Battle for 4th Strongest 6-C: Heavenly Record Eater vs Negi Springfield

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

• First key HRE and Negi-Ialda are being used
• Speed equalized if needed
• SBA

VOTES:

• HRE:
• Negi:
• Incon:

 

[PhantomØ4]

Uh, the heavenly record eater mind manipulates him/put him under hsi command and GG? I don't really know Negi but he only seemed to have limited resistance to Mind Manipulation according to the profile.

 

[John985]

How strong is his mind manipulation? Negi can resist up to 12 billion passively for 20 years.

It more like the heavenly record is going to be mind hax by Negi-Ialda.

I dont even know what tab your looking if you think he only have limited mind manip resistance.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

HRE cant be mindhaxed since he has precog

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

And his mind is connected to his true self. You'd need 2-C range to affect it

 

[John985]

And you think he have the potency to mind hax him? That's why I ask how many can he mind hax. And you need Non-Physical Interaction to affect negi.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Well, if Negi resists in the billions then he can resist HRE's mindhax.

 

[John985]

12 billion is actually the low balled number.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

HRE can interact with Negi by manipulating space and reality tho

 

[John985]

The vote of abyss should be invalid, because he's reasoning is mind hax.

 

[PhantomØ4]

I dont even know what tab your looking if you think he only have limited mind manip resistance.

Post Death/Rebirth, it's the only tab with mind manipulatiom resistance listed.

 

[John985]

It is empathic Manipulation, which include possession, mind control and curroption. He resisted the continuous effect of it for 20 years.

 

[Ranzuki]

12 billion is actually the low balled number.

It is a lowball number since the souls who possess him includes all people who died in the past so the real number should be more or less 120 billion people.

 

[PhantomØ4]

Well, then. Yeah, the HRE should not be able to mind hax him but Negi cannot mind hax the HRE.

But as EmperorDoom said, the HRE should still be able to affect him via Reality Warping/Manipulating Space-Time.

 

[John985]

A weaker clone of him survive that kind of attack.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

On a 2-C/2-B scale?

 

[John985]

I dont think you can scale that kind of feat though. Just saying on 2-C and 2-B scale doesnt mean anything.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

What do you mean? HRE's avatar can use the True Form power, who can destroy numerous (likely countless) universes in a single shot

 

[John985]

At most you need EE just to destroy him. Because other immortals can regen via they're souls.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Upgrade his regen to Low-Godly, if thats the case. Because he only has Mid-High

 

[John985]

 

[PhantomØ4]

Yeah, his regen should be upgraded if that is the case.


But while that certainly helps him, unfourtunatley the HRE is not limited to space destruction (which would be Space-Time rather than just space but whatever). He could simply manipulate space to BFR him since he can manipulate it freely.

 

[PhantomØ4]

Wait, if a twist in time can put him down then the HRE should be able to do it. He has free control over space-time.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Where is Negi? Thats Touta

 

[John985]

That was him between time that he was about to be erase. Yes that's Touta, but Negi scale to him, being a weaker copy and all.

 

[PhantomØ4]

So he cannot regen from a temporal attack?

The HRE should still be capable of BFRing him.

 

[John985]

There's no BFR on the profile.

More like why are we talking about this? I think Negi have the AP advantage, he can just destroy him every time he create an avatar. He got Virtually limitless stamina

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Negi can at best force an inconclusive, since the HRE will be just ressurecting over and over again

 

[PhantomØ4]

Or, just like... rewind time to break free from the chains of the death awaiting him in the future and not die in the first place.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Yeah, that works too

 

[John985]

Or, just like... rewind time to break free from the chains of the death awaiting him in the future and not die in the first place.

? He got immortality type 1.

I think I remember reading this in one of the thread before. If you can destroy your enemy continuously everytime he regen, that can still be a win.

 

[PhantomØ4]

Also, I don't think the AP difference is that big between Negi and the HRE for him to simply destroy him everytime as easily as it is being implied.

Scaling above 14.74 Gigatons (Negi) vs Casually scaling above 13.41 Gigatons (HRE)

How does his Type 1 even help? I am talking about the HRE rewinding time backwards to not die in the first place. Not about him rewinding time forwards.

I'm still confused about the temporal attacks. It seems he cannot regenerate from them and the HRE should be able to do them.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Or, just like... rewind time to break free from the chains of the death awaiting him in the future and not die in the first place.

? He got immortality type 1.
I think I remember reading this in one of the thread before. If you can destroy your enemy continuously everytime he regen, that can still be a win.

A win is only accepted via Death, BFR or Incap

 

[John985]

The reason he wasnt able to survive that attack is because one of the character use a mirror that connect to the past, and touta destroyed that mirror to go to the past. But when the mirror was destroyed the dimension of that place was breaking down too, so he was stuck and was about to be erase between time.

 

[PhantomØ4]

I see, thanks for the clarification. Well, the HRE cant put him down on due to his low godly Regenerationn (which should probably be fixed on Negi's profile). I'll try to get BFR added to his profile but for now that is out of the question.

Can Negi do anything against the HRE rewinding time backwards to a state in which Negi was weaker? That is the only other option I see as of right now.

 

[John985]

Can Negi do anything against the HRE rewinding time backwards to a state in which Negi was weaker? That is the only other option I see as of right now.

Im not sure on this, because he's power currently came from someone who have live for 2600+ and all the souls in the solar system. Which is is currently 12 billion, but it should be higher cause all the dead people are also connected with him.

It might actually this number though 130 billion.

https://www.prb.org/howmanypeoplehaveeverlivedonearth/

 

[PhantomØ4]

Yeah but the HRE is not rewinding their time back, just Negi's. Like he would just need to rewind Negi's time to the point to which he was not connected to all the dead people or whatever (Negi's age seems to only be 96 instead of billions of years)

But, I do not think that would limit the HRE regardless. Since his true body is one with the space time of countless world's he freely alters the surrounding space times at will.

 

[John985]

Yeah he is only 96, but Im talking about the one who is inside him.

 

[PhantomØ4]

The HRE just needs to rewind time before the point whoever is inside him got inside him (rewind him to his first key or something). It/they should not have an effect on the battle at that point.

 

[PhantomØ4]

O I just realized you were refering to the amount of souls. That should be no problem at all. Whatever billions of souls cannot compete with 2-C to 2-B potency.