Ben 10 General Discussion Thread

[Reiner04]

Ben 10: Small revision

Note 2: Ben using Alien X's DNA to cut through the Contumelia's Extra-Dimensional Barrier is unquantifiable. While the Contumelia Ship was undamaged by the Annihilargh's Big Bang, it has been damaged by far less such as Grey Matter breaking one of it's metal pipes and the combined Time Cycles...

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[Ghengiroo115]

Does this mean Eon could get 2-B to 2-A through absorption? In fact it might even be 2-A to 1-B given how he says he’ll replace the “timeline” with one where he’s the only Ben, which obviously wouldn’t make sense unless he’s referring to the timestream instead.

As for how he could get that strong, it probably has something to do with the two Bens being Ben Prime and future Ben Prime.

 

[Reiner04]

Does this mean Eon could get 2-B to 2-A through absorption? In fact it might even be 2-A to 1-B given how he says he’ll replace the “timeline” with one where he’s the only Ben, which obviously wouldn’t make sense unless he’s referring to the timestream instead.

As for how he could get that strong, it probably has something to do with the two Bens being Ben Prime and future Ben Prime.

Or that he would kill all of ben Tennyson till he left the only one. This way he also replaced the old timeline with new one.

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Or that he would kill all of ben Tennyson till he left the only one. This way he also replaced the old timeline with new one.

To me his wording implies it’s like a destruction-recreation thing.

Also if it isn’t that then it should at least qualify for infinite speed, since there’s infinite Bens to kill and he’d be killing them one by one.

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Ben 10: High 6-A, possibly Low 5-B? upgrade.

So currently everyone scales to Armodrillo feat which was calc'd to 6-C. I re-calc'd this and goop feat which gave me high 6-A as a result and there are several other calcs which are high 6-A anyway. Armodrillo feat (2.599386266666667e+28 Joules), 3.868388 times that of Goop pulling back...

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This was uh… pretty unfortunate timing lol

 

[Reiner04]

Mid tiers solos so nuh uh.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Hey, I have a question: Has the Omnitrix shown somewhere that if you train under a certain transformation, said training is mantained if the user transforms again?

It is better to examplify it: let's suppose Ben 10 obtains Saiyajin DNA. Then, with that transformation, he trains and unlocks ssj 1, 2, 3 (for example), which were previously locked for him.

If he detransforms and transforms back, would those acquaired transformation remain, or not?

 

[SlendVeny]

Hey, I have a question: Has the Omnitrix shown somewhere that if you train under a certain transformation, said training is mantained if the user transforms again?

It is better to examplify it: let's suppose Ben 10 obtains Saiyajin DNA. Then, with that transformation, he trains and unlocks ssj 1, 2, 3 (for example), which were previously locked for him.

If he detransforms and transforms back, would those acquaired transformation remain, or not?

I don't know that it works like that. It does seem like when he trains, it affects his strength throughout all forms. However, training is mostly for skill in Ben 10.

 

[Lynieryz]

If I'm not mistaken, there's a post by Duncan where he mentions that if Ben has enough time, he can learn to do magic with Snare-oh.

 

[Lynieryz]

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

If the Chromastone/Celestialsapien fusion scales to the Annihilarrgh, should Atomic-X be upgraded?

 

[Lynieryz]

If the Chromastone/Celestialsapien fusion scales to the Annihilarrgh, should Atomic-X be upgraded?

What are you talking about? Replicating/copying DNA 1 to 1 to make a limb (basically cloning) is different from splicing and absorbing fractions of DNA.

 

[DemonicDude]

If I'm not mistaken, there's a post by Duncan where he mentions that if Ben has enough time, he can learn to do magic with Snare-oh.

Derrick J Wyatt not Duncan.
Art Director of Omniverse not Man of Action team member.

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[Reiner04]

Sad news, Rex calc not getting accepted as High 6-A. So he won't scale ig.

 

[Reiner04]

Tbh, even if Rex hasn't got high 6-A feats I feel like him not scaling to Ben Aliens wouldn't makes sense considering his showings of strength and consistency among them is far better than Ben.

 

[Reiner04]

Hey Guys, Ugarik accepted low 5-b calc, despite the rating being low 5-B it's merely 7 times that of 5-C. So it's not far from 5-C characters a d is 270 times of Armodrillo feat. I've not been scaling mid tiers so any opinion on what should be done? It's not that far considering Malware did say he's 100 times stronger than before and all, so likely possibly rating?

Galvanic Mechamorph pulling back Galvan B and Malware surviving Galvan B destruction

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[Ghengiroo115]

How is Darkstar implied to be able to absorb a Celestialsapien’s power? It mentions that on his profile but doesn’t give a reason.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

How is Darkstar implied to be able to absorb a Celestialsapien’s power? It mentions that on his profile but doesn’t give a reason.

That’s based on this line from “Darkstar Rising”

 

[Ghengiroo115]

That’s based on this line from “Darkstar Rising”

Ah got it, good to know.

 

[Reiner04]

Ultimate Aggregor had the complete power of all 5 aliens + his own, so ig he does scales 6 times higher than regular Aliens.

