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Ben 10: Space beyond (Low 1-C upgrade)

MLP got Low 1-C upgrade for this ad infinitum thingy which is the same thing as I mentioned in my explanation
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Is My Little Pony Low 1-C? Let's Find Out.

I'm a bit bored right now, so let's try this. On this thread it was brought up that MLP could not only qualify for 2-A (Which is currently accepted), but Low 1-C. I will explain why. I would like to premise this by saying I want to keep this thread short and to the point. One of my issues with...
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Firestorm808 said:
The current staff agreement did not involve the use of "uncountable" timelines. I'm setting this aside for later clarification.
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Alright but what about higher temporality of space beyond. Which I proved without using the uncountably infinite universes argument?
 
@DarkDragonMedeus @Planck69 Thoughts on the revised description below:

The Space Beyond depicts a higher temporal dimension than those of the branching timelines. The banching timelines exist inside the Space Beyond. In Ben 10 Omniverse Season 6 Episode 1, Vilgax uses the Chronosapien Time Bomb to destroy all branching timelines except No Watch Ben's Timeline. The Space Beyond was unaffected by the CTB and the destruction of the timeline branches. It is not bound by the temporality of the branching timelines. Since a Chronosapien's time powers only work with a higher temporal dimension existing, Clockwork was able to use his abilities with the Space Beyond's Temporal Dimension to bring back the other lower temporal dimensions.
 
1-B upgrade was ass(namely because VSBW is loose with it's standards for dimensional tiering), but this seems okay-ish. Transcendences over 2-A are generally qualified as 5-D, so the only real issue is the fact that they state "ad infinitum" which could mean potential infinity, rather than actual infinity, in which case it'd be 2-B, so it would need clarifications on that part

As for higher temporal dimension, it follows how?
 
Firestorm808 said:
@DarkDragonMedeus @Planck69 Thoughts on the revised description below:

The Space Beyond depicts a higher temporal dimension than those of the branching timelines. The banching timelines exist inside the Space Beyond. In Ben 10 Omniverse Season 6 Episode 1, Vilgax uses the Chronosapien Time Bomb to destroy all branching timelines except No Watch Ben's Timeline. The Space Beyond was unaffected by the CTB and the destruction of the timeline branches. It is not bound by the temporality of the branching timelines. Since a Chronosapien's time powers only work with a higher temporal dimension existing, Clockwork was able to use his abilities with the Space Beyond's Temporal Dimension to bring back the other lower temporal dimensions.
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Looks alright.
 
Firestorm808 said:
@DarkDragonMedeus @Planck69 Thoughts on the revised description below:

The Space Beyond depicts a higher temporal dimension than those of the branching timelines. The banching timelines exist inside the Space Beyond. In Ben 10 Omniverse Season 6 Episode 1, Vilgax uses the Chronosapien Time Bomb to destroy all branching timelines except No Watch Ben's Timeline. The Space Beyond was unaffected by the CTB and the destruction of the timeline branches. It is not bound by the temporality of the branching timelines. Since a Chronosapien's time powers only work with a higher temporal dimension existing, Clockwork was able to use his abilities with the Space Beyond's Temporal Dimension to bring back the other lower temporal dimensions.
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If planck69 agrees with this then do we wait for more 48 hours or do we implement it?
 
Chaotic_Existentialist said:
1-B upgrade was ass(namely because VSBW is loose with it's standards for dimensional tiering), but this seems okay-ish. Transcendences over 2-A are generally qualified as 5-D, so the only real issue is the fact that they state "ad infinitum" which could mean potential infinity, rather than actual infinity, in which case it'd be 2-B, so it would need clarifications on that part

As for higher temporal dimension, it follows how?
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@Firestorm808 @Hellformer Do either of you have the clarifications here?
 
Chaotic_Existentialist said:
@Firestorm808 @Hellformer Do either of you have the clarifications here?
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The uncountably infinite argument is under revision by firestorm so this is what the staffs have concluded for now👇
Firestorm808 said:
@DarkDragonMedeus @Planck69 Thoughts on the revised description below:

The Space Beyond depicts a higher temporal dimension than those of the branching timelines. The banching timelines exist inside the Space Beyond. In Ben 10 Omniverse Season 6 Episode 1, Vilgax uses the Chronosapien Time Bomb to destroy all branching timelines except No Watch Ben's Timeline. The Space Beyond was unaffected by the CTB and the destruction of the timeline branches. It is not bound by the temporality of the branching timelines. Since a Chronosapien's time powers only work with a higher temporal dimension existing, Clockwork was able to use his abilities with the Space Beyond's Temporal Dimension to bring back the other lower temporal dimensions.
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Chaotic_Existentialist said:
What I got from @Firestorm808's conclusion is "because a reality is unbounded by the temporality of a lower one, it functions on a higher temporal dimension" which... isnt necessarily true. If I understood wrong, feel free to explain
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Read the further explanation i.e. the working of a Chronosapien's abilities and which is why it is necessary for space beyond to have a higher temporal dimension
 
Hellformer said:
The uncountably infinite argument is under revision by firestorm so this is what the staffs have concluded for now👇
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At the moment, we have verified the following:

A Single Number = A Single Separate Spactio-Temporal Layer
Aleph-0 = An infinite number set of Spactio-Separate Temporal Layers which fit inside a Single Timeline
Aleph-1 = An infinite number set of Timelines in which an infinite number set of Separate Temporal Layers fits inside each

It appears that the Ben 10 time tree itself meets Aleph 1.
 
