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Ben 10 General Discussion Thread

You guys do know I figured out the George - Eatle - Vilgax mess a long time ago right?
What's your thoughts on High 5-A Diamondhead ? For:
  1. Surviving being punched to the moonand
  2. Being capable of fighting Malware who tanked High 5-A Moon explosion (Galvan B)
  3. Malware stating he's stronger than before during Omniverse (Showdown episode)
Or am I scaling him wrong ?
 
So proof of petrosapiens growing millions of times stronger?

You just said it yourself it moved him. He didn't stop it dead in its tracks

Heh

Not my fault he has trash feats.
Dimandhead

ya and he stoped it dead in its tracks

I still fail to see how he has bad feats with the stuff I’ve already stated, besides is there any actual proof of it being any weaker?
 
Dimandhead
Proof it's not an outlier?
ya and he stoped it dead in its tracks

I still fail to see how he has bad feats with the stuff I’ve already stated, besides is there any actual proof of it being any weaker?
Yes. George not one shotting any of Ben's aliens, why did daigon kill him so easily when George has supposedly beat him before, diagon gax getting the better of him and then his lack of impressive stand alone feats
 
Proof it's not an outlier?



Yes. George not one shotting any of Ben's aliens, why did daigon kill him so easily when George has supposedly beat him before, diagon gax getting the better of him and then his lack of impressive stand alone feats
It’s already been stated/implied by terrax the dimandhead has a lot of potential


(1:54)
Plus all of Ben’s are the peak of its species, so by default they would already be outliers in said species.

Cuz he was holding back as I already proved, cuz he was tired

(0:18), probably cuz dagon was juicing vilgax up, and that’s why scaling is a thing
 
What's your thoughts on High 5-A Diamondhead ? For:
  1. Surviving being punched to the moonand
  2. Being capable of fighting Malware who tanked High 5-A Moon explosion (Galvan B)
  3. Malware stating he's stronger than before during Omniverse (Showdown episode)
Or am I scaling him wrong ?
1. 7-A dura feat for DH by a holding back Malgax
2. He didn't tank shit, he regenned
3. OS Ben's heavy hitters are a 100 times weaker than Fourth Form Malware/Way Big due to Malware's statement.
 
It’s already been stated/implied by terrax the dimandhead has a lot of potential


(1:54)
Plus all of Ben’s are the peak of its species, so by default they would already be outliers in said species.

You're really beating around the question, proof that diamondhead tanking that punch isn't an outlier? Atleast show 3 more feats for diamondhead on that calibre
Cuz he was holding back as I already proved,
So he was holding back against fodder daigon gax too?
cuz he was tired

(0:18),

how does being tired mean anything, he got disintegrated in one shot so when he fought daigon the first time daigon was weak as hell cause daigon couldn't one shot him.
probably cuz dagon was juicing vilgax up, and that’s why scaling is a thing
Phsh posh daigon gax has no good scaling/feats he's consistently humungousaur and eatle level. Tier 8


George: "defeats Dagon"

T1tansg90: Trash feat bro

Thanks for understanding dude, but with getting his attacks no sold by chromastone and getting disgraced by vilgax using a random power absorbing machine on him, anyone could've been able to tell tbh. Let's not forget losing to fodder George the first time
 
You're really beating around the question, proof that diamondhead tanking that punch isn't an outlier? Atleast show 3 more feats for diamondhead on that calibre

So he was holding back against fodder daigon gax too?

how does being tired mean anything, he got disintegrated in one shot so when he fought daigon the first time daigon was weak as hell cause daigon couldn't one shot him.

Phsh posh daigon gax has no good scaling/feats he's consistently humungousaur and eatle level. Tier 8



Thanks for understanding dude, but with getting his attacks no sold by chromastone and getting disgraced by vilgax using a random power absorbing machine on him, anyone could've been able to tell tbh. Let's not forget losing to fodder George the first time
I literally answered your question about his potential, what are you talking about? Wow I guess you just forgot about are entire discussion

Guess your just gonna ignore my actual counterpoint

Because it makes someone weaker and easier to take down. Or maybe because George was actually at full strength

expect George, eatle lvl isn’t bad(even though his pretty clearly above him) and idk where you got Humngasaour lvl from
 
