Battle for the 1st stronger High 7-A spot.

[BrackishBrineBroth]

Actually, I just remembered a situation where he doesn't require eye contact. In the final book of the Dark Tower series, Roland comes across a creature named Dandelo who is described as an old man. Dandelo is heavily implied to be an avatar of It. He starts telling jokes until Roland is at the point where he's laughing hysterically to the point where he' near the verge of dying, if I recall correctly. And Roland is usually a dead serious person. It takes Stepehen King himself sending a note through another character to get the heroes out of the situation and find out Dandelo's nature (the note sent by King literally says "Here comes the deus ex machina!") It even briefly turns into a giant cockroach and then a clown as it dies.

So yeah, he can do it through sound too.

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

You want to make something that doesn't have ears to hear sound?

 

[OriginFox]

You want to make something that doesn't have ears to hear sound?

Lmao

 

[God900]

You want to make something that doesn't have ears to hear sound?

As long as they have senses, and they can heard things as if they had, which is the case here, they would still be affected.

 

[Delta333]

Is avatar creation ability of true form key(1-A)?because this match is about high 7-A version

^

 

[OriginFox]

So far what I'm seeing is Pennywise is unable to affect AoC since it has no eyes. The only counter argument given is that Pennywise should be able to affect because it has consciousness which makes 0 sense to assume since that would be akin to type 3 madness manipulation instead of type 2. If Pennywise doesn't have feats of driving people insane without making direct eye contact then I don't see why it would work at all against AoC. The case with pennywise being able to affect people just via their consciousness also needs to be proven but like I said that is akin to type 3 not type 2.

Aoc has like no organic anatomy since its made from curses so this in it of it self should be enough to negate Pennhwise's hax. AoC has no ears in the first and never did, like it has literally never heard anything or seen anything so that also won't work.

I don't see what pennywise can even do here tbh. AoC can just curse Pennywise or bfr him to a non-existent multiverse.

 

[Bernkastelll]

but like I said that is akin to type 3 not type 2.

Pennywise Madness Hax is type 3

 

[OriginFox]

No it ain't. Type 3 is due to the nature of a character with the very act of looking at or trying to perceive them enough to drive people mad. Pennywise requires eye contact which means i could look at him without making eye contact and be perfectly fine, it's when he makes eye contact with the victim that they go mad. Even if that was somehow type 3 I still don't know how if would affect AoC which has no organic anatomy since its made from curses.

 

[Bernkastelll]

No it ain't. Type 3 is due to the nature of a character with the very act of looking at or trying to perceive them enough to drive people mad. Pennywise requires eye contact which means i could look at him without making eye contact and be perfectly fine, it's when he makes eye contact with the victim that they go mad. Even if that was somehow type 3 I still don't know how if would affect AoC which has no organic anatomy since its made from curses.

Pennywise is type 3, the deadlights shows Pennywise true form, making ppl go insane, it is stated in the profile

 

[OriginFox]

I'm just saying that explanation for type 3 madness manipulation is a bit weak. In anycase Pennywise still can't affect AoC while AoC can curse pennhwise which are type 2 nep in nature or bfr him to a non-exstient timeline

 

[Bernkastelll]

I'm just saying that explanation for type 3 madness manipulation is a bit weak

No, you wasnt saying that the explanation is weak, u was saying that it wasnt type 3, and no, the explanation its not '' a bit weak''.

Cognition: Those who possess this type drive others insane as a side-effect of the nature of their being, with the very act of looking at or attempting to perceive them being enough to send victims into a state of madness or terror. More extreme forms are capable of outright killing those who suffer from their effects.

and this is exactly what the deadlights does, it shows pennywise true form, making people goes insane

 

[OriginFox]

I guess but having to make eye contact to do that sounds like it should be type 2 since type 3 doesn't require doing anything.

 

[God900]

I'm just saying that explanation for type 3 madness manipulation is a bit weak. In anycase Pennywise still can't affect AoC while AoC can curse pennhwise which are type 2 nep in nature or bfr him to a non-exstient timeline

Actually, I just remembered a situation where he doesn't require eye contact. In the final book of the Dark Tower series, Roland comes across a creature named Dandelo who is described as an old man. Dandelo is heavily implied to be an avatar of It. He starts telling jokes until Roland is at the point where he's laughing hysterically to the point where he' near the verge of dying, if I recall correctly. And Roland is usually a dead serious person. It takes Stepehen King himself sending a note through another character to get the heroes out of the situation and find out Dandelo's nature (the note sent by King literally says "Here comes the deus ex machina!") It even briefly turns into a giant cockroach and then a clown as it dies.

So yeah, he can do it through sound too.

 

[Bernkastelll]

I guess but having to make eye contact to do that sounds like it should be type 2 since type 3 doesn't require doing anything.

These are different things, if it was Eye Contant making people goes insane it would be type 2, but the ''eye thing'' is due seeing the deadlight, that shows pennywise true form, it is different from pennywise making people crazy due eye contact, it is just the true form being shown to people, so, he is ''doing nothing'', its just his true form being shown, so, yeah, thats the reason that it is rated as type 3 instead of 2

 

[OriginFox]

Actually, I just remembered a situation where he doesn't require eye contact. In the final book of the Dark Tower series, Roland comes across a creature named Dandelo who is described as an old man. Dandelo is heavily implied to be an avatar of It. He starts telling jokes until Roland is at the point where he's laughing hysterically to the point where he' near the verge of dying, if I recall correctly. And Roland is usually a dead serious person. It takes Stepehen King himself sending a note through another character to get the heroes out of the situation and find out Dandelo's nature (the note sent by King literally says "Here comes the deus ex machina!") It even briefly turns into a giant cockroach and then a clown as it dies.