 

[Reiner04]

Also after reading our Crossover page, I think Rex Scales to Humungausaur and diamond hand:

We still have to differentiate between characters of different comparative power levels within the verses, and there may be outliers and Plot-Induced Stupidity, which are rules that still apply to linear canon verses.

Additionally, the feats seen or taken from the crossover may be consistent to one verse and not the other. There could be impressive feats seen as consistent with the established scale of one franchise, but that lack consistency with the otherwise featless franchise. We should only use scaling that does not contradict the statistics of the franchises, and need to use common sense for case-by-case analysis in addition to this.

As per consistency and showcase, Rex is better than Ben 10 and it's seems to go against common sense to not scale Rex to him incase if they both exist in same verse and had a inconclusive fight before.

 

[Reiner04]

Failsafe didn't trigger because no aliens could deal with it therefore etc etc etc
Yet clockwork from the Prime Omnitrix effectively dealt w. it, so it stands to reason that if the Failsafe did trigger it would have turned BEN to clockwork
So perhaps the prime Watch was resisting & trying to preserve & cling to BEN & thus accidentally jumped ships, invalidating parameters for the Failsafe

Technically this guy seems to have quite of point in his this argument. Clockwork could have handled it and Ben 10000 too, so why Omnitrix failsafe didn't turned him into either is possibly because Chrinosapien timebomb destruction was fundamentally beyond Omnitrix's sense of threat (like it couldn't realise how dangerous CTB is, same as life force absorption by charmcaster) to turn on failsafe, or, only prime version had good failsafe but he gave his Omnitrix to No watch Ben, as we saw in the end of Ov, ben had completely forgotten about failsafe.

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Technically this guy seems to have quite of point in his this argument. Clockwork could have handled it and Ben 10000 too, so why Omnitrix failsafe didn't turned him into either is possibly because Chrinosapien timebomb destruction was fundamentally beyond Omnitrix's sense of threat (like it couldn't realise how dangerous CTB is, same as life force absorption by charmcaster) to turn on failsafe, or, only prime version had good failsafe but he gave his Omnitrix to No watch Ben, as we saw in the end of Ov, ben had completely forgotten about failsafe.

Also Alien X could just pull a Paradox and teleport away from the CTB’s range (assuming it would even affect him in the first place).

 

[Reiner04]

Also Alien X could just pull a Paradox and teleport away from the CTB’s range (assuming it would even affect him in the first place).

Lmao yeah. So failsafe argument doesn't work huh.

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Lmao yeah. So failsafe argument doesn't work huh.

Yup.

Ultimate Aggregor had the complete power of all 5 aliens + his own, so ig he does scales 6 times higher than regular Aliens.

So would his staff scale separately to himself, or would it just be ignored? Also shouldn’t P’andor’s physical body and containment suit be separate, making Ultimate Greg over 7x in Durability?

 

[Reiner04]

So would his staff scale separately to himself, or would it just be ignored? Also shouldn’t P’andor’s physical body and containment suit be separate, making Ultimate Greg over 7x in Durability?

He absorbs energy so it'll ig. He does had pandor's metal body absorbed and we could see it there so yeah ig.

 

[Ghengiroo115]

He absorbs energy so it'll ig. He does had pandor's metal body absorbed and we could see it there so yeah ig.

Cool, so 7x AP and at least 7x Durability then. That would make Ultimate Kevin and Ultimate Echo Echo well over 14x.

 

[Spectral69420]

Isn't it 6x and not 7x since it's the Andromeda 5 plus himself

 

[Reiner04]

Isn't it 6x and not 7x since it's the Andromeda 5 plus himself

He also absorbed his staff which had enough energy to harm those Aliens.

 

[Reiner04]

Bozos Ascalon scales to Dagon, so it would make Anodite and Ascalon Low 4-C too.

 

[Reiner04]

And the gap continues...

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Bozos Ascalon scales to Dagon, so it would make Anodite and Ascalon Low 4-C too.

Nah that’s just Dagon being weak to energy manipulation.

 

[Spectral69420]

Bozos Ascalon scales to Dagon, so it would make Anodite and Ascalon Low 4-C too.

And?

Chromastone too

 

[Ghengiroo115]

And?

Chromastone too

Don’t forget Eatle and Vilcubra

Fourth form Malware’s size should also probably be calced.

 

[Reiner04]

Anyone have an idea where would Kevin with metal armour (or whatever he has absorbed) will scale.

 

[Spectral69420]

Anyone have an idea where would Kevin with metal armour (or whatever he has absorbed) will scale.

Find the density gap between kevin normally and whatever material he has absorbed and then multiply it by AP i guess. I might be talking out of my ass but this makes sense to me

 

[Reiner04]

Find the density gap between kevin normally and whatever material he has absorbed and then multiply it by AP i guess. I might be talking out of my ass but this makes sense to me

Mutated Kevin (AF) scales higher than base humungausaur.

 

[Reiner04]

Kevin got the job done for humungausaur.

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Anyone have an idea where would Kevin with metal armour (or whatever he has absorbed) will scale.

All I know is his peak Durability should be High 5-A from absorbing To’kustar armour. Aside from that idk

 

[Reiner04]

Apparently Zaveda being homeworld of celestial sapiens was never retconned, in the spoilers by crew based off mc duffie statements, it was stated that Zaveda is inside the forge of creation.