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Ben Tennyson vs Meliodas (sealed)
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Done
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Soooooooooooo what are your thoughts about this match?
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IIRC This Meliodas only has 7-A Durability when in Wrath
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Okay and? It's still combat applicable right?
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Yes, but Meliodas should start in Wrath because he's only 7-B (Above 14 Megatons) in all stats without Wrath other than AP (Lostvayne)
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Nvm then, Meliodas starts in Wrath as stated in the OP so this should be fair now
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Well assuming that Meliodas start in Wrath then who you think would win?
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Not sure tbh, Mel has the skill advantage in CQC while Ben has versatility.
Which Ben is this anyway?
And what do you mean "Speed equalized when Ben is transformed"
Is Ben starting as a human and not equalized in speed? If so, couldn't Mel blitz him due to the starting distance and Ben being unable to react?
Which Ben is this anyway?
And what do you mean "Speed equalized when Ben is transformed"
Is Ben starting as a human and not equalized in speed? If so, couldn't Mel blitz him due to the starting distance and Ben being unable to react?
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Ben turns goop and crushes him lmao.
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Fail save instantly transforms ben.
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OV version
It means before transformation speed isn't equalized since Ben has Faile safe anyway which prevent the blitz so I don't need to equalize speed before transformation
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Shouldn't that be added in the Profile (Ben's and the Omnitrix's) as Instinctive Reaction with Omnitrix Failsafe?
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It's not
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yeah that's true, but they do take into account the fail save transformation speed.
Anyway after a some time to think I say ben wins. Since morals are off, ben will go goop and crush meliodas, if that doesn't work then he goes echo echo then duplicates a lot then he goes into a relatively more powerful alien. Aliens like goop, ghost freak, clockwork, and gravattack are all capable of killing meliodas.
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Speed: Massively FTL+ with its fully charged self-destruct mode, failsafe transformation speed and Alien X (Can send out energy ripples that can destroy the entire universe in a short period of time, Alien X can recreate the universe in an instant)
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Does that say Instinctive Reaction in the P&A?
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..... No
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Then why bring up a speed rating when my comment was about the P&As in the profiles?
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I guess the omnitrix just reacts to stuff at that speed and it isn't necessarily instinctive reaction.
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Would that be affected by speed equalization? Because in my understanding, Ben would have athlete level speed, and MFTL+ reaction speed with Omnitrix Failsafe
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Basically this
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Since speed is equal, the fail save will still save ben from meliodas.
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Omg this brings me back... so quick backstory I debated a guy on Ben vs Wrath Meliodas for 6 months and then decided to join VSBW (to do upgrades I still didn't do yet). So eh needless to say I got some input on this thread, although kinda pre-occupied for the moment.
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Also just let Ben start as an alien and then equalize speed, to avoid the needless bickering about speed, something that shouldn't matter in a speed equal match.
Also @Bleach big surprise but the Omnitrix page is outdated, not sure if tech counts as instinctive reaction though. It also only activates when Ben's about to die so it's calculative reaction, not instinctive. And whether it's affected by speed equal is up in the air, it shouldn't really though (or at least keep it's relative speed difference) due to reasons having to do with the Ultimatrix transformation.
Also @Bleach big surprise but the Omnitrix page is outdated, not sure if tech counts as instinctive reaction though. It also only activates when Ben's about to die so it's calculative reaction, not instinctive. And whether it's affected by speed equal is up in the air, it shouldn't really though (or at least keep it's relative speed difference) due to reasons having to do with the Ultimatrix transformation.
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Okay Ben start as swampfire
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Meliodas has resistance to heat and has superior combat to swampfire, ben switches to echo echo duplicates to like 10 clones and transforms each one to powerful aliens. Ghost freak, Gravattack, clockwork, and goop are all capable of killing meliodas. Meliodas clones have their power split, full counter is useless and regen is pretty weak. Ben has a lot of win conditions such as goop crushing him, meliodas can't touch ghostfreak, gravattack can incapacitate. Clockwork is just broken lmao. So yeah I think ben wins here.
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Wrath meliodas is effectively bloodlusted and spams massive black fire and darkness attacks. What exactly does Ben do to that?
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Actually how high is Meliodas into 7-A? Ben 7-A aliens are around 352 Meg iirc
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Apparently he upscales from 71 megatons.
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He scales massive above baseline
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...isn't 71 Megatons only 7-B??
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Meliodas in Wrath should be above baseline Mountain level
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Not in wrath. With Lostvayne.
7-A for the verse comes from upscaling from a 7-B+ calc or wtv, and Meliodas fodderized the baseline mountain level Albion. Casually diced his arm into 6 or 7 pieces. He can them amp with Wrath.
7-A for the verse comes from upscaling from a 7-B+ calc or wtv, and Meliodas fodderized the baseline mountain level Albion. Casually diced his arm into 6 or 7 pieces. He can them amp with Wrath.
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Well the AP difference shouldn't be that big then considering Ben aliens scales to Diamondhead who is way above 352 Meg
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Cool so one ben can take attacks from meliodas so say echo echo makes 10 bens all the same power level. Then you have a variety of powerful aliens like ghost freak who I think meliodas can't touch I think, and meliodas' darkness can actually make ghost freak stronger since he gets stronger in darkness plus meliodas isn't resistant to stuff like possession. Ben has too many win conditions I still think he wins.
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How is the possession performed?
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Ghost freak has the ability to go intangible and possess somebody by phasing though his body and can even destroy souls
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