Black Zetsu/Original WZ Reacts and Dodges Sasuke's Kirin

[AstralKing7]

dude base naruto gets the reactions scaling from deva path pain who started attack him. Im with you on the Hanzo part just wanted to make sure. Im also thinking we dont need to put 3t Kakashi on here cause there isnt enough of information

 

[AlexSoloVaAlFuturo]

@Kepekley23

What do you think about this?

 

[TheFinalOrder]

Btw, Base Naruto post SM training should be superior to BoShippuden Base Naruto unless you believe the SM Training didn't improve his base.

 

[Omimi]

Kakashi was easily superior and was reading his book at times
heck naruto never touched actual kakashi in that fight(besides when he tried to spoil the ending of jiraiyas book)

G2g now

he wasnt reading book

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

So, the issue here is base Naruto scaling?

 

[AstralKing7]

wait before this starts to get confusing, Who says base naruto shouldnt scale and who says he does. Who says 3tome kakashi scales and who says he doesnt. State reasons why please

 

[Omimi]

only '''ShrekAlmighty''' against base naruto scale

 

[AstralKing7]

So, the issue here is base Naruto scaling?

yeah seems so

 

[AstralKing7]

if we can come to an agreement it would mean this revision will be finished and all that would be left is to apply

 

[Omimi]

we still need '''kep''' to agree who scale or not

 

[AstralKing7]

Im against Base naruto scaling as it would mean more or less every Mhs+ scales and cause Sasuke easily blitzed Base naruto

Kep already doesnt agree with 3 tome sharaingan kakashi and so do I. This is why Shrek doesnt believe base naruto would scale. For one naruto hasnt actually fought every MHS+ and the ones who do already scale dont scale from Naruto but others. Second Sasuke got way faster in the last arc getting a powerup from SOSP same for Naruto so this scaling wouldnt apply to them two in the last arc since they got stronger bases

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

I...don't understand what you just said.

What Shrek said is actually true.

 

[Omimi]

Im back early will have to go in 20 mins tho
Im gonna let BFF decide who scales

Im against Base naruto scaling as it would mean more or less every Mhs+ scales and cause Sasuke easily blitzed Base naruto

sure but it was exhausted naruto

 

[AstralKing7]

shriek said everyone that is already mhs+ would scale from base naruto if he gets upgrade which doesnt make sense. He said it also doesnt make sense because Sasuke(Rinnegan) blitzed base naruto but we all know that it doesnt make sense or mess up scaling because both of them got powerups in the battle with Madara so scaling still isnt messed so their bases are stronger than their bases before the war

 

[ShrekAlmighty]

No?

Start of shippuden sasuke easily blitzed Base naruto when Naruto,sai,sakura and yamato went to orochimarus hideout.I didnt mention rinnegan sasuke once

 

[Omimi]

No?
Start of shippuden sasuke easily blitzed Base naruto when Naruto,sai,sakura and yamato went to orochimarus hideout.I didnt mention rinnegan sasuke once

again it was exhausted naruto

or did u forgot that after figthing oro

naruto couldn't even stand properly smh.......

 

[ShrekAlmighty]

How the **** was he exhausted

They rested after fight with oro for a day naruto was full stamina there

 

[Dzhindzholia]

Start of Shippuden Sasuke is a lot faster than Naruto,he was even casual.

 

[TheFinalOrder]

The way I see it, Base Naruto (Post SM Training) only scales. He's portrayed as much faster and stronger.

 

[TheFinalOrder]

No?
Start of shippuden sasuke easily blitzed Base naruto when Naruto,sai,sakura and yamato went to orochimarus hideout.I didnt mention rinnegan sasuke once

BoShippuden Naruto =/= Post SM Training Naruto.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

Post SM Naruto gained nothing besides his SM.And his training included only absorbtion of natural energy.

 

[AstralKing7]

No?
Start of shippuden sasuke easily blitzed Base naruto when Naruto,sai,sakura and yamato went to orochimarus hideout.I didnt mention rinnegan sasuke once

you didnt specify which sasuke either once. Narutos base obviously got more faster after training on mount myoboku otherwise you wouldnt be able to expalin him being able to react and fight with deva path pain in close combat when his power was gone.

https://youtu.be/Pj9c5F7lKzw

 

[TheFinalOrder]

Post SM Naruto gained nothing besides his SM.And his training included only absorbtion of natural energy.

Except his feats say he's faster and more skilled, going from needing Nine-tails Chakra to keep up with Kakuzu to being abke to match pain in h2h. His base is portayed stronger and faster than priot to his training.

 

[AstralKing7]

tbh naruto after his training with kakashi and yamato made him look stronger and more skilled and quick on his feat

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Post SM Naruto gained nothing besides his SM.And his training included only absorbtion of natural energy.

Except his feats say he's faster and more skilled, going from needing Nine-tails Chakra to keep up with Kakuzu to being abke to match pain in h2h. His base is portayed stronger and faster than priot to his training.

His Base was shown to even be capable of restraining Kakashi Pre war with little effort

 

[Omimi]

Post SM Naruto gained nothing besides his SM.And his training included only absorbtion of natural energy.

and frog kata

 

[AstralKing7]

Post SM Naruto gained nothing besides his SM.And his training included only absorbtion of natural energy.

and frog kata

we can see the frog kata payed of for base naruto because of how well he could defend agaisnt pain

 

[TheFinalOrder]

Btw, Kakashi was able to fight MS Sasuke for a point before Naruto arrived. So yes, Kakashi does indeed scale with 3 tomoe. It's off panel but Sasuke runs at Kakashi bloodlusted, they start ontop of the bridge. It cuts to Naruto monologing, then cuts back and Kakashi and Sasuke who are both on the water now, Sasuke has his sunanoo up.

Ref. Chapter 484

 

[Omimi]

How the **** was he exhausted
They rested after fight with oro for a day naruto was full stamina there

go ask kishi why/how naruto was exhausted
and stop downplaying

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Let's not bring downplay into this.

 

[Omimi]

naruto was exhausted

but ShrekAlmighty no.............. naruo was full stamina

 

[ShrekAlmighty]

not downplaying it just makes no sense for him to be tired after resting

he just went from Full stamina to falling on floor

 

[AstralKing7]

naruto aslo still feels the effect from using kurama so his body wasnt use to it. Also at first i wasnt sure scaling Kakashi 3tome to Sasuke cause he had just been through battle after battle but if he had to use susanno agaisnt Kakashi then yeah Kakashi should scale than

 

[TheFinalOrder]

Also, you guys should read chapter 305. Not only does Jiraiya confirm Naruto wasn't @ 100% due to kurama in a later chapter, Naruto also fought with Orochimaru before he caught up with Sasuke.

 

[TheFinalOrder]

At any rate, let's get the core of this thread out of the way. Are we in agreement with:

• Kirin being Mach 2900+

• BZ reacting and dodging it

• Sasuke reacting to Kirin.

 

[AstralKing7]

yeah everyone agreed on that but kep said it doesnt matter if Sasuke dodged it since he still scales from Itachi who reacted to it. So everyone has agree on it just applying left

 

[TheFinalOrder]

Alright, then this thread can be closed and we can make a separate thread for scaling.

 

[AstralKing7]

okay need an admin to close the thread then

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

As far as I know, only Sasuke has a BoShippuden key, so what do we do about him? Kep said if Sasuke dodged Kirin, he would be around Mach 700.

If that cannot be used, should we put him at "Unknown normally, at least MHS with CS2" scaling above his Part 1 self?

 

[ShrekAlmighty]

He also said he scales from itachi so it doesnt matter