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Helryx should be downgraded to City level. She is not comparable to Axonn and Brutaka. Just because she's the leader of the Order of Mata Nui doesn't necessarily mean she's stronger.
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My thoughts exactly.
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Resizing/Retiering the GSR
Unfortunately for Farshtey's height of 40 million feet/12192 km, it's too big, and makes the Island of Mata Nui, which is 357 kio/489.09 km in length and 178 kio/243.86 km wide, only fit the nose of the Great Spirit Robot when visually the island is supposed to be the entire face. It is a very...vsbattles.com
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I think I disagree that this implies it nerfs the nova blasts. I think this simply implies the domes contain the Nova blasts so they don't effect as wide of an area.Greg stated that the Great Spirit Robot weakens all Nova Blasts used within it and that ones used outside it are much stronger.
The language "there are safeguards to protect other domes from a Nova blast" implies that the dome the Nova blast is used in doesn't receive any additional protection from the blast.
Like setting off a nuke inside an impenetrable box. The nuke isn't nerfed, it's just it can't effect anything outside the box.
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boopResizing/Retiering the GSR
Unfortunately for Farshtey's height of 40 million feet/12192 km, it's too big, and makes the Island of Mata Nui, which is 357 kio/489.09 km in length and 178 kio/243.86 km wide, only fit the nose of the Great Spirit Robot when visually the island is supposed to be the entire face. It is a very...
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Made another calc of Gali Nuva's Nova blast. As mentioned in the blog itself I didn't like how the old calc of it used a map which Greg has confirmed to not be to scale so I used alternative methods to calc it. And a calc group member said the math looks good.
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Since it's literally the only Nova blast that actually occurs in the series it felt pretty important to have a clean calc of it.
I'm thinking I'll try redoing the calcs of Greg stating Jaller would vaporize the water for miles or hundreds of miles around next. I have an idea for determining the minimum depth of the ocean
Gali Nuva Nova Blast redux
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Since it's literally the only Nova blast that actually occurs in the series it felt pretty important to have a clean calc of it.
I'm thinking I'll try redoing the calcs of Greg stating Jaller would vaporize the water for miles or hundreds of miles around next. I have an idea for determining the minimum depth of the ocean
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If you're redoing any of the map calcs you should redo all of them.
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Pressure of Mahri Nui
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There's some decent skill stuff from the Bara Magna era of Bionicle. Particularly with Ackar having Analytical Prediction, which he teaches to Mata Nui to the point where he can predict attacks based on the smallest of movements
Also given the immense lifespan of Glatorians and Skrall, with their lives being dedicated to combat, that's worth considering too
I'll try going more in-depth on that if I collect the skill feats in a more cohesive manner
Also given the immense lifespan of Glatorians and Skrall, with their lives being dedicated to combat, that's worth considering too
I'll try going more in-depth on that if I collect the skill feats in a more cohesive manner
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Oh yeah
I think the Ignika's journey to Bara Magna is worth a calc. The visuals make it clear it was travelling a pretty huge distance in a short timespan
I think the Ignika's journey to Bara Magna is worth a calc. The visuals make it clear it was travelling a pretty huge distance in a short timespan
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@Lonkitt mind looking here: https://vsbattles.com/threads/resizing-retiering-the-gsr.175098/
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I didn't even notice you calculated the Cord's destruction, nice. Class M is also great. I had a strong feeling that a lot of Toa had better feats than Class 100 or Class KPressure of Mahri Nui
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- Skrall are bred from birth to be merciless fighters, with their training being a combination of rigorous training in "all of the combat arts, harsh discipline, and natural skill"
- The Skrall have never lost a Glatorian Arena Match
- Kiina has come the closest out of any Glatorian to beating a Skrall in the arena
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- After acquiring the Adaptive Armour, Pohatu had to master combat in the air or else he would die. He was ultimately successful, becoming an effective aerial fighter
- Chirox and Mutran continued to refine their Rahi creation while Icarax focused on mastering combat
- Icarax is outright referred to as the most highly skilled fighter of his species (Makuta) in combat
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- Antroz is one of the most skilled tactical commanders within the Brotherhood of Makuta
- The Toa Mahri forced Nektann to retreat, despite the latter being assisted by a Rahkshi of Heat Vision army
- Nektann participated in the Civil War on Zakaz
- While acting as a Toa/prior to becoming a Dark Hunter, Nidhiki was stated to be "A veteran of a thousand fights", while Larsika alluded to having killed multiple Toa in one day
