Black Clover: Type 8 immortality

[AzuRizzz]

The justification for type 8 immortality for Devils are only High-Mid regeneration.

Hence i propose for it to be removed.

It's just Regeneration, there's nothing that benefits them immortality that falls under type 8.

 

[Epsilon_R]

Devils can only be permanently killed by destroying their heart, hence why it's type 8.
Otherwise they'll always be alive, even if they have their body vaporized, but once their heart is destroyed they are done

 

[AzuRizzz]

Devils can only be permanently killed by destroying their heart, hence why it's type 8

That's just high-mid regeneration

 

[chosen]

I dissagree fra

If hearts aren't destroyed devils can't be killed

 

[ImmortalDread]

Is it stated anywhere?

 

[AzuRizzz]

I dissagree fra

If hearts aren't destroyed devils can't be killed

It's just regeneration.

Type 3 immortality for that

 

[ImmortalDread]

Before we say it is regeneration or not, is it stated they are immortal as long as their heart exists?

 

[chosen]

Is it stated anywhere?

That's bassically part of the story

Only stage 0 and arcane stages can kill devils cuz stage 1 and below cant do shit against the heart

 

[AzuRizzz]

Is it stated anywhere?

Devils can't be killed unless their hearts are destroyed as they can regenerate from their heart

 

[ImmortalDread]

Ya, I disagree with CRT as well. If they can't be truly killed unless you destroy their source of existence, which is the heart in our instance, it is immortality type 8.

 

[CloverDragon03]

That's just high-mid regeneration

No it’s not. Biggest example is 50% Lucifero, who is still alive after being reduced to just his heart and doesn’t regenerate. Zagred is also alive after being reduced to just his heart even before he regenerates

 

[Epsilon_R]

First of all, they do not regen from their heart, they either regen via Devil Power or via fast Healing Spells. They just need to live in order to heal, and you guessed it, they need their heart to live

 

[Epsilon_R]

No it’s not. Biggest example is 50% Lucifero, who is still alive after being reduced to just his heart and doesn’t regenerate. Zagred is also alive after being reduced to just his heart even before he regenerates

This.

You even have Megicula get vaporized to just her heart, TWICE

 

[ImmortalDread]

Ya, the thread should be closed.

 

[AzuRizzz]

Ya, I disagree with CRT as well. If they can't be truly killed unless you destroy their source of existence, which is the heart in our instance, it is immortality type 8.

But Isnt that just High Mid regeneration.

Also it's not really source of existence as their source of existence and true selves is in underworld hence why they have type 9 immortality.


It's just their actual heart.

If it is type 8 then what about characters who can regenerate from similar things such as blood or similar way yet don't have type 8

Melzagald from OPM as an example, he too won't die unless his core (or cores) is destroyed but doesn't have type 8 immortality and is only high mid

 

[chosen]

It's kinda a combination of both
As soon The hearts exist they will keep be able to regen
The same we have a combination between type 4 and 8 based on Being able to ressurect as soon a specific thing exists for some characters

 

[CloverDragon03]

But Isnt that just High Mid regeneration.

Also it's not really source of existence as their source of existence and true selves is in underworld hence why they have type 9 immortality.


It's just their actual heart.

If it is type 8 then what about characters who can regenerate from similar things such as blood or similar way yet don't have type 8

Melzagald from OPM as an example, he too won't die unless his core (or cores) is destroyed but doesn't have type 8 immortality and is only high mid

It’s not just High-Mid Regeneration. They’re reduced to just their heart and are alive from that. They need to be alive to regenerate to begin with

 

[AzuRizzz]

No it’s not. Biggest example is 50% Lucifero, who is still alive after being reduced to just his heart and doesn’t regenerate. Zagred is also alive after being reduced to just his heart even before he regenerates

That's my point.

Aren't characters who can literally regenerate on that level are still alive hence why they can regenerate

 

[AzuRizzz]

Ya, the thread should be closed.

How do you change usernames btw

 

[CloverDragon03]

That's my point.

Aren't characters who can literally regenerate on that level are still alive hence why they can regenerate

Depends on what they can survive. If they’re alive, they can regenerate (unless a character can regenerate post-mortem). In the devils’ case, as long as their heart is intact, they will be alive. That’s type 8 immortality

 

[AzuRizzz]

I thought type 8 immortality can only be granted if characters has objects that grants those to them other than themselves

Depends on what they can survive. If they’re alive, they can regenerate (unless a character can regenerate post-mortem). In the devils’ case, as long as their heart is intact, they will be alive. That’s type 8 immortality

 

[ImmortalDread]

How do you change usernames btw

I did not change it, someone changed it for me (even tho I don't want to, but rule is rule, and I tied to my fate..)

 

[ImmortalDread]

I thought type 8 immortality can only be granted if characters has objects that grants those to them other than themselves

That object is heart, and it is independent on themselves.

 

[AzuRizzz]

I did not change it, someone changed it for me (even tho I don't want to, but rule is rule, and I tied to my fate..)

I want to change mine too, unfair

 

[AzuRizzz]

That object is heart, and it is independent on themselves.

