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1.Pennywise doesn't have NPI feat on profile
2.BDE and transdual are irrelevant to NPI feat
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Battle for the 1st stronger High 7-A spot.
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2.BDE and transdual are irrelevant to NPI feat
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I will be doing a CRT for that soon, I'm a verse supporter of The Dark Tower.
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He doesnt have NPI despite having Soul hax? u know, the profile is lacking content, they are outdated, soul hax is a proof of NPI
affecting BDE and transduality dudes is a blatant example of NPI
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Becouse the profile is outdated as hell.
Also, Pennywise is Incorporeal al too, and can absorb souls which is NPI, Pennywise true form are the Deadlights itself, so Madness Hax should work just fine.
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The profile is outdated as hell.
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affecting sould hax won't help much since AoC is miasma
sorry what?
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He can affect souls which is NPI.
He dragged bill's Mind and Soul through the whole universe with his true form. That's a solid NPI feat.
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I said it to prove that he has NPI.
BDE is literally transcending dimensionality as a whole, ur nature is not even physical in that state, the nature is incompreensible, and about transduality, we have this
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Transduality is the state of being wherein an entity exists independently of, and qualitatively beyond, various dual systems, ranging from very specific, limited sets of dual distinctions to duality itself on a conceptual level. If the 0 and 1 of binary systems can be considered a duality, a transdual character’s fundamental existence might be definable as being in-between the numbers of 0 and 1, but also defined as being a “2”, or as standing outside of the code completely at the higher levels.
As it stands, Type 1 corresponds to being beyond certain kinds of dual systems (Light and Dark, in and out, Fire and Ice, Sound and Silence, etc), but not all duality, Type 2 refers to characters whose existence may be beyond all dual systems within the nature of their reality, but not duality itself on a conceptual level, Type 3 refers to characters whose fundamental nature exists beyond the concept of duality, and Type 4 refers to characters whose existence belongs to alternate logical states wherein even the distinction between duality and transduality is irrelevant, as well as, in extremely rare cases, potentially those who can access impossible binary systems beyond the transdual on a conceptual level.''
So, affecting characters with transduality is not a physical feat, it is non physical
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I mean mind haxxing soul doesn't mean it can affect miasma
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he can affect souls, it is in the profile, it is a blatant NPI feat
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I will sleep, I will come back in some hours
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He dragged bill's MIND and SOUL with his bare TONGUE through the universe, he has a solid NPI, which means that Pennywise would be able to interact with Miasma which is also a Non corporeal thing.
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Transdual beings only have good hax resistance,you can find in any thread in this wiki and there is no any thread said that they're incorporeal by default
About BDE,there are possible uses in that page but if you actually skip it then I will drop here for you so you can read it again:
- Irrelevant Strength: Due to the concepts of space and volume not applying to these beings whatsoever, their strength is irrelevant.
- Irrelevant Speed: As the concept of distance (at least in a spatial-dimension sense) does not apply to them at greater levels, the notion of speed is irrelevant. Most beings of the boundless type are omnipresent.
- Higher-Dimensional Manipulation: In many cases, these beings possess the same capabilities as higher-dimensional ones, but on a level where any dimensional size does not matter.
- Large Size: The concepts of spatio-temporal size and dimensionality do not apply to them. Meta-Abstracts are of a "size" where even infinite-dimensional creatures would be nonexistent in comparison, and those of Type 3 are of a "size" where they would encompass Meta-Abstracts to a point where they are infinitesimal in comparison as described above.
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you need suitable NPI to affect different incorporeal beings,by your logic then almost characters in bleach can interact with Nep type 2 or concept type 2 because they can interact with soul lol
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He doesn't have any resistance to life absorption at all.
AoC wins by literally doing nothing then.
AoC wins by literally doing nothing then.
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I already provided you evidence on how Pennywise's true form is able to touch minds and even souls.
Anyway, I'm going to study, I will reply later.
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again you can't treat all NPI feats are same type,why you and Bern are trying to not understand it?
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BW i vote penny FRA. at best it's an incon for AoC, as anything AoC does isn't doing jack shit to 1-A penny where 7-A penny gets his hax from if i am correct.
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The otherway actually. Pennywise can't do shit since no one who is supporting pennywise has proven he can drive AoC mad sincr AoC is an inorganic beings. God900's only argument is that pennywise can affect AoC because its conscious which makes no sense since AoC has no organic anatomy. AoC just passively incaps all Avatars via life drain, curses which are type 2 nep, or bfr to non exstient time line
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Can you send me a link to the thread you were talking about?
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it's in the two last page,and actually almost everything I said in that thread is not different in here,God900 also agreed that Pennywise can't do anything against AoC but for unknown reason in this thread he suddenly brings all old stuff and that makes me a little bit annoyed
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Pennywise dies before he even knows it due to passive life absorption. And we have been establish it that it took him years to create another avatar.
