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Black Clover General Discussion thread

Yes, but was Asta and Yuno can only protect to the Dark Elf just ? They rarely travel rush to attacked Dark Elves, so at that time they didn't have the travel speed feat like Licht and Lumiere, who had both travel and combat speed.
I don't understand what your argument is, but even with their power ups (stronger and faster than their versions that fought Corrupted Patri), Zagred thinks their speed in that version can't reach him, whereas Licht and Lumiere were casually blitzing him
 
I don't understand what your argument is, but even with their power ups (stronger and faster than their versions that fought Corrupted Patri), Zagred thinks their speed in that version can't reach him, whereas Licht and Lumiere were casually blitzing him
Bro, have you forgotten that the person who defeated the Dark Elf was Nozel, and Asta Yuno at that time was not stronger than the Dark Elf at all?
 
But anyway, Tabata obviously can't scale and isn't constantly thinking about how fast they are or should be now. I remember someone pointing out how ridiculous it is that they went from LS to MFTL++ after a single arc (because the calcu says so), and y'all were laughing at him lmfao. I want that guy to come back here and roast y'all asses
 
But anyway, Tabata obviously can't scale and isn't constantly thinking about how fast they are now. I remember someone pointing out how ridiculous it is that they went from LS to MFTL++ after a single arc because the calcu says so, and y'all were laughing at him lmfao. I want that guy to come back here and roast y'all.
At that time, I probably didn't even know about Vs wiki.
 
At that time, I probably didn't even know about Vs wiki.
II know, and I was sorta agreeing with him because even if a light/beam shows properties and behavior like real light it doesn't mean it's automatically light speed in BC, as shown with Gauche beam. I already mentioned this in that same thread but people deliberately ignore that important fact
 
The future CRT will be to cap SoL speed no?, I must say I am against it.

I think it's more of a consequence of seeing the PS in a linear way, for me it's more like a retcon, But not something that nerf all the speed of the manga.
 
The future CRT will be to cap SoL speed no?, I must say I am against it.

I think it's more of a consequence of seeing the PS in a linear way, for me it's more like a retcon, But not something that nerf all the speed of the manga.
He is still trying to give dark elf Patti ftl attack speed 🤦‍♂️
 
The future CRT will be to cap SoL speed no?, I must say I am against it.
FTL combat speed or at least FTL reactions can still be argued because narratively speaking, Corrupted Light Magic is faster than Normal Light. But these MFTL calcs have to go
 
FTL combat speed or at least FTL reactions can still be argued because narratively speaking, Corrupted Light Magic is faster than Normal Light. But these MFTL calcs have to go
It is either relavistic+ or mftl. There is no in between. Everyone already scales above corrupted light magic. (Which if you give it ftl speeds would still make it so that Dante blitzed asta even though demon light magic was something he could perceive and barley block.
 
I Everyone already scales above corrupted light magic.
We've never really seen Yuno or Asta fight Corrupted Patry again after they received a power up to beat Zagred (which was still not fast enough to match Litch and Lumiere speed according to Zagred himself), so that's not really true. The only characters that could be scaled to or above Corrupted Patry are Litch and Lumiere, one of whom casually blitzed (and stomped) Asta and Yuno with more ease than Corrupted Patry did. I'm honestly happy to see that LS is still relevant in the current arc lol. The idea that Litch and Lumiere still hold the title of being the fastest is just so damn right
 
Ok now thread is close.
 
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You good?
I'm good. But It's just annoying how my argument is treated as nonsense when I know I'm right. I got banned for saying Julius would dismantle the Dark Triad, yet later on, we literally have Asta himself claiming he hasn't surpassed his' level. I also got muted for saying Lucifero would no diff Ichika as if they're not basically saying that Ichika possesses power greater than one capable of conquering the whole world, which is nonsense in itself. Though, this only occured in power scaling server, the rest of the server I'm in, they don't really care.
 