I thought their hearts are themselves, which is why zagred is able to cast spells and even create mouths on his heart directly speaking from it gave me chills watching that the first time Ngl

 

[ImmortalDread]

I thought their hearts are themselves, which is why zagred is able to cast spells and even create mouths on his heart directly speaking from it gave me chills watching that the first time Ngl

Ya, they are dependent on the source, but not versa vica.

 

[Epsilon_R]

I thought their hearts are themselves, which is why zagred is able to cast spells and even create mouths on his heart directly speaking from it gave me chills watching that the first time Ngl

That's what's been implied at first but now it's just something almost invulnerable but limited to High Rank devils which grants them Immortality

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

disagree with that

 

[Deceived3596]

Type 8 is just reliant immortality, as in someone's regenerative capabilities are reliant on an object, concept or external existence. High-ranking devils in Black Clover are reliant on their devil hearts remaining undamaged to regenerate. That's blatant Type 8 Immortality.

High-Mid is just the level of regeneration they're given by their Type 8, not an anti-feat or counter evidence of them having Type 8.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Type 8 is just reliant immortality, as in someone's regenerative capabilities are reliant on an object, concept or external existence. High-ranking devils in Black Clover are reliant on their devil hearts remaining undamaged to regenerate. That's blatant Type 8 Immortality.

High-Mid is just the level of regeneration they're given by their Type 8, not an anti-feat or counter evidence of them having Type 8.

W Deceived

 

[chosen]

So far
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[AzuRizzz]

So far
5-6 dissagreements
0 agreements

I'd rather have the thread be closed.

It seems that i misunderstood the whole thing, perhaps i should've asked about it first in question threads.

 

[ImmortalDread]

No worries, I will request the closure of the thread

 

[Magicomethkuon]

Is the heart a part of their body? If so, I don't think the OP is wrong to believe it's regeneration. Type 8 immortality refers to things that exist independently from the main body of the character. Even looking at the page where the power is elaborated upon, all the examples given are characters reliant on things that aren't a part of themselves in a conventional sense.

 

[Deceived3596]

Is the heart a part of their body? If so, I don't think the OP is wrong to believe it's regeneration. Type 8 immortality refers to things that exist independently from the main body of the character. Even looking at the page where the power is elaborated upon, all the examples given are characters reliant on things that aren't a part of themselves in a conventional sense.

8: Reliant Immortality: The character gets benefited by 1 or more other types of Immortality as long as a certain being, object, place and/or concept or more may grant them those benefits, losing them otherwise. What exactly a user is reliant over, the benefits given from it, and how the process of the ability operates must be explained. Simply having some weakness that will kill a character when exploited doesn't qualify if it doesn't grant a form of Immortality, and also having other powers that do grant Immortality but are unrelated to that weakness does not count as well. It is discouraged to list this type if it would be redundant due to the same power already being described in another ability of the profile.

Type 8 doesn't refer only towards things which are independent from one's body, that's just blatantly false to claim. If you have something which you're reliant on, regardless of it being dependent or independent from you, that would still count as Type 8.

The examples given don't contradict this.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Is the heart a part of their body? If so, I don't think the OP is wrong to believe it's regeneration. Type 8 immortality refers to things that exist independently from the main body of the character. Even looking at the page where the power is elaborated upon, all the examples given are characters reliant on things that aren't a part of themselves in a conventional sense.

Heart acts as independent in their body. The heart being found in the body does not mean it does not act as independent, if heart is dependent on the body, you would see they would be truly killed once body is erased.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Either way, your existence can reliant on your boyfriend's arm and still gain immortality type 8. Being found in body or not is irrelevant.

 

[Magicomethkuon]

Type 8 doesn't refer only towards things independent from one's body, that's just blatantly false to claim.

No, it's not. The words that you have bolded in fact, support what I have just said.

The character gets benefited by 1 or more other types of Immortality as long as a certain being, object, place and/or concept or more may grant them those benefits,

A certain being implies another being. A certain object implies it's not part of their body. Place is not them. Concept is not them. Now, we take a look at all the examples in the page:

Lucemon - reliant on malice in the hearts of men (Digimon), Voldemort - reliant on Horcruxes (Wizarding World), AIM Burst - reliant on the Level Upper Network (To Aru Majutsu No Index), Kracko - reliant on clouds and the sky (Kirby), Chara - reliant on the desire to kill (Undertale)

There is not, matter of fact, a single one of these where the type 8 comes from a body part. And that is accurate for indexing. It would be simply regeneration and/or immortality type 2 if they can survive from just one part of them. Cell from Dragon Ball Z is not given immortality type 8 from surviving and regenerating from just his cellular mass. Homunculi are likewise not granted type eight from having a core as a philosopher stone that they can survive and regenerate from even if the rest of them is vaporized.

 

[ImmortalDread]

A certain object implies it's not part of their body

From where did you get this headcanon? Because this is your interpretation and nowhere is stated in immortality type 8.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Also, examples does not disprove Deceived point that the place of said object is irrelevant.