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Now I have a little break, anyway, I already said that was becouse Pennywise's true form was severaly injured by being psychically attacked through the ritual of chüd, and by the psych power of humans amped by 1-A entities above Pennywise's paygrade.
As Pennywise's true form and the Avatar are linked, is obvious that Pennywise had to recover before going after them, It would be stupid for him to create a new Avatar right after the moment he was defeated, as the Avatar would be weakened and injured just the same way as the True form (The Deadlights) is.....
If Pennywise's True form wasn't damaged to the point that it couldn't even sustain the avatar it was already using (the second time around, said avatar even began bleeding from multiple inexplicable wounds and couldn't even regenerate from having its heart ripped out), then it almost assuredly would have sent another one in to kill them. As it was, it managed to wipe all of the Losers' memories as its avatar was dying, presumably as one last act of either spite or self-preservation.
Which, again, was what happened in the novel.
This happens with everyone with Avatar creation, in most cases the Avatar and the true self are linked, that's how smurfery works.
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If he can affect soul, he can affect Miasma
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Apologies if I missed something, but AoC's profile doesn't say anything about it being non-physical, just that it lacks a soul.
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the profile is outdated,I have told SD to add it on its profile and he said he will do that soon when he has free time(basically AoC is Wraith and you can see Wraith has immaterial intangibility)
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Regarding It's lack of ability to spam avatars, true, it can't do that and its takes it more than 20 years to create a new one if it's been damaged. But it did lay a load of eggs during the timeskip so that more avatars could be present. The losers club manage to destroy all of the eggs, but aren't completely sure if they got all of them. So any match where Pennywise would "spam" avatars would have to be a theoretical scenario where all of its eggs have hatched.
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I already said that was becouse Pennywise's true form was severaly injured by being psychically attacked through the ritual of chüd, and by the psych power of humans amped by 1-A entities above Pennywise's paygrade.
As Pennywise's true form and the Avatar are linked, is obvious that Pennywise had to recover before going after them, It would be stupid for him to create a new Avatar right after the moment he was defeated, as the Avatar would be weakened and injured just the same way as the True form (The Deadlights) is.....
If Pennywise's True form wasn't damaged to the point that it couldn't even sustain the avatar it was already using (the second time around, said avatar even began bleeding from multiple inexplicable wounds and couldn't even regenerate from having its heart ripped out), then it almost assuredly would have sent another one in to kill them. As it was, it managed to wipe all of the Losers' memories as its avatar was dying, presumably as one last act of either spite or self-preservation.
Which, again, was what happened in the novel.
This happens with everyone with Avatar creation, in most cases the Avatar and the true self are linked, that's how smurfery works.
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I just remembered, some of It's forms (such as the vampire and the spider) can communicate via telepathy. So AoC not having ears shouldn't be an issue.
As for It being able to non-physically interact with things, it uses its spider form to fling its victim's minds across the macroverse and into the deadlights. It's not an illusion, and I'm pretty sure the word "soul" is never used, though I would have to check, my copy of the book is at another house. It's an abstract part of the victim's mind that's being transported.
Edit: Okay; so according to Pennywise's sheet on this site, Bill's soul was transported along with his mind. My point still stands though, his mind was still dragged.
As for It being able to non-physically interact with things, it uses its spider form to fling its victim's minds across the macroverse and into the deadlights. It's not an illusion, and I'm pretty sure the word "soul" is never used, though I would have to check, my copy of the book is at another house. It's an abstract part of the victim's mind that's being transported.
Edit: Okay; so according to Pennywise's sheet on this site, Bill's soul was transported along with his mind. My point still stands though, his mind was still dragged.
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I wanna see where did he got the source
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This form still has type 9 immortality in his key
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What is AoT's likely starting move? Cause if it doesn't use time stop on the spider form immediately, then It is gonna telepathically talk to AoT, leaving it vulnerable to the deadlights.
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Telepathy isn't the same thing as hearing though. Telepathy by definition is "the supposed communication of thoughts or ideas by means other than the known senses."
AoC starts with passive life drain, absorption, curses, and power mimicry though power mimicry and absorption won't be useful here. I don't see how Pennywise can do anything against AoC passive curses which are type 2 nep and passive life drain constantly incaptaing the avatars which is a win con iirc.
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Regarding the distinction between telepathy and hearing, I don't think it matters much in this case? The victim will still be hearing It's voice in their head.
When Henry Bowers was stuck in prison, Pennywise used an illusion to project itself on the moon and used telepathy to talk to him, causing his mental state to degrade in the process.
And yeah, I don't see what Penny can do against passive life drain.
When Henry Bowers was stuck in prison, Pennywise used an illusion to project itself on the moon and used telepathy to talk to him, causing his mental state to degrade in the process.
And yeah, I don't see what Penny can do against passive life drain.
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