Immortality Negation Type 4 and 8 for Slime Boy

[Eikichi_Sensei]

Well this is simple since several try to add that the verse has some Immortality Negation, I will give my contribution.

Rimuru should have Immortality Negation type 4 and 8 via absorption, since he prevents Charybdis from being resurrected, which is a Spiritual Lifeform.

Gyazo

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Additionally, I would like to see the wording of type 4 immortality changed in the life profile of Spiritual Lifeforms.

It should be High-Godly Resurrection (since the soul which is type 2 information) and the core was accepted as a path to type 8 immortality for Spiritual Lifeforms.

And they are different things.

He also asked me why Ultimate Skills don't have BFR resistance and Rimuru's sealing when it was a Unique Skill.

Also since Immortality Negation type 4 and 8 (if accepted) are abilities of this Unique Skill, and since ultimate skill users resist Unique Skills they should have resistance to this.



I hope I cooked .

Agree: DarkDragonMedeus. ActuallySpaceMan42 (Immortality Negation type 4 and 8)

Neutral: ActuallySpaceMan42 ( High-Goddly-Resurrection)

Disagree:

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks alright

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Don't forget to add references

 

[Eikichi_Sensei]

Don't forget to add references

I'll let this be accepted and put everything in order later, don't worry, it will be more organized.

 

[Mizuki67]

I'll let this be accepted and put everything in order later, don't worry, it will be more organized.

This looks like a minor revision for me. I think your revision is already accepted. I still recommend getting 2 staff for approval.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Scans for Charybdis immortality 4 & 8?

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Rimuru should have Immortality Negation type 4 and 8 via absorption, since he prevents Charybdis from being resurrected, which is a Spiritual Lifeform.

Gyazo

gyazo.com

Seems fine

Additionally, I would like to see the wording of type 4 immortality changed in the life profile of Spiritual Lifeforms.

It should be High-Godly Resurrection (since the soul which is type 2 information) and the core was accepted as a path to type 8 immortality for Spiritual Lifeforms.

And they are different things.

Core and SouI are different things, yes, but both define the info type 2 aspect of a being, same with SpirituaI and AstraI Body, which are aIso made of information, so I wouId Iean more towards Iimited HGR, since they are resurrecting from partiaI information type 2 death, a compIete info type 2 death wouId onIy be when even their core is destroyed

He also asked me why Ultimate Skills don't have BFR resistance and Rimuru's sealing when it was a Unique Skill.

Also since Immortality Negation type 4 and 8 (if accepted) are abilities of this Unique Skill, and since ultimate skill users resist Unique Skills they should have resistance to this.

Agreed, but does this mean Rimuru;s ImmortaIity negation of these wiII be Iayered from BeeIzebuth?

We aIready accept aII UItimate skiIIs as Iayered versions of their unique counterparts

 

[Tempestdragon6]

Seems fine

Core and SouI are different things, yes, but both define the info type 2 aspect of a being, same with SpirituaI and AstraI Body, which are aIso made of information, so I wouId Iean more towards Iimited HGR, since they are resurrecting from partiaI information type 2 death, a compIete info type 2 death wouId onIy be when even their core is destroyed


Agreed, but does this mean Rimuru;s ImmortaIity negation of these wiII be Iayered from BeeIzebuth?

We aIready accept aII UItimate skiIIs as Iayered versions of their unique counterparts

maybe

 

[Eikichi_Sensei]

Agreed, but does this mean Rimuru;s ImmortaIity negation of these wiII be Iayered from BeeIzebuth?

We aIready accept aII UItimate skiIIs as Iayered versions of their unique counterparts

Yes they will be layers but here is not the right place.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Based on Charybdis's profile, they have Immortality Type 1, 3 & 4 (No justifications) and they don't have the Spiritual Lifeform Physiology on their profile either. On top of all of that, they only have Low-Godly Regen, with Spiritual Life Forms only having Mid-Godly overtime.

So I disagree with the High-Godly stuff.

 

[Mizuki67]

Based on Charybdis's profile, they have Immortality Type 1, 3 & 4 (No justifications) and they don't have the Spiritual Lifeform Physiology on their profile either. On top of all of that, they only have Low-Godly Regen, with Spiritual Life Forms only having Mid-Godly overtime.

