Ben 10 omniverse disregard everything? Aswell as reboots downgrading Alien x

[Mack13672]

Ok so in the first video paradox states that in the space beyond there is another universe. He also states that universe is devoid of all logic(ben 10 omniverse reboot is probably that universe). Then kevin ask isn’t the universe everything then paradox says its a common error of the mind and there is more to reality. But then you go to omniverse when ben says the universe is everything there ever was and Alien x states technically was. Does that mean reboots shouldn’t be taken likely because it seems with every reboot alien x powers are getting nerfed. They also disregard things said in the previous series trilogy .We got the final reboot of alien x being insanely nerf. Should we have a separate category for alien x because every reboot he gets nerfed and they don’t follow the first series.

 

[Imaginym]

Bumping for interest.

 

[Greenshifter]

Nah Ben’s just being stupid when he says the universe is everything there is. That said you could make the argument that the Annihilaargh destroys the timestream.

We’re still discussing Alien X in another thread but for now I think the special is just filled with PIS.

 

[Gohanblanco217]

PIS

This

 

[Mack13672]

Nah Ben’s just being stupid when he says the universe is everything there is. That said you could make the argument that the Annihilaargh destroys the timestream.

We’re still discussing Alien X in another thread but for now I think the special is just filled with PIS.

But then alien x wouldn’t have agreed with it?

 

[Mack13672]

iirc they only agreed that they'd get destroyed... which opens another can of worms, but not really relevant to the point at hand.

They agreed to bens statement only correcting was as in the universe was everything.

 

[Greenshifter]

hold up yeah I misunderstood you, gimme a sec

 

[Mack13672]

hold up yeah I misunderstood you, gimme a sec

Yeah paradox debunked that statement “The universe is everything” in the previous series when kevin asked the question in the first video

 

[Greenshifter]

They only corrected Ben on the "was" instead of "is". Normally you'd have a point but it wouldn't make sense for the cosmology to be retconned like that or for the entire omniverse to have been destroyed by the Annihilaargh.

 

[Greenshifter]

Don't forget that Ben was playing on pathos here as well to convince Bellicus and Serena, that doesn't fully discredit him but it does explain why he wants the threat to be seen as big as it can possibly be (even thought that shouldn't work on nigh-omniscients).

 

[Mack13672]

They only corrected Ben on the "was" instead of "is". Normally you'd have a point but it wouldn't make sense for the cosmology to be retconned like that or for the entire omniverse to have been destroyed by the Annihilaargh.

But im saying that alien x statements to ben were illogical compared to paradox statements. Paradox has been shown to be on a level of higher existence as shown that he has a treaty where he cannot come within 500 light years of them. Paradox stated there are other universes beside the one they occupy. Alien implies there is only one single universe and everything exist in it. I just feel like omniverse whole scene was just plot induced stupidity because it doesn’t even follow the old series knowledge.

 

[Mack13672]

Don't forget that Ben was playing on pathos here as well to convince Bellicus and Serena, that doesn't fully discredit him but it does explain why he wants the threat to be seen as big as it can possibly be (even thought that shouldn't work on nigh-omniscients).

Bellicus and Serena already know about the threat even if he made the threat as big as possible still doesn’t discredit paradox statements about other universes that exist beyond instead of one universe being everything. If alien x can recreate the universe why can’t it recreate the taste of mr.smoothie? Just plot b.s. Also ben talking about how he couldn’t get the recipe just right but alien x Bellicus and Serena took control so doesn’t make any sense. Bellicus also states next time the universe and everything is destroyed Dont come crying to me.

 

[Greenshifter]

So PIS? Agreed.

 

[Gohanblanco217]

So PIS? Agreed.

It has already been agreed...