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If nobody made counterarguments why is it being added
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because people voted? like, grace period exists for people to come and give counter arguments, if they don't appear, that is honestly their problemIf nobody made counterarguments why is it being added
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Because no one was able to make counterarguments to Eatle. I honestly consider that a stomp.If nobody made counterarguments why is it being added
If you can make an argument, go ahead.FRA Train without any of the One Piece supporters here, okey
Could work but isn´t him too slow? Luffy can sense intent and would know what happen before Ben transforms, unless Master control means that is instant in that case both would be equal in knowing the strategy of aging Luffy to dustClockwork can age him to dust
With physical attacks? Impossibleif ben go to ultimate hummoungosar or ultimate echo echo then he can one shot base luffy
Invisibility is useless but his intangibility is one that Haki can´t do anything, he has low stamina if intangible or I am wrong about this? so Luffy could if anything stall, but this is a fair pointBig Chill go invisible then phase thru Luffy via intangibility.
clock work can use time manipulation to become faster than luffy or to make luffy go slow motionCould work but isn´t him too slow? Luffy can sense intent and would know what happen before Ben transforms, unless Master control means that is instant in that case both would be equal in knowing the strategy of aging Luffy to dust
they are more than 10x stronger than luffyWith physical attacks? Impossible
this is begining of time skip luffyWano Luffy also face Apoo sound without too much problems and without usage of Haki (Monkey, you can clarify this better, my memories about this are not 100% clear, too much filler)
absolute zero freezing thoInvisible is useless but his intangibility is one that Haki can´t do anything, he has low stamina if intangible so Luffy could if anything stall, but this is a fair point
plus it is intangible as well, since nrg is literally made of radiationAnd obviously the radiation is gg, Doflamingo tanked a radiation attack though, but we can´t scale to Luffy and Ben´s radiation is gonna be superior
thought basedBut Master Control can change Ben aliens in a instant to a better suited one? Because if Luffy is facing Rath (example), Luffy completely destroys Rath, or Humungosour, four arms, etc etc
9-B luffy tanked a high 6-A attack and in Marineford he faced several guys who can one shot him physically and it does not happenedthey are more than 10x stronger than luffy
Still the same body to arguethis is begining of time skip luffy
Fairabsolute zero freezing tho
Then both would be equal in knowing the intent, depending of how he transform (like, at 5 meters) Luffy would stop himthought based
not gonna question it to avoid spoilers, but luffy is harmed by people comparable to him in the series right? plus blunt attacks are not a factor when ultimate hummungousaur attacks with explosive bones9-B luffy tanked a high 6-A attack and in Marineford he faced several guys who can one shot him physically and it does not happened
fairStill the same body to argue
well, there is the failsafe that would not make ben dieThen both would be equal in knowing the intent, depending of how he transform (like, at 5 meters) Luffy would stop him
would he go that before ben radition or absolute zero or possession and sould destroy gg?And Luffy gear second is a speedblitz in this match up
I don't really think ben from alien force or ultimate alien has a faile safe but then ben has Relativistic reaction speed so he should be able to react to Luffywell, there is the failsafe that would not make ben die
Not by physical strikes without special powers to get around themnot gonna question it to avoid spoilers, but luffy is harmed by people comparable to him in the series right? plus blunt attacks are not a factor when ultimate hummungousaur attacks with explosive bones
Yall made a thread without calling a single supporter in and we found out when grace was overAnyway Grace is over so I guess it's too late to argue for Luffy now
it is a failsafe that ben noted that the omnitrix has, so he shouldI don't really think ben from alien force or ultimate alien has a faile safe but then ben has Relativistic reaction speed so he should be able to react to Luffy
..Wanna explain this?
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Imagine waiting 1 year for something..Wanna explain this?
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Only in Omniverseit is a failsafe that ben noted that the omnitrix has, so he should
nopeOnly in Omniverse
I mean you can give your opinion about the match if you want (Yall made a thread without calling a single supporter in and we found out when grace was over
lmaoooo
See you in the thread removal(not like it's gonna count)
The match hasn't been added yet so if anyone has any counter arguments for Ben winning then pls bring them hereSee you in the thread removal
I get you. Ben's pretty haxxed in regards to aliens. Clockwork who effectively has pre-cog (can see when events will happen so he could just shoot a BFR/superaging laser at where Luffy'll be in 5 seconds or whatever), Big Chill has absolute zero freezing + intangibility, Waterhazard completely negs Luffy because water, NRG who is just a walking Chernobyl, Spidermonkey with his webs, Swampfire with sleep inducement etc.I already did a bit of arguing
I am not against Ben winning, he obviously has like 3 win conditions that are extremely easy, but things like "Nah, ultimate saur stomps him" are just wrong
Doesn't Big Chill also have the ability to freeze from the inside out ?I get you. Ben's pretty haxxed in regards to aliens. Clockwork who effectively has pre-cog (can see when events will happen so he could just shoot a BFR/superaging laser at where Luffy'll be in 5 seconds or whatever), Big Chill has absolute zero freezing + intangibility, Waterhazard completely negs Luffy because water, NRG who is just a walking Chernobyl, Spidermonkey with his webs, Swampfire with sleep inducement etc.