So I disagree with the High-Godly stuff.

the profiles are not even fully updated, if you are basing it just from that. Charybdis is indeed a spiritual lifeform

 

[Eikichi_Sensei]

Based on Charybdis's profile, they have Immortality Type 1, 3 & 4 (No justifications) and they don't have the Spiritual Lifeform Physiology on their profile either. On top of all of that, they only have Low-Godly Regen, with Spiritual Life Forms only having Mid-Godly overtime.

So I disagree with the High-Godly stuff.

My God... I'm sorry for the terrible service but Charybdis is a Spiritual Lifeform, I guess since the profile is old they didn't put it on physiology because they didn't even remember it, on the other topic that's why I wanted the opinion of another person since the soul, even if they lose it, can return thanks to its core, reviving, and the soul has type 2 information that is why it wanted the change.

 

[Mizuki67]

My God... I'm sorry for the terrible service but Charybdis is a Spiritual Lifeform, I guess since the profile is old they didn't put it on physiology because they didn't even remember it, on the other topic that's why I wanted the opinion of another person since the soul, even if they lose it, can return thanks to its core, reviving, and the soul has type 2 information that is why it wanted the change.

if your justification for hgr is just based on the soul then it is not enough because the core was never destroyed in the first place

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

My God... I'm sorry for the terrible service but Charybdis is a Spiritual Lifeform, I guess since the profile is old they didn't put it on physiology because they didn't even remember it, on the other topic that's why I wanted the opinion of another person since the soul, even if they lose it, can return thanks to its core, reviving, and the soul has type 2 information that is why it wanted the change.

I can agree with the Immortality Negation stuff, even if their profile is a bit outdated and he's clearly a Spiritual Lifeform. But if you want High-Godly based on the fact he is a Spiritual Lifeform, you are going to have to make a separate CRT to change the Spiritual Lifeform Physiology page, since that states their Regen is Low Godly, and Ressurection is Mid-Godly, over time.

 

[Mizuki67]

if your justification for hgr is just based on the soul then it is not enough because the core was never destroyed

updated my reply

 

[Mizuki67]

I can agree with the Immortality Negation stuff, even if their profile is a bit outdated and he's clearly a Spiritual Lifeform. But if you want High-Godly based on the fact he is a Spiritual Lifeform, you are going to have to make a separate CRT to change the Spiritual Lifeform Physiology page, since that states their Regen is Low Godly, and Ressurection is Mid-Godly, over time.

i would agree for Mid-Godly resurrection negation because Charybdis could also resurrect as a spiritual lifeform

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

i would agree if it is Mid-Godly resurrection negation because Charybdis could also resurrect as a spiritual lifeform

Yeah, I have no problem with Mid-Godly since that's already accepted. But if the OP is set on the High-Godly, then he'll have to make a CRT to change the Physiology Page.

 

[Eikichi_Sensei]

I can agree with the Immortality Negation stuff, even if their profile is a bit outdated and he's clearly a Spiritual Lifeform. But if you want High-Godly based on the fact he is a Spiritual Lifeform, you are going to have to make a separate CRT to change the Spiritual Lifeform Physiology page, since that states their Regen is Low Godly, and Ressurection is Mid-Godly, over time.

Ok but I have a question for you before you do that.

The soul is type 2 information, the core gave type 8 immortality to the spiritual life forms, but the core is also their concept but it is covered by type 2 information, it could be said that it has already lost an important part that indicates the wiki, in addition to the soul, would it be enough?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Ok but I have a question for you before you do that.

The soul is type 2 information, the core gave type 8 immortality to the spiritual life forms, but the core is also their concept but it is covered by type 2 information, it could be said that it has already lost an important part that indicates the wiki, in addition to the soul, would it be enough?

Don't follow Tensei, so I can't really comment.

 

[Mizuki67]

Ok but I have a question for you before you do that.

The soul is type 2 information, the core gave type 8 immortality to the spiritual life forms, but the core is also their concept but it is covered by type 2 information, it could be said that it has already lost an important part that indicates the wiki, in addition to the soul, would it be enough?

Only mid godly resurrection negation works. I don't think we give hgr to those who can regen or resurrect their soul

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

I can agree with the Immortality Negation stuff, even if their profile is a bit outdated and he's clearly a Spiritual Lifeform. But if you want High-Godly based on the fact he is a Spiritual Lifeform, you are going to have to make a separate CRT to change the Spiritual Lifeform Physiology page, since that states their Regen is Low Godly, and Ressurection is Mid-Godly, over time.

