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Ben 10: Re-Scaling the Low tiers

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Introduction​

Since past few days, the Ben 10 scaling has gone through a lot of ups and downs via Waybig's High 5-A downgrade along with Malware durability, hence in order to resolve that, this thread will focus on accurate scaling of characters i.e. something that everyone can agree with. So without further ado, let's dive into the Scaling.

The Scaling​

Waybig's AP:​

Waybig being one of the power house aliens of Ben, overpowered the conquest ray which was capable of destroying pluto. I'm taking in account the Pluto end because the earth end is controversial and with that being said, the energy value would be 3.7291597*10³⁵ Joules or 89.12906 Yottatons (5-A).
To maintain slight consistency with this tier 5 thingy, Evil Waybig who's DNA is the same as Ben's waybig could destroy a planet with ease. Finally, waybig was said to be capable of destroying small planets from WoG hence warranting his tier 5 rating being consistent with his feats.

In conclusion, Waybig's new tier would be 5-A (89.12906 Yottatons)

AP of Base Aliens:​

  • To begin with this, Kevin’s Absorption was stated to be 1/10th of whatever aliens he absorbed partially (also stated over here, thanks to @Celestial_Scaler25 ) In the UA series, Kevin absorbed the Ultimatrix (all the unlocked aliens) along with Ultimate Aggregor.
  • Listing all the unlocked aliens in the Ultimatrix who count for relevant AP.
    • 1. Humungousaur
    • 2. Bigchill
    • 3. Goop
    • 4. Chromastone
    • 5. Spidermonkey
    • 6. Swampfire
    • 7. Brainstorm
    • 8. Echo echo
    • 9. Jetray
    • 10. Canonbolt
    • 11. Diamondhead
    • 12. Upchuck
    • 13. Wildmutt
    • 14. Heatblast
    • 15. Fourarms
    • 16. Xlr8
    • 17. Ripjaws
    • 18. Ghostfreak
    • 19. Upgrade
    • 20. Waterhazard
    • 21. NRG
    • 22. Ampfibian
    • 23. Armodrillo
    • 24. Terraspin
    • 25. Lodestar
    • 26. Rath
    • 27. Alan (Kevin absorbed him too)
      • Ultimate Humungousaur (10X)
      • Ultimate Echo Echo (10X for defeating Ult Kevin)
      • Ultimate Spidermonkey (X)
      • Ultimate Bigchill (X)
      • Ultimate Swampfire (X)
      • Ultimate Canonbolt (6X for harming Ult aggregor)
  • I've excluded Alien X for being locked, Nanomech and Jury Rigg for not having significant AP value, waybig because his AP will be counted separately due to large gap and lastly Eatle, fasttrack and Clockwork due to getting unlocked after Ultimate Ben 10k fixed the Ultimatrix.
  • Ultimate aggregor completely absorbed all the 5 aliens of andromeda galaxy into him. (6X due to his own strength + other 5 aliens)
  • With all this info gathered (though this stuff was accepted before but I revised it), we can now start with the scale. Let the AP of Base aliens=X and AP of Waybig=W. Ultimate Kevin’s AP had his own base form's strength along with 1/10th of (Ultimatrix + Ultimate Aggregor). And later on he was shown on nearly par with Ultimate Humungousaur who is just 10x stronger than his base form.
  • Here's the equation we get: X+1/10*(27X+3X+20X+6X+6X+W)=10X Therefore, W=28X or X=W/28=3.1832 Yottatons (5-B)
  • Hence the AP of Base aliens would scale to 3.1832 Yottatons (5-B) and Ultimate forms of Humungousaur and Echo echo to 31.832 Yottatons (5-A) for being on par with Ult Kevin. Point to note: Waybig's AP=28*Base aliens=2.8*Ultimates
  • Vilgax who is comparable to base aliens in UAF, grew 10 times stronger than his Classic version. Hence his Classic version would be 1/10th of his UAF version which would be 0.31832 Yottatons (5-B).

Consistency with tier 5 rating of base aliens and Ultimates:​

Although this scaling metric was accepted long before but just thought of reiterating this stuff with consistency so that it seems acceptable for all.

Now for Humungousaur's height growth, few staffs have pointed out that the 5x multiplier is inapplicable due to insufficient evidence. Hence keeping that in mind, this would be his new tier:
Tier: 5-B, higher with full size | 5-A
Key: Base | Ultimate
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Conclusion​

Waybig: 89.12906 Yottatons (5-A)
Base Aliens: 3.1832 Yottatons (5-B)
Few Ultimates: 31.832 Yottatons (5-A)
Classic Aliens: 0.31832 Yottatons (5-B)

Agree: @Maverick_Zero_X @Elizhaa @Firestorm808
Disagree:
Neutral:
 
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Although we should see what happens with Galvanic Mechamorphs feats.

They'd help us get a more consistency with all of Ben's alien, especially since survived the blast from a small distance
 
I don't want to be insulted, I just want my ignorance to be answered politely.

