing prior to the universe, according to that Acker person.

Ichibe doesn't have all of the statements Reio does, so this can be explained by that.

 

[Worthless]

Maybe it's a good thing Vs wiki has rules against slurs

Uh no...

I've given reasoning as to why the soul king existing outside of progress and stagnation would be acausality type 4 for several reasons, which you haven't even bothered to respond to.

What reasoning supports the idea that existing outside of progress and stagnation implies Acausality? You haven't provided much explanation..

Ichibe doesn't have all of the statements Reio does, so this can be explained by that.

Yet you assert his existence predates the universe, an era supposedly characterized by different causality. The more I delve into this, the more I disagree. The OP lacks concrete evidence supporting the idea that causality operates differently in that era. Furthermore, there is no statement supporting the resistance to causality arises from existing prior to the universe. All is just a bunch of assumption.

 

[MeidoIzayoi]

existing outside of progress

isn't this what Irregular Causality is? or simply type 4 Acausality

 

[KingNanaya]

isn't this what Irregular Causality is? or simply type 4 Acausality

yes

 

[Mamaroza]

Forgot the lich they got Acausality due to it

But it's true that existing before time doesn't mean Acausality type 4 or you can resist time manipulation

Lol,The Lich exists not only before time, but before nothingness, before uncertainty, so he exists in a Irregular cause and effect system.

 

[Mamaroza]

I agree

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

Absolutely I agree

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

Btw but could there be any additions for the Soul king's organs?

 

[Mamaroza]

For starters, The Soul King was born before creation of the 3 realms where the entire state of the cosmology was ambiguous and very different than the current state of the universe. Everything back in the time of the Soul King was completely different than what it is today, with concepts such as life and death not being created yet and stagnation and progression flickered and and forth, with it also being directly stated that The Soul King transcended everything.

This also Acausality type 1 feat.since he existed before time, should not be affected by changes in time and the past. Characters from Adventure time such as the Lich, Abadeer, Orgalorg have Acausality type 1 for the same reason

 

[Mamaroza]

Btw but could there be any additions for the Spirit king's organs?

gremmy aca 4

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

Gremmy aca 4

Agree

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Wank

Jokes aside Good work. I agree with this.
Ichibē should likely get Acausality type 4 NGL.

 

[Excellence616]

I agree with OP

 

[CloverDragon03]

I'm getting an Error 502 when clicking on the OP's first link

 

[Deceived3596]

I'm getting an Error 502 when clicking on the OP's first link

Here is what the first link links to.

 

[AppleLord]

At that point, the Osho cast his eyes down and returned to his telling. “However, the Tsunayashiro ancestor doubted even the Reio’s nonresistance. He was most frightened of the Reio using his powers to escape the seal and destroy them. And so, without letting the Reio live or die, they tossed him into a contradictory spiral of simultaneous, continuous life and death. They even tore away his right and left arms that ruled ‘stillness’ and ‘advancement.’” Vol III

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

They even tore away his right and left arms that ruled ‘stillness’ and ‘advancement.

This sentence can be quite useful for SK

 

[Valeska24]

I agree with this

 

[TokiNoOuja]

Which can also be interpreted as resistance. It would be cool if you could drop the link tho. Further more, it seems to confirm my thought about the feat shown in the OP being akin to the idea of "I'm a GOD, a powerful being, so human-level power wouldn't affect me." Because why would the OP assume transcending everything in the context means surpassing even fate and causality, when it could simply imply being a very powerful being who could split the universe?

I could probably give a lot of examples, but it's been a while since the last time I read any novels. I've seen many novels in which a GOD is said to transcend everything, and thus, even powers like time manipulation wouldn't work on them. However, not once have I seen other fans claim it means he transcends time itself.

U having a point' there

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I didn't know that existing before the Universe caused type 4 causality

Type 4: Irregular Causality: Characters with this type of Acausality operate on a different and irregular system of cause and effect than regular causality. This grants them resistance to abilities such as Causality Manipulation, Fate Manipulation, and Precognition, among others.

It's kind of weird to know how this works, but it's actually true, so I agree.

Although people could put examples on the pages to make it much easier to explain.

 

[Hellscream]

It's not only because he existed before all of creation

 

[Lynieryz]

Honestly, why is this even a discussion? The original world existed before the concept of CHANGE existed, from then on only two options are viable:

1; Causality was a different system because the concept of CHANGE literally did not exist.

2; Causality as a whole literally did not exist because causality without change is literally contradictory to the very concept of causality.

 

[KingNanaya]

Lowkey, you could argue for type 5

 

[Reio35]

What reasoning supports the idea that existing outside of progress and stagnation implies Acausality? You haven't provided much explanation..

Yet you assert his existence predates the universe, an era supposedly characterized by different causality. The more I delve into this, the more I disagree. The OP lacks concrete evidence supporting the idea that causality operates differently in that era. Furthermore, there is no statement supporting the resistance to causality arises from existing prior to the universe. All is just a bunch of assumption.

Hisgai's bankai which is mirror of the original universe. Altered causality reverting events that occur to it's original state. Essentially keeping people from dieing or being affected by abilites. This also applies to matter as well.

Soul King is stated to have transcended this world and was not affected by it's laws. He also created the dangai and the soul society which also run on different logic compared to the wol

Orhime's hax didn't work on reio because he's unbound by causality. The reio is dead and has no way of resisting her powers. We even see her powers work on ichigo who outscales that version of reio so it's nothing to do with power.

 

[Rutæhh]

Lowkey, you could argue for type 5

W wank

 

[Worthless]

Hisgai's bankai which is mirror of the original universe. Altered causality reverting events that occur to it's original state. Essentially keeping people from dieing or being affected by abilites. This also applies to matter as well.

Soul King is stated to have transcended this world and was not affected by it's laws. He also created the dangai and the soul society which also run on different logic compared to the wol

Orhime's hax didn't work on reio because he's unbound by causality. The reio is dead and has no way of resisting her powers. We even see her powers work on ichigo who outscales that version of reio so it's nothing to do with power.

I don't really see much in your scans that matches half of the statement you've made. Different logic doesn't necessarily imply different causality. It's pretty common for different spaces to have their own rules/logic, space, and time, and that doesn't necessarily mean causality is also different unless explicitly stated. If what you said about the body in that crystal is entirely empty, devoid of any power, then I fail to see the reason it should be used to justify Ichigo's AP.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

I don't really see much in your scans that matches half of the statement you've made. Different logic doesn't necessarily imply different causality. It's pretty common for different spaces to have their own rules/logic, space, and time, and that doesn't necessarily mean causality is also different unless explicitly stated. If what you said about the body in that crystal is entirely empty, devoid of any power, then I fail to see the reason it should be used to justify Ichigo's AP.

the body itself does have reiatsu as it is his energy that keeps the 3 realms standing, ichigo in shikai is above him and orihime can heal him, but cannot heal the reio.