- As a Dark Hunter, Avak was purposefully sent on multiple dangerous missions and a number of "sessions with the masters of pain" for his undesired behaviour, only to survive all of them
- The Shadowed One claims Reidak's appeal was how he combined "raw power with intelligence and cunning"
- Reidak singlehandedly eliminated the entire, thriving civilization (which included order enforcement officers and local officials) that once occupied his home island, leaving no survivors and no traces of the city
- The Shadowed One claims Thok is "an excellent hunter of Toa"
- The Shadowed One views Zaktan as representing a threat to his authority that must be destroyed
- The Shadowed One personally recruited and oversaw Zaktan's training as well as teaching him to strike without warning. He would go on to assign Zaktan as the leader of a team devoted to capturing and eliminating Toa
- Tyrant and the Piraka were the only "real challenges" to The Shadowed One's rule of the Dark Hunters in his eyes
- The Dark Hunters General Skill Feats (stuff that applies to pretty much all members and ex-members regardless of their specific accolades)
- Composed of thieves, bounty hunters, and mercenaries commanded by The Shadowed One. The Dark Hunters are considered one of the most dangerous organizations in the universe alongside the Brotherhood of Makuta
- The Dark Hunters quickly became both respected and feared from Metru Nui to the southern continent, successfully stealing treasures, eliminating Toa, kidnapping Turaga, and overthrowing the governments of entire islands over the millennia
- The Shadowed One claims his organization has brought fear to the hearts of Toa, Matoran, and even members from the Brotherhood of Makuta itself for thousands of years. The Dark Hunters have acted as spies and have brought destruction to countless lands
- Nidhiki refers to the Odina, the secret island headquarters of the Dark Hunters, as being the heavily defended home to "several hundred killers, and unfailingly lethal to trespassers"
Right now, Takanuva's page says he only might be able to use light-based abilities regarding his speed...but it really isn't that vague
This scan outright tells us his control of light extends to blinding flashes and pinpoint laser beams
Also
The Pahrak Bohrok are individually capable of creating violent earthquakes. The Pahrak were also responsible for Ga-Koro nearly being destroyed twice had they not been stopped
There's still a lot more scans to gather
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Looking back at the Inika Arc, the Piraka do pretty damn well against the Toa Nuva. I see some people online say "Brutaka play a part in that" but he...genuinely didn't? He wasn't there assisting or anything. The Piraka just beat the Toa Nuva, straight up
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Although the acceleration due to gravity comes from this calc which means it only works if the smaller size of the GSR is accepted
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Nice finds! There's also the part where Kopaka implies that he could have frozen Karda Nui
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Oh wow, I’ll have to find the scan for that one. Certainly worth a calc if he in fact implied this
Also ty : )
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I think it's in one of the Bionicle Legends books
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Axalara T9 has 7 million pounds of thrust while Rockoh T3 has 2.3 million pounds of thrust
Just bringing that up for LS. These specs also has some other stuff ability and stat wise
Just bringing that up for LS. These specs also has some other stuff ability and stat wise
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The Wastelands are so hot that by noon, only desperate Agori traders and Bone Hunters are found travelling them, while at the worst part of the day, merely touching the sand causes burns. At night, the temperature drops drastically to where a group of Agori (or most, in this case) must crowd their campfires
This should honestly apply to most of the named/combat relevant Bara Magna characters. In this case, it would be Resistance to Heat Manipulation (on both scales). Glatorian, Skrall, Bone Hunters, etc. already spend a lot of their time out in the Wastelands at different times of the day. Meanwhile, we've seen multiple characters managed themselves fine in the cold of the night in the Wastelands
This should honestly apply to most of the named/combat relevant Bara Magna characters. In this case, it would be Resistance to Heat Manipulation (on both scales). Glatorian, Skrall, Bone Hunters, etc. already spend a lot of their time out in the Wastelands at different times of the day. Meanwhile, we've seen multiple characters managed themselves fine in the cold of the night in the Wastelands
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Mata Nui's Great Spirit Robot body can split planets and travel worlds at will
These are phrased as being things the GSR could perform very casually, which makes sense given Greg said the GSR can destroy stars
These are phrased as being things the GSR could perform very casually, which makes sense given Greg said the GSR can destroy stars
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Axonn was at one point considered to be one of the greatest warriors in the Bionicle Universe, and whole cities are said to have fallen to his axe (the latter of these statements isn't too far from how his axe is said to be capable of cleaving mountains, a statement that is already considered to not represent the extent of his power)
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If he's only "experimenting" with "increased speed", wouldn't this imply he isn't actually going lightspeed via normal usage of his powers?
