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Bionicle General Discussion Thread

I'm unsure of this calc's validity because Greg has said this about the map being referenced:

Matoran Universe Map​

  • Greg: "I don't think Ameet worried enormously about making sure every size was just right. They were working off a map I drew, and I am not an artist and wasn't worrying enormously about proportion so much as relative location."
  • Greg, on Voya Nui's size: "I think they wanted it to be prominent on the map, because it is a location kid are familiar with." Greg himself thinks Voya Nui is a little big.

This map might be more accurate to use (even though the GSR might not be to scale)
Faber+Files_2001-2008.jpg
 
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
I'm unsure of this calc's validity because Greg has said this about the map being referenced:

Matoran Universe Map​

  • Greg: "I don't think Ameet worried enormously about making sure every size was just right. They were working off a map I drew, and I am not an artist and wasn't worrying enormously about proportion so much as relative location."
  • Greg, on Voya Nui's size: "I think they wanted it to be prominent on the map, because it is a location kid are familiar with." Greg himself thinks Voya Nui is a little big.

This map might be more accurate to use (even though the GSR might not be to scale)
Faber+Files_2001-2008.jpg
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The size of Bionicle's islands is unclear, but I think it might be useful to review the calculations for their sizes. @Promestein
 
Teridax (Great Spirit Robot)

Tier: High 5-A, possibly 4-C up to 3-A

Attack Potency: Brown Dwarf level (Can destroy Bara Magna with a single burst of gravity, and would have devastated the planet in his fight with Mata Nui, and can pull its moons in to recreate the even larger Spherus Magna. Sees the Mask of Life with all its powers as a dust mote), possibly Star level up to Universe level (Claims to have enough power to decimate entire universes and rule all of reality, and it was hinted that he can conquer the universe of planets, suns and stars, and Greg Farshtey said that the Great Spirit Robot can destroy suns)

Durability: Brown Dwarf level (Claims that he would have survived Bara Magna's collapse if he had fired the gravitational energy blast toward the planet. Took numerous blows and energy blasts from Mata Nui)
 
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The first image is the one where Teridax claims to have enough power to decimate entire universes and rule all of reality, and the second suggests that Teridax can conquer a real universe of planets, suns and stars.

Basically, in the story: Journey's End, Teridax claimed that the Great Spirit Robot had enough power to decimate entire universes and rule all of reality. This claim is 'somewhat' supported by the previous story: Reign of Shadows, where the narration suggests that Teridax can conquer an entire universe of planets, suns, and stars, coupled with Greg Farshtey's statement that the Great Spirit Robot is capable of destroying a universe overtime. While this may not be strong enough for a straight 3-A tier, a "High 5-A, possibly 4-C up to 3-A" tier could work.
 
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Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
Might you know of any water pressure based calculations? The toa and matoran are able to survive and live in the depths of Mahri Nui, which if we are to believe this video is way deeper than the Challenger Deep
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You should send this video to any calc member of this wiki for review. This might potentially upgrade the characters, who knows.
 
But any character with interstellar travel capabilities and star+ or so DC can destroy the universe given enough time.
 
Neutralino said:
But any character with interstellar travel capabilities and star+ or so DC can destroy the universe given enough time.
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Most of DC's characters are either 3-C or 2-C though. A possible 4-C, up to 3-A rather than a straight 3-A tier seems reasonable and not too far-fetched.
 
Elizio33 said:
Most of DC's characters are either 3-C or 2-C though. A possible 4-C, up to 3-A rather than a straight 3-A tier seems reasonable and not too far-fetched.
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I don't see the point. A building buster can destroy a city over time. This doesn't make them a city buster. And so on for any of the tiers.
 
Hello, I don't know if this has been answered before, but I have a question. Officially, VS Battles categorizes Nova Blasts as island level, and I have seen the calculations involved (which yield a result of 22 gigatons). However, I have also seen calculations here in VS Battles that quantify the only Nova Blast we have actually seen in action (Gali's Water Nova Blast, which destroyed the island of Karzahni) as megaton level. Is there anything that explains such a big discrepancy in power? I'm not trying to be skeptical, just curious.
 
Crstnbrrz said:
Hello, I don't know if this has been answered before, but I have a question. Officially, VS Battles categorizes Nova Blasts as island level, and I have seen the calculations involved (which yield a result of 22 gigatons). However, I have also seen calculations here in VS Battles that quantify the only Nova Blast we have actually seen in action (Gali's Water Nova Blast, which destroyed the island of Karzahni) as megaton level. Is there anything that explains such a big discrepancy in power? I'm not trying to be skeptical, just curious.
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I think it was stated somewhere that a Nova Blast can wipe out a place as large as Metru Nui, but I'm not entirely sure.
 
