BlazBlue Upgrades

[Zeldasmash]

This was being discussed in this thread: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/455742#104

Ragna gets a new key category Post-Central Fiction that bumps him up to at least Low 2-C due to the feat he did at the ending of Central Fiction.

The Requiem is at least Low 2-C due to being made to replace the Master Unit with it's reality warping power and potential destructive capabilities to destroy an entire dimension.

The Black Beast is at least 5-A, potentially higher, going by multiple claims from some of the most important characters in the game that it has the capacity to destroy multiple worlds. This would also bump other characters like Hakumen, Mu, Terumi/Susano'o, Ragna using the Black Beast's power, Azrael, Izanami ect, to be bumped up to this level.

Due to the Black Beast getting a buff, the Mikazuchi also levels up, buffing up characters like Jin, Base Noel, Kagura and Izayoi.

Due to the Murakumo's functionality to move around the Boundary as part of their design and characters like Terumi being able to move around in the Boundary, the characters are likely to have Infinite speeds.

What do you guys think of this?

 

[Antvasima]

I suppose that most of this seems reasonable, but why should Ragna be Low 2-C?

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

iirc Ragna at the end of CF created a world where even master unit: Amateratsu is unable to intervene but idk other than that

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[Zeldasmash]

Should we wait for more people before the upgrades go under way?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Wouldn't this be similar to Medaka creating a universe and how it did not scale to durability?

 

[Drellix]

I agree with this upgrade.

 

[Dark649]

This is reasonable, but it is more preferable to have the actual images/videos for further confirmation.

 

[Zeldasmash]

Terumi's Act 3 in the Boundary: [1]

Ragna's Centralfiction status explaining what he did in the ending: [2]

The Murakumo's origins as Prime Field Devices and their functions: [3]

The Requiem: [4]

 

[Brunout]

About Ragna creating a world where not even M.Unit could intervene:

http://imgur.com/eegasRV

http://imgur.com/A3t9UOH

http://imgur.com/tiwo9mo

About the Requiem being able to re-place M.unit and having enough DC to destroy a entire dimension:

http://imgur.com/a/gO8kT

http://imgur.com/a/pew52

http://imgur.com/a/lq0Dp

http://imgur.com/9vjthjj

http://imgur.com/6De6vsJ

Terumi and Nine saying that the black beast already destroyed other worlds:

http://imgur.com/a/ykzJJ

http://imgur.com/a/Xic8F

Prime Field Devices being able to travel inside the boundary:

http://imgur.com/a/s90Tb

http://imgur.com/a/PYfYV

 

[Zeldasmash]

.........or ^ that one. XD

 

[Dark649]

Thanks, i think this more than enough.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Well now Ragna has finally sort of surpassed Sol....Sort of.

 

[The_Everlasting]

"Due to the Murakumo's functionality to move around the Boundary as part of their design and characters like Terumi being able to move around in the Boundary, the characters are likely to have Infinite speeds."

Wasn't that agreed to be an outlier on another thread?

 

[Drellix]

It was but honestly, there's no reason to assume it's a outlier if the Murakumo units were specifically made to do this. Earlier, it was only the fact that Terumi and Ragna that were in the Boundry that made that argument. Now there is more evidence proving Infinite Speed.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

So is Ragna like full-on Low 2-C? As in, his dura is also scaled is this like the case with Medaka as what Dragon was trying to ask here earlier?

I guess speed boost to Infinite is fine.

The AP and Dura boost is okay too. Though does that only apply to them when they're at their most powerful or something (or as in, those that are Tier 5 like Ragna using BB's powers of Hakumen at 100% power and of others that scale to them)? I'm actually confused about this one.

 

[XXBeerusTheDestroyerXx]

It applies to some others too, notably those that are on the same level as Take Mikazuchi, or at least near the same level. So technically some of their base forms would get buffed too.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Alright hang on....so even those that are scaled to Take-Mikazuchi are gonna be scaled to those that are....scaled to BB...so like we're seeing a bunch of potential 5-A's is what's being said here right?

 

[Brunout]

Yep.


The Take-Mikazuchi managed to open a huge hole in the Black Beast during the Dark War, and made her run away.

Not to mention that it could harm M.Unit itself.

