Battle for the 5th Strongest 9-B Non-Smurf - Bulbous G vs Toda Mikoku

[Deceived3596]

9-B
SBA
Speed Equalized

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Bulbous G

Vs

Toda Mikoku

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[AnonymousBlank]

Um ….. no ESP for Toda so G will GG with superior lifting and nomming their soul since they can’t perceive him at all.

 

[Deceived3596]

Um ….. no ESP for Toda so G will GG with superior lifting and nomming their soul since they can’t perceive him at all.

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Also i can't believe Toda has a real chance of losing to ******* Bulbous G

 

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[DontTalkDT]

Toda's Pseudo-Precog would be superior to a dragons that could backwards calculate the appearance of a pocket dimension without seeing it. It can deal with invisibility that way.
Or she could just invert abilities.
Or she could just produce an omnidirectional attack of infinite power.
Or mind control everyone around her.
Or use the writing concept to counter the ability.
Or use her reactive evolution to gain the necessary senses.
Without flight Bulbous would even have trouble against the South is Down thing.
And with the concept of betrayed expectations, she couldn't really be hurt anyway.

So yeah.

 

[Deceived3596]

Toda's Pseudo-Precog would be superior to a dragons that could backwards calculate the appearance of a pocket dimension without seeing it. It can deal with invisibility that way.
Or she could just invert abilities.
Or she could just produce an omnidirectional attack of infinite power.
Or mind control everyone around her.
Without flight Bulbous would even have trouble against the South is Down thing.
Or use the writing concept to counter the ability.
Or use her reactive evolution to gain the necessary senses.
And with the concept of betrayed expectations, she couldn't really be hurt anyway.

So yeah.

Does she have a way of dealing with Passive Soul Manipulation that crushes the opponents Soul?

 

[DontTalkDT]

Conceptual Regeneration and concept of betrayed expectations/reflection concept

Consider that she starts outside of his range as well

Not that Bulbous actually has passive soul manip as far as I remember.

 

[Deceived3596]

Conceptual Regeneration and concept of betrayed expectations/reflection concept

Consider that she starts outside of his range as well

Not that Bulbous actually has much of passive soul manip as far as I remember.

The Regen could be from an "Conceptual Level" but the regeneration that is listed for Toda is only High-Mid which isn't nearly enough to regenerate from having your entire Spiritual body crushed/ What does "Reflection Concept" mean or do?

Yeah but Bulbous could possibly just run close enough up to Toda for the range of his RC to hit her.

He does have it through possessing Reiatsu, it just isn't listed on the profile since his profile is extremely out-dated in terms of its abilities.

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

The Regen could be from an "Conceptual Level" but the regeneration that is listed for Toda is only High-Mid which isn't nearly enough to regenerate from having your entire Spiritual body crushed/ What does "Reflection Concept" mean or do?

it reflects attacks

 

[DontTalkDT]

The Regen could be from an "Conceptual Level" but the regeneration that is listed for Toda is only High-Mid which isn't nearly enough to regenerate from having your entire Spiritual body crushed

Her Regen is also listed as "can regenerate as long as the philosopher stone in her body isn't destroyed and the stone itself can regenerate from being smashed into pieces". It's only listed as High-Mid, because getting liquified would destroy the stone.

If you kill her in a fashion that doesn't destroy the stone, she still regenerates, as the profile states.

What does "Reflection Concept" mean or do?

Concept that reflects any attack on her back on the opponent.

Yeah but Bulbous could possibly just run close enough up to Toda for the range of his RC to hit her.

He does have it through possessing Reiatsu, it just isn't listed on the profile since his profile is extremely out-dated in terms of its abilities.

Nah, he doesn't. Look at his actual appearance at Chapter 38. Completly normal humans less than a meter away from him are fine. His RC, as far as he has it, is too weak to deal with even regular human souls.

 

[Deceived3596]

Her Regen is also listed as "can regenerate as long as the philosopher stone in her body isn't destroyed and the stone itself can regenerate from being smashed into pieces". It's only listed as High-Mid, because getting liquified would destroy the stone.

If you kill her in a fashion that doesn't destroy the stone, she still regenerates, as the profile states

Yeah and the destruction of that objects "Soul" would be a higher form of destruction then being liquefied since "Soul Destruction" is more metaphysical compared to liquefaction which is something Physical.

Concept that reflects any attack on her back on the opponent.

Is it thought-based, action-based or passive?

Nah, he doesn't. Look at his actual appearance at Chapter 38. Completly normal humans less than a meter away from him are fine. His RC, as far as he has it, is too weak to deal with even regular human souls.

Normal Humans within Bleach (Espacially the ones in Karakura Town) have Small amounts of Reiryoku in their systems which grant inherent resistances towards Soul Manipulation so that doesn't really counter anything since Toda literally has no Soul Manipulation resistances.

 

[DontTalkDT]

Yeah and the destruction of that objects "Soul" would be a higher form of destruction then being liquefied since "Soul Destruction" is more metaphysical compared to liquefaction which is something Physical.

Don't think the conceptual object cares much about its soul tbh. The concept could even to some degree endure a concept erasing attack, which in the verse is two levels more fundamental than the soul.

Is it thought-based, action-based or passive?

Thought based. Reminder that she has range advantage.

Normal Humans within Bleach (Espacially the ones in Karakura Town) have Small amounts of Reiryoku in their systems which grant inherent resistances towards Soul Manipulation so that doesn't really counter anything since Toda literally has no Soul Manipulation resistances.

Dude, if your soul attacks can't deal with normal humans they won't deal with normal humans of other verses. At that point you're just talking about soul attacks too weak to take out the baseline soul.

 

[Deceived3596]

Don't think the conceptual object cares much about its soul tbh. The concept could even to some degree endure a concept erasing attack, which in the verse is two levels more fundamental than the soul.


Thought based. Reminder that she has raneg advantage.


Dude, if your soul attacks can't deal with normal humans they won't deal with normal humans of other verses. At that point you're just talking about soul attacks too weak to take out the baseline soul.

Then she wins, Bulbous has literally no win-con and while Toda has a plethora. So you can close this thread.

Also to address your last point you can't compare verses like that since Normal Humans within Bleach act and have entirely different characteristics and abilities compared to another verses Humans since their not from the same verse. In Bleach Normal Humans have inherent resistances towards Soul Manipulation via Reiryoku while in another verse they won't have resistances towards Soul Manipulation since they don't have an energy source like Reiryoku.

 

[DontTalkDT]

Also to address your last point you can't compare verses like that since Normal Humans within Bleach act and have entirely different characteristics and abilities compared to another verses Humans since their not from the same verse. In Bleach Normal Humans have inherent resistances towards Soul Manipulation via Reiryoku while in another verse they won't have resistances towards Soul Manipulation since they don't have an energy source like Reiryoku.

Other verses souls also have a durability, else they would collapse on their own. Having fancy terms and explanations for where that durability comes from doesn't prove that it is above that baseline soul durability.

Ultimately our baseline unit for soul attack potency is the regular human soul. In the same fashion 1 Joule of energy is assumed the same amount of energy in all verses, to make them comparable, to make soul attack potency comparable the baseline unit of "regular human soul" would be assumed to have equal durability in all verses. Comparisons are made from there.

Regular souls in Kawakami-verse also have feats of taking punishment to some small degree, but, as said, such feats don't really make them above baseline.


Anyway, I will close the thread as you requested.