Bionicle General Discussion Thread

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

There's really no evidence that suggests the toa destroyed the entire cord by firing at a specific section of it. Their cordak blasters don't have the DC for that, and this calc ultimately relies on DC.

Well, how much of the cord did they destroy?

 

[Neutralino]

Well, how much of the cord did they destroy?

All six Toa Mahri wheeled as one, aimed, and unleashed the power of their Cordak blasters. The small projectiles flew rapidly through the water, all of them impacting the same spot on the cord. An instant later, a massive explosion ripped through the stone structure, tearing it in two.

This isn't exactly quantifiable besides ripping through its diameter. But nothing says how much of the cord was destroyed, and we can't jump to assume the entire cord was destroyed without evidence. The linked cutscene doesn't show the entire cord destroyed, either.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

The linked cutscene doesn't show the entire cord destroyed, either.

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Although what about @DMUA's comment on the calc?

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

I realized that I may have messed up with the pixel scaling and ended up redoing the entire calc, the GSR is still High 5-A despite being smaller: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...Great_Spirit_Robot_and_Spherus_Magna_re-sized

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Great Spirit Robot and Spherus Magna "Canon" size

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Elizio33]

Great Spirit Robot and Spherus Magna "Canon" size

vsbattles.fandom.com

Any news ?

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Any news ?

Unfortunately no, no one wants to look at either calc

 

[Elizio33]

Unfortunately no, no one wants to look at either calc

Okay. It's unfortunate. Perhaps we could at least start making a CRT to upgrade the Mata Nui Robot to a straight tier 4-C, based on the assertion of progressive universal destruction present in both the stories and WoG, the latter implying planetary and solar destruction.

Joking aside, one can argue for upgrading the Robot to High 4-C by the simple "logic" that the sun in the Bionicle universe must be larger than our sun to sustains planets as large as Spherus Magna.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Joking aside, one can argue for upgrading the Robot to High 4-C by the simple "logic" that the sun in the Bionicle universe must be larger than our sun to sustains planets as large as Spherus Magna.

I still would prefer using the calc with the smaller GSR size, otherwise how do we justify the Island of Mata Nui being smaller than the GSR’s face

 

[Elizio33]

I still would prefer using the calc with the smaller GSR size, otherwise how do we justify the Island of Mata Nui being smaller than the GSR’s face

Yeah. Unless we attempt a calculation to resize the island of Mata Nui according to the in-universe size of the Great Spirit Robot.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Yeah. Unless we attempt a calculation to resize the island of Mata Nui according to the in-universe size of the Great Spirit Robot.

Well could we at least get more people to look at this please: https://vsbattles.com/threads/resizing-retiering-the-gsr.175098/

 

[Elizio33]

I know there's already a discussion about modifying the canonical size of the Great Spirit Robot, based on the proportions proposed by Christian Faber. However, I'd like to suggest an alternative approach: resizing the islands rather than the robot itself.

According to Greg Farshtey, the Great Spirit Robot is approximately 12,192 kilometers tall. It's also explicitly stated in the canon that the island of Mata Nui covers the Great Spirit Robot's face. Since the robot is clearly humanoid in structure, it's reasonable to apply standard humanoid proportions to correct this difference in scale.

In humanoid anatomy, the head (and by extension, the face) typically represents about one-eighth of the total body height. Applying this proportion to the Great Mind Robot, we obtain: 12,192 km × 1/8 = 1,524 km

According to this interpretation, the island of Mata Nui, which covers the robot's face, would be approximately 1,500 km long, not the much smaller canonical size, which seems inconsistent with the robot's established size.

Furthermore, Metru Nui is consistently depicted as being significantly smaller than Mata Nui and is described as being about one-seventh its length. Using the adjusted size above: 1,524 km ÷ 7 ≈ 218 km

This places Metru Nui's length at approximately 215–220 km, which better reflects its narrative role as a major but subordinate island, while maintaining proportional consistency with the Great Mind Robot's canonical height.

This approach preserves the established size of the robot, respects the narrative assertion that Mata Nui covers its face, and resolves the inconsistency of scale by adjusting auxiliary geographical measurements rather than altering a central canonical element.

In short, this would require a separate thread, but I simply wanted to share my proposal here. BTW these are my very first calcs.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

I know there's already a discussion about modifying the canonical size of the Great Spirit Robot, based on the proportions proposed by Christian Faber. However, I'd like to suggest an alternative approach: resizing the islands rather than the robot itself.