Luffy's a physical beast but he doesn't really have any answers to these AFAIK.
This is beginning of timeskip Luffy, I said precog because he only gets ADVANCED obs haki once he fights Katakuri, no?"Effectively has precog" to the dude with precog and telepathy
"Waterhazard completely negs Luffy because water" that's not how it walks
Luffy who resists sleep inducement
Half your wincons are dookie
Can't Goop go inside of Luffy body and then makes him explode ?This is beginning of timeskip Luffy, I said precog because he only gets ADVANCED obs haki once he fights Katakuri, no?
In regards to Waterhazard - Fair, it's standing water, right? Rain wouldn't weaken them but getting in the bath does, I know about that one scene with Aokiji.
Okay, Swampfire can also make acid which he doesn't resist. He also can excrete methane which is listed as gas manip so I don't think he resists that either.
Echo Echo has sound manip and can dupe himself on top of that and finally - Eatle. High 5-A and uses energy projection, so no amount of blunt force resistance is tanking that.
What can Luffy do?
Can't Goop go inside of Luffy body and then makes him explode ?
Basic Observation HakiThis is beginning of timeskip Luffy, I said precog because he only gets ADVANCED obs haki once he fights Katakuri, no?
Powers and Abilities
Initial Stage
- Precognition and Extrasensory Perception (Precognition, Enhanced Sight, Life Detection; Can sense the life energy in others, seeing if they are alive and when they die[15])
- Telepathy (Can read the minds of others, hearing their voices and thoughts[15])
- Enhanced Senses
- Enhanced Awareness (Can sense those near the user[10])
- Enhanced Hearing (Can hear the conversations of peoples kilometers away[10])
- Enhanced Vision (Users in training like Enel's vassals are shown to see kilometers away[15], and Aisa could do the same at birth[18]. More potent Kenbunshoku allows the user to see much further into the future)
- Aura Vision (Can see the auras of others[24])
- X-Ray Vision (Can look through walls to see the aura of others[24])
- Panoramic Vision (Their Haki is omnidirectional, allowing them to see all around them[15])
- Emotion Vision (Regularly sense the emotions and feelings of others[10])
- Soul Vision (Rayleigh said that Haki can see spiritual energy[10], and Usopp said that he could see spirits[24])
Intermediate Stage
- Information Analysis and Extrasensory Perception (Power Reading; Can sense the power levels of opponents[10][25])
- Enhanced Senses
- Instinctive Reaction (Kin'emon can sense and fight even without connection to his other senses, as his legs and torso moved around Punk Hazard using only his Kenbunshoku Haki and not any others[27][28][29]. Big Mom and Whitebeard can sense and fight while they're sleeping[30][31]. Rayleigh said that Luffy could unconsciously sense the emotions of living things[6])
YeahIn regards to Waterhazard - Fair, it's standing water, right? Rain wouldn't weaken them but getting in the bath does, I know about that one scene with Aokiji.
With Buso Haki, it blocks it out due to Haki counting as a forcefield on our site, which blocks gasses and such.Okay, Swampfire can also make acid which he doesn't resist. He also can excrete methane which is listed as gas manip so I don't think he resists that either.
And Luffy would either dodge said sound manip, amp his speed to outrun it, or he'd just body the clonesEcho Echo has sound manip and can dupe himself on top of that
AP stomps flat out aren't allowed here, it'd need to get restrictedand finally - Eatle. High 5-A and uses energy projection, so no amount of blunt force resistance is tanking that.
Can't Goop go inside of Luffy body and then makes him explode ?
Probably use one of his heavy hitter aliens like Fourarms or Humungosaur, and if that doesn't work he switches. This Ben has master control so he can change instantly with a thought.What are Ben's starting moves again
Wasn't goop able to do this though ?I considered writing that but Luffy's organs are just as stretchy as the rest of him so it'd be hard to rip him apart like that, I just didn't mention it. Hell, one of his most major techniques revolves around using his rubber body to pump his heart more. It's been stated it'd kill anyone else but he can use it because his heart is stretchy.