I'm good. But It's just annoying how my argument is treated as nonsense when I know I'm right. I got banned for saying Julius would dismantle the Dark Triad, yet later on, we literally have Asta himself claiming he hasn't surpassed his' level. I also got muted for saying Lucifero would no diff Ichika as if they're not basically saying that Ichika possesses power greater than one capable of conquering the whole world, which is nonsense in itself. Though, this only occured in power scaling server, the rest of the server I'm in, they don't really care.
feels good to be proven right don't it
 
Yes slightly. I always thought the reason Lucius opened the gate of hell in the Spade arc was so he could split Lucifero power in half because he isn’t someone who could be beaten at full power. A Devil that the narrator, through Nacht, has repeatedly described as possessing a power no one could stop, a being capable of ending the entire world by himself. And yet people are out here casually claiming Ichika is stronger than Lucifero, the most powerful and strongest devil in the entire underworld.

I don’t think people here actually comprehend how crazy that claimed is. Like, if that were true, Lucius wouldn’t even need his power anymore to achieve his goal. People here power scale so much that they lose all sense of common sense.
 
I'm good. But It's just annoying how my argument is treated as nonsense when I know I'm right. I got banned for saying Julius would dismantle the Dark Triad, yet later on, we literally have Asta himself claiming he hasn't surpassed his' level. I also got muted for saying Lucifero would no diff Ichika as if they're not basically saying that Ichika possesses power greater than one capable of conquering the whole world, which is nonsense in itself. Though, this only occured in power scaling server, the rest of the server I'm in, they don't really care.
Lucifero gets absolutely slammed and it isn’t close. He isn’t top 15
 
Lucifero gets absolutely slammed and it isn’t close. He isn’t top 15
After all those new chapters, yet they taught you nothing. I'm sad for you bru 😭. Trying to scale everyone to Lucifero is like literally trying to scale a bunch of Class A heroes from OPM to Saitama and Garou. Nobody in this verse scales to 50% Lucifero (which probably what Lucius used to dog walk the entire underworld) and 5 horns Asta, besides Lucius.
 
After all those new chapters, yet they taught you nothing. I'm sad for you bru 😭. Trying to scale everyone to Lucifero is like literally trying to scale a bunch of Class A heroes from OPM to Saitama and Garou. Nobody in this verse scales to 50% Lucifero (which probably what Lucius used to dog walk the entire underworld) and 5 horns Asta, besides Lucius.
Just admit that you simply can’t read or understand the narrative. Base Lucius literally has 100% of Lucifero powers + his own + Julius. Yet Asta still didn’t lose and was even confident he could win. Yet he got slammed by ichika. Even more so, it is directly stated by nacht that a paladin is more powerful than a supreme devil. He has only met two. Naalith and Lucifero. It makes no sense for him to talk about naalith (the weakest layer devil) when a paladin is literally the power of a SUPREME DEVIL WITH AN AMP.

(You not ready for paladins to get acasualty type 4 🌚)
 
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Just admit that you simply can’t read or understand the narrative. Base Lucius literally has 100% of Lucifero powers + his own + Julius. Yet Asta still didn’t lose and was even confident he could win.
Lucius isn't using full power of Lucifero or Julius powers in his base form. That's something neither stated nor implied, so I have absolutely no idea where you're getting that from.

In fact all the evidence suggests otherwise, such as Asta himself saying he isn't stronger than Julius yet, and yet he's still able to go toe to toe with base Lucius, and him comparing base Lucius to base Lucifero [1], which showcases the fact that base Lucius isn't as strong as you think he is.
Yet he got slammed by ichika. Even more so, it is directly stated by nacht that a paladin is more powerful than a supreme devil.
Which in context, refers to Lilith and Namaah, a supreme devils, due to the power Damnatio is receiving from a supreme devil name Baal, who is infinitely inferior to Lucifero.
He has only met two. Naalith and Lucifero. It makes no sense for him to talk about naalith (the weakest layer devil)
That's cool and all, but he’s not referring to Lucifero.

