You do realize that Naruto harmed Madara's Limbo right? Sasuke even commented on it.
Madara got hit by Naruto's Magnet Style Rasegan, and Sasuke's Onyx Chidori at same time, and was more or less confused.
Why can't the Sharp Spear be more powerful than a Chidori?
He was controlling the arm… with his MS… Sakura’s AP justification literally says that.
Haven't Damage and Arc explained this numerous times to you by now?
That's not what I'm trying to say. Against Sakura, Shin was not controlling the blade to fight for him via his MS. He is only coating his arm area with his MS as a replacement for his lost arm. The force of his punches completely depends on Shin's physical capability.
They did
It's a Durability feat, just not a Six Paths level Durability Feat. You know what KE feats are right?
The only time Sasuke "tanked" an attack from a Six Paths tier character is when he was blocking Madara's Limbo
They didn't.
How in the world is it not a Six paths durability feat. Even if we take KE into account, we can conclude from how SPSM Naruto was unable to halt his own movement on the air after Kaguya hit him so hard yet Sasuke stopped the movement immediately. That is a low-end relativity for durability feat.
Apparently, Arc thinks Sasuke didn't tank it. But that wasn't the only feat. He talked Kaguya’s casual slam to the rock with her hair. He had the exact same reaction with SPSM Naruto when he got slammed by her hair as well. I kept the link in the post.
They did you're just an Mrk
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Not even close to Tier 5
They didn't. Show me when they explained why it wasn't a durability feat.
Okay? What is this supposed to prove?Kinetic Energy Feats
In physics, the kinetic energy of an object is the energy that it possesses due to its motion. It is defined as the work needed to accelerate a body of a given mass from rest to its stated velocity. Having gained this energy during its acceleration, the body maintains this kinetic energy unless...
It is tier 5. Even if everyone disagrees with that, no one can debunk the limbo scaling where Sasuke could tank its attack.
That you're a Mrk that still doesn't understand why this isn't a Tier 5 Durability feat even when linked with a page on how these kinds of feats work.
Based on what? Naruto's Durability being 5-B, or you scaling the force of Naruto's KE to that of Kaguya's AP?
You'd be correct on that
You do realize that even if Sasuke having 5-B durability is agreed upon, that doesn’t help your proposal at all, right?
No, we didn’t. Darui is 5-B because he was pressuring Momoshiki. That’s actually an AP feat. Please actually look at the profiles before making claims like this. Clashing with someone with 5-B durability does not equate to 5-B striking strength.
When did he ever pressure Momoshiki. The only thing he ever did was a clash with him once. The most he did was chase Momoshiki which I wouldn't count as "pressuring" because Gaara was assisting him. It's evidently highlighted in his profile for SS and AP that he's mainly 5B because he clashed with Momoshiki. There was no link to even prove that he pressured Momoshiki in his profile.
This is for AP. Clashing with someone who has 5B durability equates to 5B AP.
How is Sasuke getting a durability rating from someone else's durability?
It's not like if Naruto had kept on spinning, he was going to crash into the rocks and nuke the dimension with the impact
Wow. How can you guys say this when you also believe an exhausted Base Naruto at half power is planet level in Boruto era? This sounds very hypocritical since it looks like you guys just pick whatever scaling you want for your own gain. You claim it's an outlier because KCM+SP is supposed to be a massive amp but do we forget that it doesn't matter what the amp is as long as there are feats to back it up. You guys allow Naruto to scale to Fused Momoshiki(Someone you consider>Kaguya) yet you think base EoS Naruto shouldn't scale to 1 eyed Juubidara because you just don't want to. It doesn't take a blind guy to point out the obvious hypocrisy here.
And Naruto keeping up with Momoshiki isn't? Why do we allow that feat for adult Naruto but can't allow EoS base Naruto keeping up with Rinnegan Sasuke?
