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So Witch Time isn't Time Stop since he said it in an interview inside an official guidebook.Interviews and twitter questions are two differnt medias,the former is acceptable the latter is not
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So Witch Time isn't Time Stop since he said it in an interview inside an official guidebook.Interviews and twitter questions are two differnt medias,the former is acceptable the latter is not
Do we have a number for how much it increases her speed ?So are people going with
Really strong Speed Amp
Or self Time Accel.
I mean, let's be blunt, the end result is the same lol
Seeing opponents that move at 1e+16 times fastr than the speed of light as motionlessDo we have a number for how much it increases her speed ?
Last time I saw the profiles, they were MFTL at best, is that Irenic's feat ?Seeing opponents that move at 1e+16 times fastr than the speed of light as motionless
Irenic's feat is MFTL+, 1e+16cLast time I saw the profiles, they were MFTL at best, is that Irenic's feat ?
But I got it, basically makes people comparable to her as if they were frozen
Well actually, if you interact with water faster than it can move out of the way, it does behave like a solid object. A person falling at terminal velocity (on Earth) would find the surface of water just as solid as concrete5:44:37 Bayonetta once again treats water like a solid object that she can rab and use as a solid weapon. This would not be possible if it was just a speed amp.
First game stuff
28:16 The first instance of Witch Time, and 29:25 Witch Time stacking. Of note, the fodder angels are visibly not slowed down by the original Witch Time, which going by the assumption that it is a speed amp would make the weakest of the weak angels faster than Jubileus.
31:52 Jeanne deactivates Witch Time to make the truck that separated them move faster so she could make a getaway. Unless Jeanne can somehow turn off Bayonetta's speed amp by deactivating her own, this instance in particular heavily points toward it being a time slow.
1:16:24 "Perhaps if i were to unleash some Temporal Witch Power on it, my situation would improve."
1:42:43 Another instance of an Angel that isnt Jubileus being unaffected by Witch Time. Either theyre faster than Jubileus or its time slow, the latter of which is further supported by Bayo moving the rocks she touches as they are being interacted with by her but the ones she doesnt arent moving until she deactivates it and they immediately fall, consistent with the mechanics of the door feat above.
2:12:38 Another instance of an Angel that isnt Jubileus being unaffected by Witch Time. Bayo also uses Witch Time here to set up chain a reaction attack which move at normal speed when Bayo is touching them but slow down to a near stop when she launches them but then move at normal speed when she deactivates Witch Time, the mechanics of which would make little sense if it were just a speed amp.
3:04:43 Witch Time allows the user to physically grab and stand on watdr as if it were solid. Not just running across the surface like in the previous clip Matt showd but physically treating water as a solid surface without sinking into it. If it were just a speed amp it wouldnt make sense for her to not sink when she stands still.
4:06:48 Another instance of an Angel that isnt Jubileus being unaffected by Witch Time when everything else in the environment is.
5:44:37 Bayonetta once again treats water like a solid object that she can rab and use as a solid weapon. This would not be possible if it was just a speed amp.
Whil thats true in the case here its Bayonetta standing on top of the water for several sconds as though it is a solid,not just falling on it and immediately jumping offWell actually, if you interact with water faster than it can move out of the way, it does behave like a solid object. A person falling at terminal velocity (on Earth) would find the surface of water just as solid as concrete
Honestly this (bolded part) is all you need1:42:43 Another instance of an Angel that isnt Jubileus being unaffected by Witch Time. Either theyre faster than Jubileus or its time slow, the latter of which is further supported by Bayo moving the rocks she touches as they are being interacted with by her but the ones she doesnt arent moving until she deactivates it and they immediately fall, consistent with the mechanics of the door feat above.
You cannot use the auto translate for an accurate translation, he explicitly say this, "both Witch Time and Light Speed are not about manipulating time, but rather speeding up the user. Since you distrust my translation, for whatever reason, you should try to outsource it to someone else who can provide an accurate translation not via software (i.e. use a translation subreddit). But I am not lying to you, that is what the translation reads.Anyways starting off with the Twitter post, kamiya doesn’t really say “"both Witch Time and Light Speed are not about manipulating time, but rather speeding up the user." All Kamiya says is that both abilities are faster than time manipulation, meaning the two are well.. moving faster than time when using it. That doesn’t confirm OPs original point, all it really does is give them an even further speed feat? However in these Twitter responses, it’s fairly obvious Kamiya isn’t entirely into the conversation. Since when directly asked about the time manipulation part by another, he just gives this response which confirms nor denies anything. Though that’s just my take on the Twitter response, it’s Twitter anyways..
Even if it is wog, if there’s enough lore in game to disregard it then it’s not true
He is literally stating that the Witches died out, not referring to their ability of Witch Time. Please re-read his sentence.“Witch time.... it seems that the witches on this earth fell victim to our worlds passage of time and vanished into the abyss of eternity.”
