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Well, I believe we should give Pluto a try then, MFTL+ accepted or not
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Theres near-dead Jubileus crossing th solar systm instantly (398 c), Jeanne dodging meteors that traveled from Pluto to Earth in 7 seconds (4000+ c), and Bayonetta dodging a lightspeed beam when it is a fraction of a milimeter away from her (Uncalced awating a calculation but estimated to be in the thousands of c by two calc members)
Could you explain why? Theres already been a ton of explanation why it would scale to her normally without amps
Because impossibly large gap that I explained for a entire page in the previous thread? I said I only agreed for it "with amps" as that is the only one that actually does scale and happens in-game.
...You mean the thing that almost everyone here already agreed doesnt matter? I brought it up in the other thread but since it was ignored there i'll bring it up here too:
Your last argument assumes that the God-tiers did compete with them, which they did not. You tell people to add the true details, yet you do not yourself. I told yoy my argument, and the amount of people who have agreed is pointless. I already agree with this, but just with their amps.
So you really havent read any of the arguments brought up in this thread have you? No one is arguing that the God-tiers travel as fast as irenic, literally this entire thread has been explaining why Irenic has faster movement speed than any of the god-tiers. Instead of accusing me of lying mayb you should rad what youre debating instead of giving a one-word disagremnt and then getting defnsive when people call you out on it
Dude, Bayonetta can only access her amp against Irenic by reacting to Irenic without her amp active. Claiming that shes only that fast with amps is directly contradictory to how the fight against Irenic goes.
I've read this thread... bruh. I'm not even going to adress your "defensive" argument because it is unrelated and pointless. And no, you argue that due to being a God Tier, they should upscale from Irenic in all aspects. They are only MFTL+ movement speed (Irenic scaling) with Amps, which is my point. Also, I need more proof for Irenic scaling in all other speed categories. Like, scans, not arguments.
Irenic was only out speeding normal vehicles in its introduction. I've shown a clip in the last thread showing how fast Irenic moves during the gameplay section and it's roughly the same speed as the regular vehicles. I played the mission myself to check and Irenic in gameplay moves no quicker than regular vehicles.
Ah yes because gameplay takes precedence over both cutscenes and lore
Okay so you havnt read th thread, that claim alone proves it, bcause if you had read th thread you would know that NO ONE IS ARGUING THAT.
No one is arguing that anyone scales to Irenic in all aspects, please read the thread.
You must not be reading the same thread I am, I see multiple people saying that.
The only one arguing it is Cal and even he only put it as a suggestion not as an argument for whathe thinks it should be
On-topic, I would like scans for non-movement speed scaling.
Thank you, this is all I wanted.
You wanted to be lied to? Theyre becomming MFTL+ in genral reactions and combat speed, not via amps
I have already argued for amps. As long as it is put as amps, I am happy.
Its not via amps. This thread is literally meant to change it so its not via amps
I've have again, already argued to keep it the way it is. No scans have been shown to prove that this scales to combat/reaction. I would like scans.
Well, cutscenes didn't show Irenic moving at its lore speed either. All I'm saying is the gameplay can't be used to prove it was traveling at lore speed during the interaction with Bayonetta.
The entire fight between Bayonetta and Irenic in their level
