Because this is a series where people expect beings infinitely more powerful to just insta wreck everything they come across, which goes against what plot typically demands.
Listen, I wouldn't mind these scalings, but I heavily doubt that would be accepted tbh.
People in this site are really stubborn, believe me I know for experience, specially in this verse. ovo
Literally, almost everyone of his scans follow the same thing.
I can make a case for 2-B to 2-A Zero btw.
Is it possible to apply the Discussion Rule I proposed earlier?
Please repost your suggested new rule.
Do not try to downgrade Arceus, the Creation Trio and characters who scale from them basing on them being harmed from Pokémon who are below 2-B/2-A in statistics, as those events have been discussed to exhaustion and dismissed as Plot-Induced Stupidity or Game Mechanics, given what the lore has estabilished and the feats they have showcased across all the medias solidly place them at 2-B/2-A.
That's still one non-primary source, where the creation trio still show tier 2 feats anyway. And again a "Varies" tier wouldn't be a solution to this either.
Not my point he still got harmed and that's pretty much it
I'm not talking about the part where he lost all of his plates, it's way before that you can clearly see that your 2-B Arceus had a hard time destroying the Meteor he was literally struggling + I don't think it would take serval seconds for a 2-B character to destroy a damm meteor unlike Arceus
They were consistently shown to be harmed by pokemons weaker than 2-B many times over and over again don't see how is that Pis
Because I'm simply being generous I don't have time to downgrade everyone so think that downgrading the Creation trio and Arceus first is the Right thing to do
I do realize that the movie is full of inconsistencies except it's not the case for the Creation Trio who were consistently shown to be on that level
Yes good Dialga was using his time powers during his fight and rewinded back time while Palkia was using his Space powers during his fight by opening portals across the universe nothing scales to AP especially when they got harmed by things far lesser than 2-B or 2-A which already says a lot but let me guess it's Pis right ?
The site rules not me , AP feats takes priority over KE and in that case the Meteor feat isn't anywhere near to 5-B by visuals
Even if we consider it as a legitimat AP feat (which is very questionable if it scales to it's regular stats) that would still be an Outlier since none of the ultra beasts in the entire pokemon series were shown to be anywhere near to that level
You can get harmed from weaker stuff in this state, you know? Arceus wasn't even damaged.
A thing that often happens in fiction. Lots of bloodlusted Tier 2s don't destroy the planet if they hit the ground to say one.
Bud that's not how it works. You either downgrade all of them or just don't. It'd be cherrypicking otherwise.
Using the move would make you use all the inconsistencies tho.
Of course, given I've already explained before in the other thread of yours, which people disagreed with because of such.
The more you're higher in tier, the more is more difficult to have other feats comparable to said tier, given the gaps between tiers and authors not caring about this isn't helping either.
Well, we got Yuri, Gyro and Kukui disagreeing, so I guess this can be applied already.
The meteor one is not fine as the AP feat contradict it's supposed KE as stated in the KE page :
And why not ?
Sorry, but I heavily disagree with how we handle Pokémon as a whole, so I'm not interested in partecipating in these types of CRTs.
Technically we can make a case about it busting all the planet rather than just the surface tbh, given that in manga they straight up say that if the meteor hits the Earth, there won't be a planet to reform anymore.
That's a pretty clear 5-B statement
At the very least, it's a 5-B feat, but that's good to know
Statements like "destroying the planet" is pretty vague as it can just refers to the planet surface or the planet as a whole especially when visual feats alone contradict it :
That's not what it says, it's simply saying that earth isn't gonna withstand the impact and everything on the planet will die and you are still ignoring the visual feat where the planet clearly didn't get destroyed
Can you try to calc this feat, this time with all the planet mass involved, and the 3 scans about them confirming it to be a full planet annihilation please?
The planet wiping statement was referring to the planet surface in the context literally supported by visual feats alone......I don't get it are you going against feats or what ? I'm starting to think that you are doing this on purpose at this point
Prove that sphere being the planet. Because the context and statements disprove it being such.
Well, I'm not against this idea tbh. If you want to make the thread about it then do lol.