Antonio is very clearly acknowledging witch time as a time manipulating ability as well
And again, this is outright not true. Witch Time is never said to be time manipulation by any characters. Witch Time is never shown to be time manipulation. Witch Time is never said to be time manipulation even in tutorials. Witch Time is referred to as a "speed-boosting ability" by reputable, in-game texts, an-info prompt, and multiple WoG statements: a recent twitter post, and an interview 3 months after the game was released.I hope I can sway some of you? In all honesty, the way witch time is described by kamiya, then represented in lore is very inconsistent
"Cutscenes, where angels break out of a supposed "time slow," are suspect at first, but it can said they are simply "powering up," so to speak, in order to speed themselves up to match Bayo's WT speed. Other scenes, such as the boss fights with Fortitudo, or Sapientia, where they fight "under Witch Time," the same thing is occurring: angels aren't demonstrating "time slow/stop resistance," but instead are just moving really fast."Comicgyal and WeekelyBattle have not brought up any relevant points that I have not already addressed or explained, they are repeatedly re-claiming their arguments, despite my clear, and concise explanations."
Can you repeat the part where you explained the part of Angels being resistant to Bayonetta's Witch Time, where was addressed or explained ? Don't mind me, really, but I lost that part
In my view, Angels being resistant to a self-speed-mode used by Bayo doesn't make much sense
Okay, I will no longer argue the relevance of a Twitter response. I could ask kamiya right now if Aesir is 1-A, and the madman might tell me to ask Jubileus or something.You cannot use the auto translate for an accurate translation, he explicitly say this, "both Witch Time and Light Speed are not about manipulating time, but rather speeding up the user. Since you distrust my translation, for whatever reason, you should try to outsource it to someone else who can provide an accurate translation not via software (i.e. use a translation subreddit). But I am not lying to you, that is what the translation reads.
Once more, this is not true.
He is literally stating the Witch died out, not referring to their ability of Witch Time. Please re-read his sentence.
And again, this is outright not true. Witch Time is never said to be time manipulation by any characters. Witch Time is never shown to be time manipulation. Witch Time is never said to be time manipulation even in tutorials. Witch Time is referred to as a "speed-boosting ability" by reputable, in-game texts, an-info prompt, and multiple WoG statements: a recent twitter post, and an interview 3 months after the game was release.
And again, on all points regarding Witch Time in gameplay, I have repeatedly explained why a time-slow and speed boost would function the same. again, as I do not wish to repeat all my argument once more, please re-read my points.
Comicgyal and WeekelyBattle have not brought up any relevant points that I have not already addressed or explained, they are repeatedly re-claiming their arguments, despite my clear, and concise explanations.
Yes, he says, "boost their physical abilities." Not time control/a time slow, but "boost their physical abilities." This is not an "addtion," this is how the power is stated to work, just as a boost in their physical abilities.“Temporal control is not just simply being able to recognize this world, it also enables one to boost their physical abilities and move freely within that single moment.”
There are no in-game inconsistencies. They aren't resisting someone's speed boosting themselves, the angels are moving faster. How is this hard to grasp?while also ignoring the many in game inconsistencies. Much like weekly said, you can’t just “resist” someone speed boosting themselves, that makes no sense
He brings it up because of the word "time," and how the witches faded from "the passage time." This is not in reference to Witch Time's powers. And yes, it is a metaphor, which by definition reads, "a figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action to which it is not literally applicable."“He is literally stating the Witch dies out, not referring to their ability of Witch Time. Please re-read his sentence.”
He is very clearly making a metaphor on witch time, an ability that manipulates time, and how the witches vanished from their passage of time due to their deaths. I read it plenty of times.
Once more, as I said in the OP:As weekly posted, they do reference witch time as much more than a speed boost. “Unleash temporal witch powers.” What part of that sounds like a speed boost? She even uses the statues, which I again pointed out is used to aid their control over time. To say that witches don’t manipulate time.. is to deny entire plot points established in Bayonetta 2, and why the eyes of the world exist in the first place. The witches are described as overseeers of history and time, it’s very in your face about it.
Again, I really only find the inconsistent logic within your reasoning.You realize the inconsistent logic in this, right? You acknowledge that the guide calls it a time slow, then say that Kamiya and other game texts say it’s a speed boost. However the same texts you’re referencing, say that the boosts are another attribute of witch time, and not what makes up the entire ability.
There is no conclusive evidence to say that. There are no in-game visual representations of Witch Time explicitly being a time slow or speed, by virtue of how these powers would work. Time is relative, so slowing down time for the world is the same thing as speeding up time for yourself - in both cases, what you're doing is manipulating the relationship your time has with your environment's time. When Bayo uses witch time to change the relationship between her time and her environment's time, all "[property] over time" equations and all equations related to those are affected at once. Force, velocity, weight, inertia, everything."Y'know....Witch Time could also be more than one power. It doesn't have to be one or the other. I still believe that going by this speed boost logic, it seems to be Time Acceleration.