I genuinely thought for a moment that you would provide a meaningful argument, and not just a bunch of headcanon and misinterpretations passed off as evidence and narrative.

The idea alone that they went from being absolutely unable to do anything against base Lucifero in the Spade Arc to being able to one shot 50% Lucifero in the current arc is extremely absurd in itself and something that even the narrative itself would slap the soul out of you, if it heard you.

Julius wouldn't even be relevant to them anymore if that's truly how strong they've become now, unless you scale Julius above 50% Lucifero 💀
(You not ready for paladins to get acasualty type 4 🌚)
I'm sorry for you if you genuinely think that should be a thing 💀💀💀
 
Lucius isn't using full power of Lucifero or Julius powers in his base form. That's something neither stated nor implied, so I have absolutely no idea where you're getting that from.
Let’s take a look shall we? It is a burden on you to prove that he was holding back.


1.) base form Lucius no diffed 50% Lucifero. And from what we can see,it took 1 spell and he has no injuries. Saying otherwise is headcanon unless you can provide evidence otherwise. so base Lucius > 50% Lucifero at MINIMUM.

2.)This also makes sense when we know that Lucius has luciferos first heart.and after he beats Lucifero we can see him eat Lucifero second heart.



3.) We know that the heart gives him Luciferos power. So obviously if Lucius already ate the first heart he would have 50% of Lucifero power,his own + Julius power. So obviously 50% Lucifero would stand no chance and that is why he got no diffed

In fact all the evidence suggests otherwise, such as Asta himself saying he isn't stronger than Julius yet, and yet he's still able to go toe to toe with base Lucius, and him comparing base Lucius to base Lucifero [1], which showcases the fact that base Lucius isn't as strong as you think he is.
4.)it is directly stated by the captains that Lucius is more powerful.and using context of them basing it off him soloing the underworld,we know it was referring to base Lucius,as Lucius soloed the underworld in base.as we can see with Lucifero.



5.) now for Julius.Lucius (base) tells asta that he is stronger than Julius. Asta responds saying that he would surpass the wizard king in this fight..and then they fight.so it is very obvious that if Lucius is already stronger,and Asta is comparable then…
Lucius time magic is quite literally bigger than Julius. so idk what headcanon you are using to say he is holding back.



6.) Asta doesn’t compare Lucius to Lucifero. He sees Lucius using Lucifero power. When he sees them. He says that he has gotten stronger (he has trained) since the timeskip .which is clearly showing that Luciferos strength is not a problem .
asta is confident in winning even after all those factors.proves that he is at least comparable (lowball) to what he can sense and has seen.

Also asta is stated to be a threat.



Which in context, refers to Lilith and Namaah, a supreme devils, due to the power Damnatio is receiving from a supreme devil name Baal, who is infinitely inferior to Lucifero.
it yet again makes no sense. We can look at people like Noelle who fought megicula. This Noelle is VERY clearly MASSIVELY weaker than current Noelle. Yet current is still struggling with a paladin. That is nerfed,while she is buffed by neverland.makes no sense to say that paladins are just stronger than the weakest floor devils.and idk what the amp was accepted as on here, but a paladin is always stronger than the supreme devil they host. As it is literally them using supreme devil power + a massive amp.
That's cool and all, but he’s not referring to Lucifero.

I genuinely thought for a moment that you would provide a meaningful argument, and not just a bunch of headcanon and misinterpretations passed off as evidence and narrative.
from the land of the rising sun,we find out that paladins are the strongest people the ryuzen 7 have fought. This logically includes asta. Same asta who was fighting Lucius. Even more so all but 1 ryuzen 7 member smoked asta even without using magic. (Tho this was base asta they were both holding back) Asta says that even if he used all his powers he still wouldn’t be have lost to ichika (who didn’t use her magic suit yet) which shows that she is more powerful than the Lucius he was confident in beating.


