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Black Clover General Discussion thread

I don't think so. Even though Lucifero has lower Ap than the other characters in the Final arc, his abilities and magic are still formidable.
 
AstaDragon said:
I don't think so. Even though Lucifero has lower Ap than the other characters in the Final arc, his abilities and magic are still formidable.
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His abilities are fodder compared to anyone who is comparable to him.(every paladin is stronger)
For example magna vs Dante. He can just resist the pressure due to equal strength
 
PHANtomFELdway said:
His abilities are fodder compared to anyone who is comparable to him.(every paladin is stronger)
For example magna vs Dante. He can just resist the pressure due to equal strength
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But will the paladin be able to resist Lucifero's Power Null 4 layer? Besides, I don't know if the paladin can withstand Gravity crush calss z or not.
 
AstaDragon said:
Is it true? which feat?
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It is literally how magic power works.

For example. Elves overwhelming magic power was making it hard to use magic due to the overwhelming difference.

And for Lucifero his overwhelming magic power was blocking everyone’s attacks.

And yet again. Magna was shown to resist the moment his magic power was = to Dante.

Paladins are by far stronger than Lucifero. The fight shouldn’t even be close
 
PHANtomFELdway said:
It is literally how magic power works.

For example. Elves overwhelming magic power was making it hard to use magic due to the overwhelming difference.

And for Lucifero his overwhelming magic power was blocking everyone’s attacks.

And yet again. Magna was shown to resist the moment his magic power was = to Dante.

Paladins are by far stronger than Lucifero. The fight shouldn’t even be close
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Ok, but how do Paladins handle Lucifero? Do they have any indication that their magic is superior to Gravity Magic, or how fast they are and how much range their magic has?
 
AstaDragon said:
Ok, but how do Paladins handle Lucifero? Do they have any indication that their magic is superior to Gravity Magic, or how fast they are and how much range their magic has?
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They have more magic power meaning they automatically tank it. Literally SAME as magna.

And they are directly stated to be the most powerful opponent they have ever faced.


As well as stated to be stronger than a supreme devil. (With supreme devil being a whole group of devils and not just singular one with this context)

They even have better feats against stronger characters

And lastly. Paladins are literally supreme devils with an amp (don’t know what multipliers where accepted here) so it narratively makes no sense for the statement stronger than a supreme devil to refer to one. (It was nacht who said the statement and the only supreme devil he met was naalith (excluding lucifero) and which is the weakest floor. )
 
AnAverageUsername said:
Yo, yall want a Conrad match
vsbattles.com

Ryoh Grantz and the 27th Wizard King [Ryoh vs Conrad]

Two extraordinary wizards of their home stories now face eachother in battle RULES Speed is equalized Ryoh starts off with his Summons casted [786 Petatons] Conrad is in his Post-Sealing key with Compound Magic active [601.76 Petatons] Fight takes place in the Clover Kingdom Fighters start 10...
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com
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I would appreciate some more active interest here by the way
 
  1. I have issues with this calc
  2. This doesn't change any scaling
  3. This doesn't change any scaling
  4. This doesn't change any scaling
  5. This doesn't change any scaling
  6. This one's actually interesting, I'll need to look at this
  7. This calc is being contested
  8. This calc is being contested
So only one of these calcs is worthwhile imo, the others have issues or are just not relevant to the scaling
 
CloverDragon03 said:
  1. I have issues with this calc
  2. This doesn't change any scaling
  3. This doesn't change any scaling
  4. This doesn't change any scaling
  5. This doesn't change any scaling
  6. This one's actually interesting, I'll need to look at this
  7. This calc is being contested
  8. This calc is being contested
So only one of these calcs is worthwhile imo, the others have issues or are just not relevant to the scaling
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Ok cals 1 I read the reason and looked at Ok. Cals 2 changed from 17.5 Petatons to 7.8 Petatons according to the reason I gave, it's not strange at all. cals 7,8 You could help dispute this, because it's not the cals that were rejected. The rest of the cals I actually made because I wanted to put them on my verse profile. I'm jealous that OPM and JJK have that many cals on their verse profile.
 
Calc 2 is not used for scaling, it's simply a supporting feat. And honestly, I don't like bloating verse pages with tons of unnecessary calcs that don't actually affect anything. But that's just me lol

Calcs 7 and 8 run into issues with mountain sizes and stuff. For the Conrad calc, you're missing the fact that this "mountain" is the entire Noble Realm, so it's not quite viable to use. For the Loropechika calc, you're assuming that the map she makes is entirely to scale (especially when the mountainous area being as large as you got it is contradicted). I did this for a calc too, and honestly that calc needs to be axed as well
 
CloverDragon03 said:
Calcs 7 and 8 run into issues with mountain sizes and stuff. For the Conrad calc, you're missing the fact that this "mountain" is the entire Noble Realm, so it's not quite viable to use. For the Loropechika calc, you're assuming that the map she makes is entirely to scale (especially when the mountainous area being as large as you got it is contradicted). I did this for a calc too, and honestly that calc needs to be axed as well
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It really is a whole kingdom. Confirmed from Julius's words. As for cals 8, let it be.
 
Tbh it may be worthwhile to revisit it at some point, but I've got too much on my plate to worry about that now. I'm prioritizing other verses, plus real life stuff
 
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