According to Greg Farshtey, the Great Spirit Robot is approximately 12,192 kilometers tall. It's also explicitly stated in the canon that the island of Mata Nui covers the Great Spirit Robot's face. Since the robot is clearly humanoid in structure, it's reasonable to apply standard humanoid proportions to correct this difference in scale.

In humanoid anatomy, the head (and by extension, the face) typically represents about one-eighth of the total body height. Applying this proportion to the Great Mind Robot, we obtain: 12,192 km × 1/8 = 1,524 km

According to this interpretation, the island of Mata Nui, which covers the robot's face, would be approximately 1,500 km long, not the much smaller canonical size, which seems inconsistent with the robot's established size.

Furthermore, Metru Nui is consistently depicted as being significantly smaller than Mata Nui and is described as being about one-seventh its length. Using the adjusted size above: 1,524 km ÷ 7 ≈ 218 km

This places Metru Nui's length at approximately 215–220 km, which better reflects its narrative role as a major but subordinate island, while maintaining proportional consistency with the Great Mind Robot's canonical height.

This approach preserves the established size of the robot, respects the narrative assertion that Mata Nui covers its face, and resolves the inconsistency of scale by adjusting auxiliary geographical measurements rather than altering a central canonical element.

In short, this would require a separate thread, but I simply wanted to share my proposal here. BTW these are my very first calcs.

I’m not sure if this really works. Even though it “fixes” the issue with the discrepancy between island’s size and the GSR’s size, whatever new size for island we get is technically not canon, especially in the face of multiple sources giving the island having a consistent size. I will also say that this is disingenuous because authorial intent always takes precedence over anything else in a story, and if the authorial intent is for the island to be 486 kilometers in length and 285 kilometers wide, then it should be 486 kilometers in length and 285 kilometers wide no matter what.

 

[Elizio33]

I’m not sure if this really works. Even though it “fixes” the issue with the discrepancy between island’s size and the GSR’s size, whatever new size for island we get is technically not canon, especially in the face of multiple sources giving the island having a consistent size. I will also say that this is disingenuous because authorial intent always takes precedence over anything else in a story, and if the authorial intent is for the island to be 486 kilometers in length and 285 kilometers wide, then it should be 486 kilometers in length and 285 kilometers wide no matter what.

Yes, I understand your point and I cannot dispute it, but these proportions for the island of Mata Nui were most likely established before the canonical size of the Great Spirit Robot (12,192 kilometers high) by Greg Farshtey. This lead to major inconsistencies regarding the feats of leveling islands such as Metru Nui, Karzahni, and even Mata Nui. I think that adjusting the size of the islands according to the canonical size of the GSR would not be an exaggeration, given that the established proportions of the islands do not correspond to those of the Robot. This will give us a much better idea of the true scale of the feats related to the islands.

 

[Elizio33]

I think we could upgrade the 6-C ranked characters to High 6-C, or even Low 6-B, although the latter option is more debatable.

 

[Elizio33]

What do you think?

 

[Lonkitt]

During the Bohrok Saga, the Toa Mata grew stronger than they were upon arriving on Mata Nui

 

[Lonkitt]

What do you think?

One sec

 

[Lonkitt]

I think we could upgrade the 6-C ranked characters to High 6-C, or even Low 6-B, although the latter option is more debatable.

Hey, sorry for how late this response is

Just to double check, what would the be the justifications for this? The Nuva feat, right?

 

[Elizio33]

I think Spherus Magna makes most sense at roughly ice-giant scale (Neptune/Uranus size). When Makuta (Mata Nui Robot) and Mata Nui (Prototype Robot) fought on Bara Magna, observers on that hemisphere could see the clash, but the curvature hid it from the far side. The robots dominate the local landscapes yet remain regional rather than global. Makuta, inside the Mata Nui Robot, could fold Bara Magna on itself and move one planet-sized moon with gravity. Mata Nui, inside the Prototype Robot, pulled the other moon with gravity. Together they bring the moons and Bara Magna back into alignment to restore Spherus Magna. Scaling the robots to these feats would easily place them at 5-A.

The "possibly 4-C" should stay because the Robot is stated multiple times to be capable of destroying a universe. WoG clarified that this is a gradual process achieved by sequentially destroying planets and suns. The time required depends on the universe’s size, and if the Robot were to make a sun go nova, it would significantly speed up the process.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]