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No, that’s incorrect. You’re focusing on the wrong information
The “increased speed” thing isn’t what I’m using to prove lightspeed stuff. The two Takanuva scans I linked above are proof that Takanuva in fact uses legitimate light, ergo his elemental attacks should be SoL
I’m not necessarily arguing he’s lightspeed in terms of combat speed, only that his light attacks are. Though if there’s any instances of characters dodging his light attacks and Takanuva scaling to those characters, then that’s worth discussing
Point being, even without the experimentation line, Takanuva is using legitimate light. That’s undeniable. He is using literal light
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Could we get more Thread Mods to look at this please, it's 7 months since it was posted: https://vsbattles.com/threads/resizing-retiering-the-gsr.175098/
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pretty dead thread but I'll post it anyways
Nuva symbols disperse giant clouds which cover large portions of mata nui
I got it to city level via water vaporization, and country level via KE, do we think this would scale to the toa nuva directly, only to the Nova blasts, or does it not scale in any way?
Nuva symbols disperse giant clouds which cover large portions of mata nui
I got it to city level via water vaporization, and country level via KE, do we think this would scale to the toa nuva directly, only to the Nova blasts, or does it not scale in any way?
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I think it would scale to the Toa Nuva.
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Agreed
Who knows, it’d it gets high results, it could mean the Inika/Mahri and Piraka get upgrades too given that they scale to the Toa Nuva
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Nuva Cube Disperses Cloud
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I did do a calc of it on a different site, I'll see about copying it over and hopefully getting it approved. Even if only the lower end gets accepted I think it would be a good replacement or supporting calc for the current calc the nuva scale to, since that uses pixel scaling on a map that is confirmed to be not to scale.
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A possible upgrade for Bionicle ?Nuva Cube Disperses Cloud
I did do a calc of it on a different site, I'll see about copying it over and hopefully getting it approved. Even if only the lower end gets accepted I think it would be a good replacement or supporting calc for the current calc the nuva scale to, since that uses pixel scaling on a map that is confirmed to be not to scale.
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Questions.
Do you think the Mata Nui Robot should be considered straight 4-C? Teridax claimed multiple times that he could destroy entire universes, and WoG clarified that he could achieve this over time by systematically destroying planets and suns. Moreover, the planets within the Solis Magna system appear to be much larger than Earth, as Mata Nui is shown visiting several of them during his journey.
Should each Legendary Kanohi be rated as High 5-A, since the Prototype Mata Nui Robot used the power of the Ignika to restore Spherus Magna to its original state after the three planetary fragments were reunited, and because all Legendary Kanohi are considered to scale to one another?
Should all Makuta be rated as 6-C, since they are at least equal to or stronger than beings such as Axonn and Brutaka, and because the Makuta of Karda Nui were holding back against the Toa Nuva, who, according to Onua, could have killed them if they had fought with actual killing attempts?
Do you think the Mata Nui Robot should be considered straight 4-C? Teridax claimed multiple times that he could destroy entire universes, and WoG clarified that he could achieve this over time by systematically destroying planets and suns. Moreover, the planets within the Solis Magna system appear to be much larger than Earth, as Mata Nui is shown visiting several of them during his journey.
Should each Legendary Kanohi be rated as High 5-A, since the Prototype Mata Nui Robot used the power of the Ignika to restore Spherus Magna to its original state after the three planetary fragments were reunited, and because all Legendary Kanohi are considered to scale to one another?
Should all Makuta be rated as 6-C, since they are at least equal to or stronger than beings such as Axonn and Brutaka, and because the Makuta of Karda Nui were holding back against the Toa Nuva, who, according to Onua, could have killed them if they had fought with actual killing attempts?