This is a bit of an odd request, but it anyone has a Mahri Matoro figure, could they measure it's height in cm and submerge it in water to find its volume?

It's needed for a calc
 
Elizio33 said:
I think it was stated somewhere that a Nova Blast can wipe out a place as large as Metru Nui, but I'm not entirely sure.
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Yes, you're right, that was a statement about an hypothetical Fire Nova Blast from Jaller. But if we consider that statement (and the calculations involved) as valid, why was Gali's Water Nova Blast "only" megaton level?
 
Crstnbrrz said:
Yes, you're right, that was a statement about an hypothetical Fire Nova Blast from Jaller. But if we consider that statement (and the calculations involved) as valid, why was Gali's Water Nova Blast "only" megaton level?
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Elizio33 said:
I think it was stated somewhere that a Nova Blast can wipe out a place as large as Metru Nui, but I'm not entirely sure.
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It was a lot higher than that. I calced it to High 6A.
vsbattles.fandom.com

Jaller vaporizes hundreds of miles of water with a nova blast

vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com
 
Neutralino said:
It was a lot higher than that. I calced it to High 6A.
vsbattles.fandom.com

Jaller vaporizes hundreds of miles of water with a nova blast

vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com
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Yes, you're talking about Jaller's hypothetical Fire Nova Blast, but I'm talking about Gali's Water Nova Blast on Karzahni, which was quantified as megaton level in a certain blog post on VS Battles. I can send you the link if you want. My point is, why is her Nova Blast so much weaker than Jaller's, based on your calculations (and those of others) for the latter?
 
Crstnbrrz said:
Yes, you're talking about Jaller's hypothetical Fire Nova Blast, but I'm talking about Gali's Water Nova Blast on Karzahni, which was quantified as megaton level in a certain blog post on VS Battles. I can send you the link if you want. My point is, why is her Nova Blast so much weaker than Jaller's, based on your calculations (and those of others) for the latter?
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Kopaka Nuva feared that he could freeze all of Karda Nui with a Nova Blast, and according to WoG, a Nova Blast could potentially destroy a planet if left uncontrolled and outside of the Great Spirit Robot. However, these are just statements from the author that were not even shown or mentioned in the story.
 
Additionally, the Golden Skinned Being should have a variable level for his dream fulfillment abilities, and it would look like this:

Tier: Varies, ranges from 6-C to 5-B

Attack Potency: Varies (He cannot actively use his powers, instead passively turning the dreams and desires of those around him into reality), ranges from Island level (Created the Skakdi Fortress, which Kopaka Nuva claimed was large enough for all of Metru Nui to fit inside of it) to Planet level (Created the World of Annona's Doom, a planet in another star system to which he transported Annona)

I don't know if it's already on his profile but he brainwashed five of the Toa Mahri and teleported a part of the Great Spirit Robot without Makata in that body knowing.
 
Sorry for the third post in a row, but if the GSR can't be Universe-level, I have another proposal that doesn't change the current stats:

Teridax (Great Spirit Robot)

Tier: High 5-A, possibly 4-C

Attack Potency: Brown Dwarf level (Can destroy Bara Magna with a single burst of gravity, and would have devastated the planet in his fight with Mata Nui in the Prototype Robot, and can pull its moons in to recreate the even larger Spherus Magna. Sees the Ignika with all its powers as a dust mote), possibly Star level (Claims to be able to decimate entire universes and rule all of reality, which Greg Farshtey clarified was a process over time by destroying planets and suns)

Durability: Brown Dwarf level (Claims that he would have survived Bara Magna's collapse if he had fired the gravitational energy blast toward the planet. Took numerous blows and energy blasts from Mata Nui)
 
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Crstnbrrz said:
Yes, you're talking about Jaller's hypothetical Fire Nova Blast, but I'm talking about Gali's Water Nova Blast on Karzahni, which was quantified as megaton level in a certain blog post on VS Battles. I can send you the link if you want. My point is, why is her Nova Blast so much weaker than Jaller's, based on your calculations (and those of others) for the latter?
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Elizio33 said:
Kopaka Nuva feared that he could freeze all of Karda Nui with a Nova Blast, and according to WoG, a Nova Blast could potentially destroy a planet if left uncontrolled and outside of the Great Spirit Robot. However, these are just statements from the author that were not even shown or mentioned in the story.
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Greg stated that the Great Spirit Robot weakens all Nova Blasts used within it and that ones used outside it are much stronger.

Chat with Greg Farshtey | Page 882

Page 882 of Chat with Greg Farshtey.
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