Are you simply not reading?Yes, he says, "boost their physical abilities." Not time control/a time slow, but "boost their physical abilities." This is not an "addtion," this is how the power is stated to work, just as a boost in their physical abilities.
There are no in-game inconsistencies. They aren't resisting someone's speed boosting themselves, the angels are moving faster. How is this hard to grasp?
He brings it up because of the word "time," and how the witches faded from "the passage time." This is not in reference to Witch Time's powers. And yes, it is a metaphor, which by definition reads, "a figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action to which it is not literally applicable."
Once more, as I said in the OP:
"Witch Time, the Umbra's technique, and Light Speed, the Lumen's, are a form of "Temporal Control." Temporal Control is described as a "technique [that] sharped all of the five senses, and enables one to boost their physical abilities." Now, that doesn't really sound like time manipulation, and nothing in the document suggests that this ability is time control, besides the name itself; but even then, "temporal" can refer to "relating to worldly as opposed to spiritual affairs," which is in line with describing the physical body/perceived world."
Again, I really only find the inconsistent logic within your reasoning.
"The only evidence (that I've found), for Witch Time being a time slow, is within 5 lines of the game guide, and the Smash Bro's trailer (which wouldn't matter anyway, since it isn't canon).
All other sources, multiple WoG statements and in-game texts, state Bayonetta can speed herself up. (In-game feats can be said for either way, since as I said before, time is relative, so it wouldn't make a difference to how the ability looks.) Again, multiple WoG + in-game statements > Guidebook."
A guidebook written by an employee, shouldn't be taken over multiple WoG + in-game statements.
This is what I’ve been arguing. It is a speed boost, but it is also time control to a degree. It’s two powers crafted into one, which is what ACTUALLY fits the description Antonio makes.Y'know....Witch Time could also be more than one power. It doesn't have to be one or the other. I still believe that going by this speed boost logic, it seems to be Time Acceleration. But even without counting it as Time Manipulation, and just Powerful Speed amp, the end result ends up the same.
You cannot use the auto translate for an accurate translation, he explicitly say this, "both Witch Time and Light Speed are not about manipulating time, but rather speeding up the user. Since you distrust my translation, for whatever reason, you should try to outsource it to someone else who can provide an accurate translation not via software (i.e. use a translation subreddit). But I am not lying to you, that is what the translation reads.I will say, Kamiya's tweet has some odd wording. He says they are faster than manipulating time which would put Witch Time above say Time Manipulation or something which is weird.
Bolding your point doesn't make it better, you are overusing this bolding, take it down a notch. This auto translation has nothing telling me that it is inaccurate and I have no reason to believe you over it. Show me where you got your translation and give me a reason to why I should trust your translation of said tweet. It is up to you to show me that your translation should take priority over the translation given by twitter itself. All you keep linking is the untranslated text with no other translation means available. You're just saying "It's not trustworthy, but my translation is" without telling me why I should believe you over it. i.e expecting me to just listen and believe.You cannot use the auto translate for an accurate translation, he explicitly say this, "both Witch Time and Light Speed are not about manipulating time, but rather speeding up the user. Since you distrust my translation, for whatever reason, you should try to outsource it to someone else who can provide an accurate translation not via software (i.e. use a translation subreddit). But I am not lying to you, that is what the translation reads.
FROM THE OP:“Temporal Control is not just simply being able to recognize this world, it also enables one to boost their physical abilities and move freely within that single moment.” This is statement 2. You are focusing on just ONE ASPECT of the entire quote, when Antonio broke it into TWO segments. Temporal control, and how it enables you to boost your physical abilities. As I said before, witch time is both Temporal Manipulation AND a physical boost. How is this flying past you? Or better yet, why are you choosing to ignore the first part of evidence that YOU brought?
Translation received from.Bolding your point doesn't make it better, you are overusing this bolding, take it down a notch. This auto translation has nothing telling me that it is inaccurate and I have no reason to believe you over it. Show me where you got your translation and give me a reason to why I should trust your translation of said tweet. It is up to you to show me that your translation should take priority over the translation given by twitter itself. All you keep linking is the untranslated text with no other translation means available. You're just saying "It's not trustworthy, but my translation is" without telling me why I should believe you over it. i.e expecting me to just listen and believe.
Just repasting what I have already written:"1:42:43 Another instance of an Angel that isnt Jubileus being unaffected by Witch Time. Either theyre faster than Jubileus or its time slow, the latter of which is further supported by Bayo moving the rocks she touches as they are being interacted with by her but the ones she doesnt arent moving until she deactivates it and they immediately fall, consistent with the mechanics of the door feat above."
That would be a good idea.Should Comicgyal and Weekly summarise their arguments, and the other side summarise their arguments as well, after which I call more staff members here to help evaluate this?