So yeah, he can do it through sound too.

Send scans for Dandelo being an avatar of IT. AoC literally has no ears, AoC doesn't even have organic anatomy since its made from curses so pennywise won't be able to affect AoC.

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

What is his Madness hax even do anyway? Driving AoC into madness?

Because last time I check, AoC is already mad enough trying to destroy Multiverse.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Because last time I check, AoC is already mad enough trying to destroy Multiverse.

these are not the same thing

 

[God900]

Send scans for Dandelo being an avatar of IT. AoC literally has no ears, AoC doesn't even have organic anatomy since its made from curses so pennywise won't be able to affect AoC.

As long as AOC have senses, and she can hear things as if she had, which is the case here, she would still be affected.
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[OriginFox]

Anyways voting AoC since Pennywise can't affect AoC since no has proven that he can also cuz AoC is made out of curses so. AoC on the other hand can curse pennywise with curses that are type 2 nep or bfr pennywise to a non-exstient timeline.

 

[Delta333]

again,can pennywise summon avatar in this key?if he can’t then AoC stomps due to the reason I said in another thread

 

[God900]

again,can pennywise summon avatar in this key?if he can’t then AoC stomps due to the reason I said in another thread

Is the 1-A self who creates them.

 

[Delta333]

Is the 1-A self who creates them.

Then AoC stomps and I will ask this thread to be closed

 

[OriginFox]

As long as AOC have senses, and she can hear things as if she had, which is the case here, she would still be affected.
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So far you've gone in a circle. AoC has no ears so how the hell would she hear anything? Aoc has no eyes so how the bell would she see anything? Having senses requires certain features which AoC doesn't have here. Furthermore no one has proven Pennywise can affect type 2 inorganic beings.

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

these are not the same thing

That's why I ask what does it do to the victim

 

[God900]

Then AoC stomps and I will ask this thread to be closed

No, as the 1-A self would be the one sending another Avatar.

 

[Delta333]

No, as the 1-A self would be the one sending another Avatar.

And this match is about high 7-A,1-A self has nothing to do here

 

[God900]

So far you've gone in a circle. AoC has no ears so how the hell would she hear anything? Aoc has no eyes so how the bell would she see anything? Having senses requires certain features which AoC doesn't have here. Furthermore no one has proven Pennywise can affect type 2 inorganic beings.

There are beings without ears and eyes, that can hear and see as if they had them anyway.

 

[Bernkastelll]

That's why I ask what does it do to the victim

it sent the victim in a state of terror, insanity, madness etc, leading it to kill theirself etc etc etc

 

[God900]

And this match is about high 7-A,1-A self has nothing to do here

Yeah, creating new Avatars if the old ones get incapped

 

[Bernkastelll]

And this match is about high 7-A,1-A self has nothing to do here

it does, when characters have things like immortality type 9 and their avatars can be created, the true form does it, there has several matches about it

 

[Delta333]

Yeah, creating new Avatars if the old ones get incapped

And?You can’t change the fact that it’s ability of 1-A key

there has several matches about it

two wrongs don’t make one right

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

it sent the victim in a state of terror, insanity, madness etc, leading it to kill theirself etc etc etc

Yeah, that's the thing. Those are basically AoC default state of minds.

 

[God900]

And?You can’t change the fact that it’s ability of 1-A key

That's how smurfery works. And it's accepted on the wiki that entities can send more Avatars to the fight if the old one gets incapped.

 

[Bernkastelll]

two wrongs don’t make one right

thats not a wrong thing, thats how the wiki works when it envolves immortality type 9 and avatars, u need to change the wiki way of work if u dont want it being used

 

[God900]

Yeah, that's the thing. Those are basically AoC default state of minds.

She never resisted that on a 1-A scale

 

[Bernkastelll]

Yeah, that's the thing. Those are basically AoC default state of minds.

u're saying that a 2-A madness state of being is the same as a 1-A madness state of being? AoC will just become way more insane and kill itself

 

[Delta333]

That's how smurfery works. And it's accepted on the wiki that entities can send more Avatars to the fight if the old one gets incapped.

thats not a wrong thing, thats how the wiki works when it envolves immortality type 9 and avatars, u need to change the wiki way of work if u dont want it being used

then send me a thread that it's accepted

 

[Delta333]

She never resisted that on a 1-A scale

I'm pretty sure I have told you that all Pennywise's abilities won't work due to lacking of NPI feat and now you suddenly bring this problem again?

 

[Bernkastelll]

I'm pretty sure I have told you that all Pennywise's abilities won't work due to lacking of NPI feat and now you suddenly bring this problem again?

Pennywise scales to characters that has BDE, Transduality etc, and he has NPI with Deadlights due it being also being able to control non physical things like souls, its even in the profile, im not even sure why he doesnt have ''NPI'' rated on it

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

u're saying that a 2-A madness state of being is the same as a 1-A madness state of being? AoC will just become way more insane and kill itself

The potency isn't the problem here. It's the fact that AoC is already in the state of insanity. Whether Penny madness hax makes it more insane or not changes absolutely nothing to AoC.

Oh, and the killing itself part. Nothing in AoC offensive hax can even kill itself, AoC has this broken resurrection that can revive it from EE. AoC will need something like concept destruction to kill itself.