The idea alone that they went from being absolutely unable to do anything against base Lucifero in the Spade Arc to being able to one shot 50% Lucifero in the current arc is extremely absurd in itself and something that even the narrative itself would slap the soul out of you, if it heard you.
the idea that they can’t close a few times gap within a year and 3 months timeskip even though we have seen them do that even mid fight is what is really absurd.

Julius wouldn't even be relevant to them anymore if that's truly how strong they've become now, unless you scale Julius above 50% Lucifero 💀
can simply argue that Lucius was affecting Julius fights and that is why Julius seems weak..which is far more supported than you would think.there isn’t even a reason for Lucius to bring up the fact that he is now stronger than Julius (when Julius hasn’t been relevant for hundreds of chapters) that would just be an obvious statement.
I'm sorry for you if you genuinely think that should be a thing 💀💀💀
type 4 acasualty incoming 🗣️. (If I am being honest I don’t think it will be outright rejected. Likely just going to say it needs more evidence or sum.

Edit: idk why the scans keep going in the wrong order
 
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Let’s take a look shall we? It is a burden on you to prove that he was holding back.


1.) base form Lucius no diffed 50% Lucifero. And from what we can see,it took 1 spell and he has no injuries. Saying otherwise is headcanon unless you can provide evidence otherwise. so base Lucius > 50% Lucifero at MINIMUM.
You are referencing a scene that barely shows anything beyond the outcome. I’m not sure if you’ll understand this (not that I expect you to, because you clearly can’t read a story) but it’s obvious that his ultimate form wasn’t shown in that chapter because it was meant for a later revelation.
2.)This also makes sense when we know that Lucius has luciferos first heart.and after he beats Lucifero we can see him eat Lucifero second heart.
The only thing that makes sense in the part you mentioned is the fact that he ate his second heart.

3.) We know that the heart gives him Luciferos power. So obviously if Lucius already ate the first heart he would have 50% of Lucifero power,his own + Julius power. So obviously 50% Lucifero would stand no chance and that is why he got no diffed

Sure, but this doesn’t prove your point. You are literally referencing a scene that barely shows anything beyond the outcome and forcing your false narrative onto it for your outlandish, laughable scaling 💀
4.)it is directly stated by the captains that Lucius is more powerful.and using context of them basing it off him soloing the underworld,we know it was referring to base Lucius,as Lucius soloed the underworld in base.as we can see with Lucifero.
Solo the entire underworld in base form? 💀

I don’t think you fully comprehend the weight of what you’re saying. And that's literally just straight up headcanon. Please be better.


5.) now for Julius.Lucius (base) tells asta that he is stronger than Julius. Asta responds saying that he would surpass the wizard king in this fight..and then they fight.so it is very obvious that if Lucius is already stronger,and Asta is comparable then…
Lucius time magic is quite literally bigger than Julius. so idk what headcanon you are using to say he is holding back.

Great, a typical power scaling response: "He said he is stronger than Julius while in base, so that must mean he is only referencing his base form." You’re literally trying to go against the narrative, as well as Lucius and Asta own statements. If Julius isn’t even relevant to them anymore, Lucius wouldn’t even have mentioned his name, but he did which mean his strength is still relevant to them.


6.) Asta doesn’t compare Lucius to Lucifero. He sees Lucius using Lucifero power. When he sees them. He says that he has gotten stronger (he has trained) since the timeskip .which is clearly showing that Luciferos strength is not a problem .
asta is confident in winning even after all those factors.proves that he is at least comparable (lowball) to what he can sense and has seen.

Except he did. And no amount of copium changing that fact.
Also asta is stated to be a threat.




it yet again makes no sense. We can look at people like Noelle who fought megicula. This Noelle is VERY clearly MASSIVELY weaker than current Noelle. Yet current is still struggling with a paladin. That is nerfed,while she is buffed by neverland.makes no sense to say that paladins are just stronger than the weakest floor devils.and idk what the amp was accepted as on here, but a paladin is always stronger than the supreme devil they host. As it is literally them using supreme devil power + a massive amp.

