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Introduction
Since past few days, the Ben 10 scaling has gone through a lot of ups and downs via Waybig's High 5-A downgrade along with Malware durability, hence in order to resolve that, this thread will focus on accurate scaling of characters i.e. something that everyone can agree with. So without further ado, let's dive into the Scaling.The Scaling
Waybig's AP:
Waybig being one of the power house aliens of Ben, overpowered the conquest ray which was capable of destroying pluto. I'm taking in account the Pluto end because the earth end is controversial and with that being said, the energy value would be 3.7291597*10³⁵ Joules or 89.12906 Yottatons (5-A).To maintain slight consistency with this tier 5 thingy, Evil Waybig who's DNA is the same as Ben's waybig could destroy a planet with ease. Finally, waybig was said to be capable of destroying small planets from WoG hence warranting his tier 5 rating being consistent with his feats.
In conclusion, Waybig's new tier would be 5-A (89.12906 Yottatons)
AP of Base Aliens:
- To begin with this, Kevin’s Absorption was stated to be 1/10th of whatever aliens he absorbed partially (also stated over here, thanks to @Celestial_Scaler25 ) In the UA series, Kevin absorbed the Ultimatrix (all the unlocked aliens) along with Ultimate Aggregor.
- Listing all the unlocked aliens in the Ultimatrix who count for relevant AP.
- 1. Humungousaur
- 2. Bigchill
- 3. Goop
- 4. Chromastone
- 5. Spidermonkey
- 6. Swampfire
- 7. Brainstorm
- 8. Echo echo
- 9. Jetray
- 10. Canonbolt
- 11. Diamondhead
- 12. Upchuck
- 13. Wildmutt
- 14. Heatblast
- 15. Fourarms
- 16. Xlr8
- 17. Ripjaws
- 18. Ghostfreak
- 19. Upgrade
- 20. Waterhazard
- 21. NRG
- 22. Ampfibian
- 23. Armodrillo
- 24. Terraspin
- 25. Lodestar
- 26. Rath
- 27. Alan (Kevin absorbed him too)
- Ultimate Humungousaur (10X)
- Ultimate Echo Echo (10X for defeating Ult Kevin)
- Ultimate Spidermonkey (X)
- Ultimate Bigchill (X)
- Ultimate Swampfire (X)
- Ultimate Canonbolt (6X for harming Ult aggregor)
- I've excluded Alien X for being locked, Nanomech and Jury Rigg for not having significant AP value, waybig because his AP will be counted separately due to large gap and lastly Eatle, fasttrack and Clockwork due to getting unlocked after Ultimate Ben 10k fixed the Ultimatrix.
- Ultimate aggregor completely absorbed all the 5 aliens of andromeda galaxy into him. (6X due to his own strength + other 5 aliens)
- With all this info gathered (though this stuff was accepted before but I revised it), we can now start with the scale. Let the AP of Base aliens=X and AP of Waybig=W. Ultimate Kevin’s AP had his own base form's strength along with 1/10th of (Ultimatrix + Ultimate Aggregor). And later on he was shown on nearly par with Ultimate Humungousaur who is just 10x stronger than his base form.
- Here's the equation we get: X+1/10*(27X+3X+20X+6X+6X+W)=10X Therefore, W=28X or X=W/28=3.1832 Yottatons (5-B)
- Hence the AP of Base aliens would scale to 3.1832 Yottatons (5-B) and Ultimate forms of Humungousaur and Echo echo to 31.832 Yottatons (5-A) for being on par with Ult Kevin. Point to note: Waybig's AP=28*Base aliens=2.8*Ultimates
- Vilgax who is comparable to base aliens in UAF, grew 10 times stronger than his Classic version. Hence his Classic version would be 1/10th of his UAF version which would be 0.31832 Yottatons (5-B).
Consistency with tier 5 rating of base aliens and Ultimates:
- Waybig knocked out all the Ultimate aliens with a singe attack after which they were able to get up and decided to retreat, which would make sense if Waybig was only 2.8 times stronger (small gap basically) than them. If they were to have a very large gap, this wouldn't make sense.
- Waybig no diffed Rath in a single punch such that he couldn't even get up on himself. This is would only make sense if the gap between them wasn't large enough otherwise the failsafe would've been activated.
- Applying the same logic as the previous point, Waybig no diffed Gwen while not holding back.
Now for Humungousaur's height growth, few staffs have pointed out that the 5x multiplier is inapplicable due to insufficient evidence. Hence keeping that in mind, this would be his new tier:
Tier: 5-B, higher with full size | 5-A
Key: Base | Ultimate
Conclusion
Waybig: 89.12906 Yottatons (5-A)Base Aliens: 3.1832 Yottatons (5-B)
Few Ultimates: 31.832 Yottatons (5-A)
Classic Aliens: 0.31832 Yottatons (5-B)
Agree: @Maverick_Zero_X @Elizhaa @Firestorm808
Disagree:
Neutral:
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