Hellformer said:
Waybig being one of the power house aliens of Ben, overpowered the conquest ray which was capable of destroying pluto. I'm taking in account the Pluto end because the earth end is controversial and with that being said, the energy value would be 3.7291597*10³⁵ Joules or 89.12906 Yottatons (5-A).
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Way Big overcomes this ray with Cosmic Ray, right? Why not just Cosmic Ray 5-A, why is Way Big physically 5-A, have there been any characters tanked on Cosmic Ray?
Edit: now I saw Gwen vs Way Big in Ultimate Alien, but isnt Ben's alien being stronger to his Age? We also know that Ben practices with his aliens and makes them stronger, right? So after all, UA's Way Big shouldn't be taken as equal to OV Way Big?
Hellformer said:
To maintain slight consistency with this tier 5 thingy, Evil Waybig who's DNA is the same as Ben's waybig could destroy a planet with ease. Finally, waybig was said to be capable of destroying small planets from WoG hence warranting his tier 5 rating being consistent with his feats.
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isnt that movie is non-canon? so Matt Wayne the Story Editor said its Not, the Art Director DJW said thats Canon. but we know DJW's some weird words, so its canon or not?
Hellformer said:
waybig was said to be capable of destroying small planets from WoG
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yeah he says probably and a way small one, looks like 5-C
Hellformer said:
Kevin’s Absorption was stated to be 1/10th of whatever aliens he absorbed partially
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Who trusted the words of a snooty 10-year-old boy who didn't even know much about the Omnitrix? Have none of you ever made such sentences before? It's obvious that he was making a metaphor for Kevin's weakness. Even if it was approved before, I'm very surprised how it was approved now.

There's no change in Ultimate Way Big's 4-B, right?
 
Baabasaplar95 said:
Way Big overcomes this ray with Cosmic Ray, right? Why not just Cosmic Ray 5-A, why is Way Big physically 5-A, have there been any characters tanked on Cosmic Ray?
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Waybig has shown to be physically on par with present 3rd form Malware who could tank his Cosmic Ray. Even in the games their Cosmic beams were shown comparable to their physicals in terms of AP.
Baabasaplar95 said:
Edit: now I saw Gwen vs Way Big in Ultimate Alien, but isnt Ben's alien being stronger to his Age? We also know that Ben practices with his aliens and makes them stronger, right? So after all, UA's Way Big shouldn't be taken as equal to OV Way Big?
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The age gap isn't large enough to be considered seperate.
Baabasaplar95 said:
isnt that movie is non-canon? so Matt Wayne the Story Editor said its Not, the Art Director DJW said thats Canon. but we know DJW's some weird words, so its canon or not?
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The Canonicity has already been accepted, check the cosmology page.
Baabasaplar95 said:
yeah he says probably and a way small one, looks like 5-C
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The speed and timeframes change everything, my point was to maintain his tier 5 being consistent.
Baabasaplar95 said:
Who trusted the words of a snooty 10-year-old boy who didn't even know much about the Omnitrix? Have none of you ever made such sentences before? It's obvious that he was making a metaphor for Kevin's weakness. Even if it was approved before, I'm very surprised how it was approved now.
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Why would the authors include something like this to misinform the audience regarding the working of Kevin’s Absorption?
Baabasaplar95 said:
There's no change in Ultimate Way Big's 4-B, right?
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No
 
Baabasaplar95 said:
it Doesnt there
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Material with direct narrative connections to the show are considered secondary canon.

Material without direct narrative connections to the show are considered alternative canon.

Attempts to scale or use content from outside material to the show will be under scrutiny of compatibility with the primary source material.

Games:
• Vilgax Attack: Ben, Gwen, and Kevin are amazed that Mor Otesi is a real, which they thought was an legend in show,[9] also mentioned in the books, it actually exists.
• Cosmic Destruction: Psyphon tells about Pluto was destroyed long time ago, and this was shown in the show.[10] Albedo stated that Ben had previously blown up the Omnitrix and taken the Ultimatrix from Albedo, also this was shown in the show.[11]
 
Baabasaplar95 said:
Who trusted the words of a snooty 10-year-old boy who didn't even know much about the Omnitrix? Have none of you ever made such sentences before? It's obvious that he was making a metaphor for Kevin's weakness. Even if it was approved before, I'm very surprised how it was approved now.

There's no change in Ultimate Way Big's 4-B, right?
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For that, Aggregor needed a machine that he can absorb Andromeda alien's powers at full power
 
Baabasaplar95 said:
Who trusted the words of a snooty 10-year-old boy who didn't even know much about the Omnitrix? Have none of you ever made such sentences before? It's obvious that he was making a metaphor for Kevin's weakness. Even if it was approved before, I'm very surprised how it was approved now.
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It's rather consistent within the series. Both by Ben and Aggregor said confirmed this. Aggregor should be perfectly knowledgeable on the topic of Asmosians and this has multiple showing of being the case. Like how Kevin needs to mix different powers for them to be as strong as Ben's, Fourarms beings slightly stronger than OG Kevin 11, Kevin's diamond shard attack doing no damage to Diamondhead, Galapagus saying that Aggregor could only use the powers he ubsorbed at a much lesser strength, etc.
 
Can you improve the scaling chain notes a bit?

I can follow that the original series characters are 1/10th of Vilgax, who is 1/10th of his UAF self, who is scaling to 1/0th of Humungousaur's Ultimate Form, who is scaling to Ultimate Kevin 11.

But if the root of that scaling chain is Way Big then that needs to be noted on there as well a little more clearly. The calc that Way Big's scaling to also seems ot be missing from the calc list.
 
Damage3245 said:
Can you improve the scaling chain notes a bit?

I can follow that the original series characters are 1/10th of Vilgax, who is 1/10th of his UAF self, who is scaling to 1/0th of Humungousaur's Ultimate Form, who is scaling to Ultimate Kevin 11.

But if the root of that scaling chain is Way Big then that needs to be noted on there as well a little more clearly. The calc that Way Big's scaling to also seems ot be missing from the calc list.
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Yeah sure I will adjust all that by tomorrow. I'm tired right now.
 
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