Those who are stronger or at the same level as take-mikazuchi should be scaled to 5-A as well

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Also my first question was never answered. This seems like a Medaka situation in which Ragna may be a glass cannon. And nit casually Low 2-C. He may be Low 2-C with that skill alone. See what I mean? Has he taken a Low 2-C attack before?

 

[Zeldasmash]

Not every character is 5-A. There are some clear exceptions to this: Litchi, Carl, Bullet, Taokaka, Bang, Platinum, Hibiki, Mai, Base Tsubaki, Arakune and Makoto are no where near that level of strong (Makoto might but that's tricky but even then she isn't 5-A, she'd at most be around 6-B)

He has survived Amaterasu's reality warping before as well as Takamagahara's, but his durability should be around the same as Amaterasu's as he is basically abstract by the end.

 

[Brunout]

Low 2-C via HAX

His dura should be at least 5-A to potentially higher. 'Cause if I'm not mistaken, Master Unit would not be destroyed by the explosion of Requiem, which was going to destroy the universe. And Rags with the true Azure surpasses her in every sense. But I'm not sure if she could really survive that explosion

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

So ragna is Low 2-C via hax?

 

[Zeldasmash]

Yes.

 

[Zeldasmash]

Is it OK to start the edits?

 

[MagiSinbad]

I actually have read all of you guy's discussio . That's enough to say that i'm perfectly okay with this

However, in order to avoid the confusion about BlazBlue's infinite speed (Yes, There will be ALOT of confusion) i think you should gather scans about The Boundary is a location devoid of time and and detail explaination why the characters are scaled through this

Okay, now for the question : Is Ragna really only Low 2-C through hax ? because after take a look at the other Low 2-C characters profiles and read entire discussion. It's seem like Ragna after stepping outside the door became an transcendence being that above both Master Unit and the other characters

 

[Zeldasmash]

The Boundary: [1]

 

[MagiSinbad]

Erm... i mean you have to gathering scans ^__^" Adding a link to the BlazBlue wikia like that wont be convinced enough.

 

[Brunout]

I have it:

http://imgur.com/a/266w6

http://imgur.com/a/SvHNL

 

[MagiSinbad]

Alright :3 wish you guy good luck with the upgrade

But i think you should ask the other admins about their opinion on this thread o3o that will help you guy get more argreement or disargreement from the admin

EDIT : Also, what about my question ?

 

[Zeldasmash]

Are you saying Ragna should be higher then Low 2-C?

 

[Shadowedge27]

I think he/she means would Ragna's durability and everything also gets increased seeing that he is superior to Ameteratsu. Also, I dont know how this helps but an aquantance told me that a FRAGMENT of the Black Beast fought the Take Mikazuchi one on one. More unbelievable is that it took multiple DIRECT hits from the Nox's lasers before engaging it in melee in which the fragment emerged victorios. So if a piece of the black beast is more powerful than Take-Mikazuchi. Keep in mind that the fragments power varies, the Nox was probably facing the stronger ones.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I thought Ragna just made a universe where the unit could not intervene. I dont think that means transcendance. I may be wrong.

 

[Zeldasmash]

I'm actually unsure about that. Once Ragna created the new universe, he vanished, with a cliffhanger ending that shows his sword and coat missing. I have no idea if he has become like Noel previous to this or he has become abstract that can manifest into a physical form.

 

[Drellix]

Bump

 

[MagiSinbad]

Well, Shadowegde just corrected my question. If he had became an transcendence being (Since he has obtain the True Azure, which is the true power of the Boundary,i dont see why not) his durability and the other stats should be upgraded as well. However, i'm not really knowledgeable about BlazBlue universe enough to sure about this ^__^"

That's said, i'm totally argree with the upgrades. But you guy should PM the other admins like Azzathoth or Living Tribunal to get more input

 

[MagiSinbad]

Counting...

Argree : Ant, Drellix, Shadowegde, me, Dark649, Crossversecrisis, XxxBeerusTheDestroyerxxX (7)

Shouldnt that is enough ?

 

[Drellix]

Considering that a few are staff members, I do think so.

 

[MagiSinbad]

Staff members and Knowledgeable members. Both are required.

 

[Drellix]

Is anyone even listed on the knowledeable members list for BlazBlue?