Their resurrection is Mid GodIy based on the fact that they can regen from SouI

but the point of this CRT is to make it cIear that the astraI body and spirituaI body, which are Iess important and externaI Iayers of a SouI, are aIso made of information

 

[Tatsumi504]

None of this is immortality negation. He's literally absorbing their powers as well

 

[Eikichi_Sensei]

None of this is immortality negation. He's literally absorbing their powers as well

Preventing him from resurrection even for 2 years, is not Negation of resurrection? (when 2 years passed he remembered him and he was still the same)

 

[Tatsumi504]

Preventing him from resurrection even for 2 years, is not Negation of resurrection? (when 2 years passed he remembered him and he was still the same)

Is it rimuru causing that? Send the scan or rather just vol and chapter number.

 

[Eikichi_Sensei]

Is it rimuru causing that? Send the scan or rather just vol and chapter number.

 

[Tatsumi504]

What does Teare mean by "cook up the monster corpses it needs for resurrection"?

 

[Eikichi_Sensei]

What does Teare mean by "cook up the monster corpses it needs for resurrection"?

“Mm-hmm,” Tear added. “If you want to stop, now is your chance, okay? This seal won't last much longer, and when it's broken, Charybdis will end up resurrected in some battlefield or monster graveyard or whatever. In fact, he'll probably try to use the remains of his power to create the monster bodies he needs to resurrect himself—and if that happens, we'll have gone through all this trouble for nothing!”

Light Novel 3 Chapter 4

 

[Bernkastelll]

As someone who read Tensura, I agree, yeah.

 

[Sebas-S.P-san]

For my part, I agree, but they should first update Charybdis's profile, the spiritual life form and Immortality type 8

 

[Shiraito983]

Well this is simple since several try to add that the verse has some Immortality Negation, I will give my contribution.

Rimuru should have Immortality Negation type 4 and 8 via absorption, since he prevents Charybdis from being resurrected, which is a Spiritual Lifeform.

Gyazo

gyazo.com

Additionally, I would like to see the wording of type 4 immortality changed in the life profile of Spiritual Lifeforms

agree

 

[CodeCCLL]

I forgot this existed.

Additionally, I would like to see the wording of type 4 immortality changed in the life profile of Spiritual Lifeforms.

It should be High-Godly Resurrection (since the soul which is type 2 information) and the core was accepted as a path to type 8 immortality for Spiritual Lifeform.

Looks alright

To qualify for high godly regeneration/resurrection, you must additionally be regenerate/resurrect from the complete destruction of a metaphysical aspect. The partial regenerate/resurrect of the metaphysical aspect is still within the mid-godly.

But if you want High-Godly based on the fact he is a Spiritual Lifeform, you are going to have to make a separate CRT to change the Spiritual Lifeform Physiology page, since that states their Regen is Low Godly, and Ressurection is Mid-Godly, over time.

[https://vsbattles.com/threads/tensura-revision-ln.166889/]
We already discussed this in the last thread where this was brought up.

Every Spiritual Lifeform, except the newly born weak-willed ones, can completely regenerate their physical body (low-godly regeneration) even if it is completely destroyed and can also regenerate their astral body as long as it is not completely destroyed (the astral body includes the soul and mind, which are composed of information type 2 aspects) [low-godly regeneration (including partial information type 2 regeneration)]
They can also resurrect their astral body over time or instantly, depending on the character, as long as their core (which is the type 1 conceptual self and contains information type 2) is not destroyed [mid godly resurrection (including partial information type 2 resurrection) over time to instantly]

However, there are some Spiritual Lifeforms, such as Primordial Demons and True Dragons, that even if their cores, astral bodies, and physical bodies are completely destroyed, they can be resurrected/regeneration over time or even instantly, depending on the character. [high-godly resurrection/regeneration (information type 2, concept type 1) over time to instantly]

Spiritual Lifeforms page was created based on the general abilities that each Spiritual Lifeform has. So they only should have low-godly regeneration and mid-godly regeneration over time.

Don't follow Tensei, so I can't really comment.

I've explained to the my best how regeneration and resurrection works in the verse (it's the simplest and most concise explanation given that Tensura has one of the most complex physiologies in wiki), and I can give you any scans you want (though all but a few from Vol 16 are already on the pages).

 

[Tempestdragon6]

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