Except it absolutely makes sense.

Until you can prove that Nacht is referring to a supreme devil stronger than Baal himself i.e., the king of devils, then he is only referring to Lilith and Namaah, a supreme devils both inferior to Baal.
From the land of the rising sun,we find out that paladins are the strongest people the ryuzen 7 have fought. This logically includes asta. Same asta who was fighting Lucius. Even more so all but 1 ryuzen 7 member smoked asta even without using magic. (Tho this was base asta they were both holding back) Asta says that even if he used all his powers he still wouldn’t be have lost to ichika (who didn’t use her magic suit yet) which shows that she is more powerful than the Lucius he was confident in beating.
You are proving nothing.


the idea that they can’t close a few times gap within a year and 3 months timeskip even though we have seen them do that even mid fight is what is really absurd.

"A few times"? Mfs could barely damage Lucifero base form and it took Yami + William + Natch just do to so, let alone his 50%. I’m genuinely surprised the new chapter taught you nothing, because you could say the same thing about their speed. The stronger they are, the faster they become. Yet even with all those power ups you assume they received, they’re still bellow the speed of light. Lmfao.
can simply argue that Lucius was affecting Julius fights and that is why Julius seems weak..which is far more supported than you would think.there isn’t even a reason for Lucius to bring up the fact that he is now stronger than Julius (when Julius hasn’t been relevant for hundreds of chapters) that would just be an obvious statement.
You prove nothing.
type 4 acasualty incoming 🗣️. (If I am being honest I don’t think it will be outright rejected. Likely just going to say it needs more evidence or sum.

Edit: idk why the scans keep going in the wrong order
Good. Thanks for proving you suck at scaling.

You know what’s the funniest part? You write all of this yet present not a single solid piece of evidence, just a bunch of headcanon that you deliberately misinterpreted to prove your argument.
 

It hurts, doesn’t it? when the narrator itself says f#ck your scaling."They would speed blitz Lucifero and Julius according to our professional overanalysis scaling," yet we have statements of them still being below light speed. "They would one shot Julius and Lucifero, the pinnacle of humankind and devils," and yet we literally have Asta himself claiming he hasn’t reached their level yet and Lucius himself treating being stronger than Julius is a feat.
 
It hurts, doesn’t it, when the narrator itself says f#ck your scaling? "They would speed blitz Lucifero and Julius according to our professional overanalyzing scaling," yet we have statements of them still being below light speed. "They would one-shot Julius and Lucifero, the pinnacle of humankind and devils," and yet we literally have Asta himself claiming he hasn’t reached their level yet and Lucius himself acting like it's a feat.
It hurts, doesn’t it, when the narrator itself says f#ck your scaling? "They would speed blitz Lucifero and Julius according to our professional overanalyzing scaling," yet we have statements of them still being below light speed. "They would one-shot Julius and Lucifero, the pinnacle of humankind and devils," and yet we literally have Asta himself claiming he hasn’t reached their level yet and Lucius himself acting like it's a feat.
 
It hurts, doesn’t it, when the narrator itself says f#ck your scaling? "They would speed blitz Lucifero and Julius according to our professional overanalyzing scaling," yet we have statements of them still being below light speed. "They would one-shot Julius and Lucifero, the pinnacle of humankind and devils," and yet we literally have Asta himself claiming he hasn’t reached their level yet and Lucius himself acting like it's a feat.
Good to know you are one of them 👍
 
because @Worthless is known to not be taken seriously
Noted I suppose
Because I was trolling?

Everyone here already hates him, and what argument I am trying to win in the first place?

Don't engage in a conversation you don't know anything about
I’ll interject where and when I want, tyvm. Was just checking in on my rarely read series general discussion and saw what seems likes borderline harassment against someone for no reason other than their opinion (though delivered in quite an annoying way).

But either way, y’all do you I suppose.
 
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