I literally answered your question about his potential, what are you talking about? Wow I guess you just forgot about are entire discussion
The entire discussion was you were supposed to prove the feat isn't an outlier and you kept telling me about Ben's aliens growing more powerful which I already agreed with, now all that's left, the whole point from the beginning is that you should prove that feat isn't an outlier, show how consistent 7-A - 5-A diamondhead is
Guess your just gonna ignore my actual counterpoint
I already agreed to your counterpoint, this is another question
Because it makes someone weaker and easier to take down. Or maybe because George was actually at full strength

expect George, eatle lvl isn’t bad(even though his pretty clearly above him) and idk where you got Humngasaour lvl from
The fact that humungousaur could brush off his hits.
 
The entire discussion was you were supposed to prove the feat isn't an outlier and you kept telling me about Ben's aliens growing more powerful which I already agreed with, now all that's left, the whole point from the beginning is that you should prove that feat isn't an outlier, show how consistent 7-A - 5-A diamondhead is

I already agreed to your counterpoint, this is another question



The fact that humungousaur could brush off his hits.
Ya which I already did, if a character is growing in strength/reach’s a new lvl of power then I don’t see why I need to do it being constant unless there’s a bunch of thing contradicting it

Ya and I’m talking about Dagon juicing vilgax in response to your question

I wouldn’t say he “brushed” it off

(2:08)
he seemed pretty effected by it but even then this is like there only encounter so it’s not really constant
 
Ya which I already did, if a character is growing in strength/reach’s a new lvl of power then I don’t see why I need to do it being constant unless there’s a bunch of thing contradicting it
Yeah that's the definition of an outlier. He has no other feats close to that so his surviving attacks from malgax is an outlier.
Ya and I’m talking about Dagon juicing vilgax in response to your question

I wouldn’t say he “brushed” it off

(2:08)
he seemed pretty effected by it but even then this is like there only encounter so it’s not really constant

Sure it's not
 
Proof it's not an outlier?
I think you forgot something.
I am ben Tennyson, weilder of the most powerful weapon in the universe, I've defeated vilgax in hand to hand combat.

Ben referred this fight again so it can't be a outlier.
 
I don't know, alien force vilgax never had a feat that outclassed classic vilgax's mt rushmore head smash, its debatable if he's physically more powerful when he lost all his roids. Like I said, some do get stronger but not millions of times stronger in the span of some years.
Eh? Gwen straight out implied that war lord vilgax is stronger than classic one tho.

Gwen: Vilgax has beaten the greatest heroes of 10 worlds.

Ben: I’m not worried. I beat him when I was just a kid.

Gwen: You should be worried. Those heroes he beat -- now he has all their powers, too.
 
Eh? Gwen straight out implied that war lord vilgax is stronger than classic one tho.

Gwen: Vilgax has beaten the greatest heroes of 10 worlds.

Ben: I’m not worried. I beat him when I was just a kid.

Gwen: You should be worried. Those heroes he beat -- now he has all their powers, too.
.... Where's the implication that he's stronger? If I get some powers one day, eye lasers and freeze breath, that doesn't mean I could physically overpower the world's strongest man, I just have some more abilities I can use to cheat myself into winning against him like freezing him in place or slicing him in half etc.


That's called being more powerful not stronger, cause you literally have more powers/Abilities that make you more of a threat than you were before
 
.... Where's the implication that he's stronger? If I get some powers one day, eye lasers and freeze breath, that doesn't mean I could physically overpower the world's strongest man, I just have some more abilities I can use to cheat myself into winning against him like freezing him in place of slicing him in half etc.


That's called being more powerful not stronger cause you literally have more powers.
Quoting out of context or contextomacy fallacy. Ben in here in the context has reffered to the classic vilgax as someone he has beaten before but Gwen reminds him that vilgax has got "power of the other hero's" in the sense that this time he is stronger. And laser? Breath? It's a raw power that he absorbed in the form of energy if anything you need to prove that he got their abilities.
 
Quoting out of context or contextomacy fallacy. Ben in here in the context has reffered to the classic vilgax as someone he has beaten before but Gwen reminds him that vilgax has got "power of the other hero's" in the sense that this time he is stronger. And laser? Breath? It's a raw power that he absorbed in the form of energy if anything you need to prove that he got their abilities.
That's headcannon. She never said he got stronger. She's just saying he got more powers.
 