Firestorm808 said:
At the moment, we have verified the following:

A Single Number = A Single Separate Spactio-Temporal Layer
Aleph-0 = An infinite number set of Spactio-Separate Temporal Layers which fit inside a Single Timeline
Aleph-1 = An infinite number set of Timelines in which an infinite number set of Separate Temporal Layers fits inside each

It appears that the Ben 10 time tree itself meets Aleph 1.
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So branching timelines, CTB's AP and Chronosapien'a range also get upgraded to Low 1-C? Damn.
Btw do you have any other explanation to add for branching timelines besides the ones which I have added?
 
Firestorm808 said:
At the moment, we have verified the following:

A Single Number = A Single Separate Spactio-Temporal Layer
Aleph-0 = An infinite number set of Spactio-Separate Temporal Layers which fit inside a Single Timeline
Aleph-1 = An infinite number set of Timelines in which an infinite number set of Separate Temporal Layers fits inside each

It appears that the Ben 10 time tree itself meets Aleph 1.
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^ this asw. When i went through this wiki's blog for ben 10, I was wondering why the multiverse wasnt already rated as 5-D, Infinite dimensions in a universe and infinite universes was an accepted meta, so per aleph continuum it'd be Aleph_1 4-D structures or an equivalent of 5-D
 

Branching Timelines (Low 1-C)​

"Power Set: The set of all subsets of a given set X, commonly denoted as 2^X or P(X). An example is the power set of {1, 3, 4}, which equals {∅, {1}, {3}, {4), {1, 3}, {1, 4}, {3, 4}, {1, 3, 4}}
This hierarchy is then extended unto Aleph Numbers whose subscript can be defined as being correspondent to any higher number, be it finite or infinite: ℵ2, ℵ3, ℵ4... ℵω, ℵω+1, ℵω+2, and so on and so forth, with each succeeding cardinal being equal to the power set of the previous one"
The cardinality of a power set is equal to 2^X if the the cardinality of superset is X. And each higher infinity is the powerset of the lower infinity, Implying that:
ℵ1 = 2^(ℵ0)
ℵ2 = 2^(ℵ 1)
So on and so forth.

"Paradox: As Gwen guessed, cross-time is made up of parallel versions of the history we know. There are hundreds of them... a world where Gwen found the Omnitrix, a world where albedo turned to alien x and was trapped motionless for nearly a year, a world where you didn't have to destroy the Omnitrix to defeat Vilgax.
Ben 10K: Et cetera.
Paradox: Ad infinitum.”

-Paradox and Ultimate Ben 10k

With Paradox and Ben 10K, Paradox listed the alternate timelines are parallel versions of history we know, referring prime universe being the history they know and alternative universe to be parallel versions of it, ending the conversation with ad infinitum, suggesting that existing timelines branch forever, again and again making this a continuous process of branching for each snapshot of Prime Ben's Timeline.

“Think of time and space as this tree. Down here is when you were 10 years old. Right here is now. Up here is when you'll 30 be years old. The trunk is the main timeline. These branches represent alternate timelines, where reality literally branches off and becomes a different timeline, each containing its own Ben Tennyson.”

The branches shown in the tree are alternate timelines with each branch arising from different snapshots of Prime Ben's timeline. And each such branch also branches further as seen in the tree. This continues ad infinitum i.e. forever again and again as mentioned earlier by Paradox.
Here are all known timelines which branch from different snapshots of Prime Ben's timeline.

So let's consider a snapshot "t" from Prime Ben's Timeline being branched to another Timeline. Then consider another snapshot "t+0.1" branching into another timeline. And doing it further with "t+0.01"th snapshot realizing that each there can be uncountably infinite number of snapshots branching into newer and newer timelines.
Which would be a total of ℵ0^(ℵ0) number of universes numerically greater than 2^(ℵ0).
This would mean that the branching timelines as a whole would qualify for Low 1-C

@Firestorm808 Do you want any changes/additions/corrections with this explanation?
 
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Hellformer said:
@Firestorm808 Sorry for bothering you but can you give a final opinion about the branching multiverse? So that it this thread can reach a final conclusion.
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Based on my current understanding, I do agree that the tree rating should match that of the MCU tree due to the same context and mechanics to reach an uncountable amount.

@DarkDragonMedeus
@Planck69

Thoughts?
 
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