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Battle for 5th Strongest 7-C (Non-Smurf): Father vs Zonda

Alright, looking at Gunvolt's profile Father should definitely take this with relative ease. I see nothing on his profile putting him on Father's level.


Father has a massive stock-pile of over 500 thousand souls in him, granting him Low-high Regenerationn, type 8 immortality and Resurrection. Gunvolt would need to kill Father that many times to kill him, which is doubtful that he'd even be able to kill him to begin with. This Father has soul-**** hax that he uses in character, has a force-field that's thought based, that can reflect non-physical attacks and hax, said force field also have the ability to automatically deconstruct and liquefy any attacks that come into contact with him. Father can also absorb his opponents entirely, the Soul and the body. And he can also power null, as long as he can understand abilities, and with Father's knowledge that's a lot, given his nigh omniscience.


( He'll be even more broken once he gets every Alchemy ability in the verse. )
 
The Prince of Counters said:
And he can also power null, as long as he can understand abilities, and with Father's knowledge that's a lot, given his nigh omniscience.
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Is this yhwach? His power null seems based on transmutation abilities though.
 
Not quite, like if he understands the ability ( through sheer knowledge.) then he can nullify the ability, I.E he needs to understand the ability scientifically and Gunvolt doesn't have anything Father wouldn't be able to understand here.
 
The Prince of Counters said:
Not quite, like if he understands the ability ( through sheer knowledge.) then he can nullify the ability, I.E he needs to understand the ability scientifically and Gunvolt doesn't have anything Father wouldn't be able to understand here.
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So if it is straight up magic he cant power null it since there is no "scientific" process?
 
Not quite, for example he'd be able to null magical attack's that are based on elements, such as fire, water, etc, and some haxxed such as Deconstruction and along those lines. If Father is smart enough to understand abilities he'll be able to negate them. ( As in he can't negate shit he can't understand, like Existence Erasure, Causality Manipulation, Fate hax,etc. Only applies to hax that have some type of knowledge that Father has the capability to understand. )
 
I would have gone with Cope instead as Gunvolt is inferior in variety to Copen in nearly every way.

As TBH I can see GV just getting hax'd, which wouldn't happen as easily as with Copen out of him also holding some variety and stuff overall than GV.
 
Father still takes this for the reasons I gave above. ( Tbh Zonda shouldn't even have type 2 Inorganic but I'll make a CRT for that. Not even sure if he has that in this key. )


So Father still power nulls, absorbs, reflects, deconstructs and outlasts. And if Zonda doesn't have Non Existence in this key then he's getting his soul ripped and absorbed. Alternatively Father can also BFR into a endless dimension once his new CRT gets accepted.
 
Zonda dosn't have inorgainic in general, only her illusions do. It's just one of her keys is herself as an illusion.

Powernull is a no because Septimas =/= Alchemy. Even just a different type of alchemy says no to Father's powernull. Septimas come from the soul, body and mind. I'm pretty sure Alchemy comes from external forces. If you make it so someone's sink dosn't work, that dosn't mean they can't spit at you.

Zonda summons duplicates of The Seven in character, forcing Father to fight all of them. Including Tenjian, who has Absolute Zero and shatters people on the atomic level. She also likes to make an illusionary maze-but-not-actually-a-maze-more-like-a-building that means Father can't just run to her.

Zonda's deconstruction is better than Fahter's resistance, as well.
 
Zonda dosn't have inorgainic in general, only her illusions do. It's just one of her keys is herself as an illusion.

So so essentially irrelevant for this match.


Powernull is a no because Septimas =/= Alchemy. Even just a different type of alchemy says no to Father's powernull. Septimas come from the soul, body and mind. I'm pretty sure Alchemy comes from external forces. If you make it so someone's sink dosn't work, that dosn't mean they can't spit at you.


I already explained how his power null works, so yes it should be able to work here as long as Father can understand the mechanics behind the ability. It doesn't only apply to Alchemy.


Zonda summons duplicates of The Seven in character, forcing Father to fight all of them. Including Tenjian, who has Absolute Zero and shatters people on the atomic level. She also likes to make an illusionary maze-but-not-actually-a-maze-more-like-a-building that means Father can't just run to her.


Absolute Zero gets countered by Father's force-field, you can't freeze somthing that doesn't contain atoms to begin with. Ergo AZ is useless against Father, and he has ress that's based on a stock pile of over 500 thousand souls, Father can simply nuke the building quite easily so that's a non factor.


I doubt Zonda has better Deconstruction than Father's Resistance. MoS Edward's Alchemy works at a sub atomic level, and Scar's Deconstruction scales above that.
 
Correct

Nobody in-universe understands how Septimas work. I doubt Father could figure it out if he didn't figure out alchahestry mid-combat. It's like playing Hero. How are you supposed to predict someone who can't predict themselves?

Still, he needs to fight seven people. Who may or may not be buffed to Zonda's level since it's an attack she uses in active combat so they can damage people who can take hits from her. Not to mention, if someone breaks through that barrier, he's a squishy tier 8 in dura. If Tenjian hits him, there won't be anything for him to regen from, just ice. Low-High isn't enough to regenerate from atomic destruction. Also, Teseo can convert matter into data.

Alright, I agree, the resistance is better. But the pain would still apply.
 
Mid-comabt, and that was Father before he absorbed the Gates, which gives him nigh omniscience. And Father isn't tier 8 in terms of durability, his durability scales to 7-C without his force-field, the Father you'd be thinking of is Father when God rejects him.


Also Father and Hohenheim even before obtaining the Gates have much better feats of intelligence than anything shown in AZG as far as I'm aware.
 
SBA means his strongest 7-C key, which is Farther after losing his 50 million Souls, his second strongest 7-C key is his evolved form and his stronger key in general is his Gates Absorbed key, but thats tier 5 and 4.


Edit: Philosopher Stone users actually should have low-godly Regenerationn, which I'll explain in my FMA blog which I plan on making sometime within the next few days.
 
Also, this fight would only effect the Speed Equal part of 5th strongest. Zonda is probably much higher in the non-smurf 7-C hiarchy with speed unequal. Even with the speed downgrades are happening for ASG, Zonda still would have a ~10,863x speed advantage against Father. Even if Low-Godly is given to Father, it has a definate limit that would be broken in under a second speed unequal.
 
I actually have some plans for FMA feats, so the speed won't be that much of an issue once i get everything done.


Low Godly would be based on the stock pile of over 500 thousand souls, Zonda would have to kill him a lot before he could actually take Father down, and in that time Father can put up his force field. But this is irrelevant since speed is Equalized.
 
Argument from disbelief isn't an actual argument, so you'll need to wait for that to conclude, and I'd say that possibility is possible, who it would scale to is up for debate however.


And are you sure about that? Because if thats the case them Zonda would be able to take no 1 for being faster than everyone.
 
People forget speed unequal exists sometimes. Also, I've looked at the list, and there's only one enemy her speed advantage is actually useful against. Slime Datta Ken characters are 4th and 3rd for pete's sake.
 
So then something needs to be done about that, but I doubt they'd forget it for 4 threads straight and I haven't seen anyone use speed to get characters there. Should probably ask the OP about that.
 
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