That's headcannon. She never said he got stronger. She's just saying he got more powers.
I don't see any headcanon? You're quoting things entirely out of context.
Ben said he has beaten vilgax when he was child.
Gwen said he has those hero's power too now.
You know what "too" means? The power he had when was classic is reserved and additional power has been added. And it was response to ben claiming that he can beat him because he has beaten him.

I don't know which train to cling to know what here has been said.
 
Yeah that's the definition of an outlier. He has no other feats close to that so his surviving attacks from malgax is an outlier.



Sure it's not
Because as I said he reached a new lvl of power. Not really there’s also this



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ok good we could agree
The logic behind it is dumb. It makes no sense to assume it's an earthquake. Besides, the highest it could be is a magnitude 3 quake (Building level) because it never destroyed anything the surrounding area, it only shook buildings.
Aren’t you supposed to use the quake formula if the shockwave shakes a decently sized area or something? Actually pieces of the buildings did come off
 
Ultimate kevin was hurt by arcade machines, spidermonkey, missles, fodder Charmcaster golemns etc. He's the definition of weak.
His only good feats are KOing ult
Seems like Goku hurt by train, rocks, guns. Bravo that's fiction and there is need to be alot of plot necessary things to show a fight.
Regardless, Kevin wasn't hurt by most of those maybe from one though, so non of it proves that ult. Kevin was weak.
 
I don't see any headcanon? You're quoting things entirely out of context.
Ben said he has beaten vilgax when he was child.
Gwen said he has those hero's power too now.
You know what "too" means? The power he had when was classic is reserved and additional power has been added. And it was response to ben claiming that he can beat him because he has beaten him.

I don't know which train to cling to know what here has been said.
He has their powers too, powers are Abilities, if she meant he's physically better she could've literally just said he's stronger now or he has their power now, not powers, she's clearly talking about his extra Abilities/powers, flight, laser vision etc. that's it. you're just thinking to deep into this
 
Because as I said he reached a new lvl of power. Not really there’s also this



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ok good we could agree

Aren’t you supposed to use the quake formula if the shockwave shakes a decently sized area or something? Actually pieces of the buildings did come off
He never specified. Diamondhead can use his constructs since he can make infinite amounts of them to wear it down. Doesn't scale to him in anyway. Malgax punch is an outlier.


Na I'm being sarcastic. It's 100% consistent.
 
First of all she said "too" in response to ben claim that he has beaten classic version, inherently means she is talking about additional powers.
Also.

Abilities/powers
He absorbed their energies, so you would need to prove that he got their abilities, or I don't see how you are asserting this premise w/o any base to say that if he got their abilities or not but just intuitions.
 
Seems like Goku hurt by train, rocks, guns. Bravo that's fiction and there is need to be alot of plot necessary things to show a fight.
Regardless, Kevin wasn't hurt by most of those maybe from one though, so non of it proves that ult. Kevin was weak.
Never liked anime so this comparison means nothing to me.

Kevin was indeed hurt by and restrain by all of those things. All of them proves he was weak.
 
A fiction can't be perfect, you'll adjust yourselves to fiction rather than adjusting fiction to yourselves.
Don't know what you're trying to say here.
I know there are inconsistencies but if those low ends are actually a lot more than those few High ends then those low ends are the characters power level and the few high ends are outliers. I'm not gonna see ultimate kevin as someone above tier 8 when the majority of his feats are in that category.
 
Never liked anime so this comparison means nothing to me
Nothing to you is not something to be a matter for all or me as well.

Kevin was indeed hurt by and restrain by all of those things. All of them proves he was weak.
You would need to prove that he was hurt during those attacks not just surprised or fall back like boros sending saitama to moon in one hit is not him getting hurt but just a Newton's 3rd law of motion.
 
I'm not gonna see ultimate kevin as someone above tier 8 when the majority of his feats are in that category
Majority of his feats is not something that denies even his single big feat.

It's like saying majority of saitama feats are city lvl and so him performing multi solar system lvl feats within few chapters is a outlier
 
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