Your initial claim was Sasuke getting 5-B durability via halting Naruto who has 5-B durabilityWho said it was off someone's else durability? Sasuke by himself has a 5B durability feat which is via tanking an attack from 2-eyed Juubidara's limbo
Because they high enough into the tier that cutting it in half would still be planet level, even then to compare the performance of Adult Naruto with EOS Naruto is disingenuous
it's based on consistency and lack of anti feats, Base Naruto has a single panel's worth of feats that gets contradicted by things that happened prior and things that happen right afterwards.
There isn't hypocrisy, the difference is one feat doesn't have a ridiculous amount of context to make it suspect.
because Base adult naruto has ridiculously more feats and statements, meaning it becomes harder to call it and Outlier.
How is an exhausted base Naruto as an adult high enough into planet level? On what basis would that be? I'm comparing EoS Naruto to Adult Naruto because both of them have low-end six paths feats but you are only accepting the adult one, not the younger one for apparently no good reason.
Please tell me you didn't just say this about EoS base Naruto when adult Naruto has even worse antifeat such as him getting out-reacted by Base Momshiki
Why not? There are many characters on battle wiki that get upgraded based on just one feat. Darui is the biggest example of that. Just him clashing with Momoshiki upgraded him to 5B.
"Objectively millions of times weaker" means nothing when that version of Madara is still 5B. I'm not telling you to downscale anybody. Where did you see that? 2 eyed Madara>1 eyed Madara. Sasuke tanked an attack from 2 eyed Madara making him have a 5B durability. The same way you claim that VOTE SPSM Naruto is stronger than SPSM Naruto that got slapped by 1 eyed Madara's limbo, is the same way EoS base Naruto became a lot stronger than the war arc versions. There's no way to determine base EoS Naruto is weaker than SPSM Naruto which struggled with 1-eyed Madara when we see EoS Base Naruto with a better feat than early SPSM Naruto.
Statements? What statement does Base adult Naruto have that makes it not an outlier? EoS Naruto has a feat to back him up just like Adult Base Naruto. It's actually very ridiculous that you can't accept a feat from EoS base NAruto(who has no antifeat since that's his only feat at EoS) yet you were desperately defending the 5 kages who had a lot more antifeats to be scaled to 5B during the Narutoverse revisions. This seems absurd to me.
To be fair, Naruto didn't "no-sell" Sasuke's Chidori in the purest sense. He visibly grunted in pain and got punted.
I'm not gonna argue for Sasuke being physically equal with SPSM Naruto, but this instance can be easily shrugged aside by the fact that Sasuke and Naruto's Avatars took equal amounts of damage in their clash. It's only logical that Kaguya would have fodderized Naruto's Avatar as well with the same attack.
There is no evidence that shows Darui "pressuring" Momoshiki and the only thing that looks even close to that is when Gaara was assisting him with his sand to float on air while chasing Momoshiki.
Because Darui actually scales to Momoshiki’s AP and Naruto actually scales to Fused Momoshiki’s AP. They don’t need to scale to their durability.
Sasuke(Rinnegan) explicitly has a 5B AP tier on the wiki.
If Darui, who did not harm Momoshiki yet still scaled to Momoshiki's AP just by clashing, then base Naruto should also scale to Rinnegan Sasuke's AP(who is 5B) just by clashing as well. Darui never harmed Momoshiki but the fact that his AP was relative to Momoshiki just by clashing makes him 5B. The same case is supposed to apply with EoW base Naruto.
Yeah, his AP with jutsu. Not his physical AP.
Momoshiki is physically 5-B, Sasuke is not. This comparison is invalid.
Shin is unknown physically, but 5B with his MS controlled blade that is launched telekinetically with his MS eyeballs
Despite the fact that Shin with his MS-controlled arm isn't 5B. It's his MS-controlled blade that moves telekinetically that's supposed to be 5B. Sakura clashing with the MS-arm blades doesn't make her 5B because that is still an action performed physically by Shin Uchiha. You see why that makes no sense since it's exactly the same way I've been arguing for base Naruto to scale physically to rinnegan Sasuke who is only 5B with rinnegan.
Momoshiki being physically 5B in base is something that is unprovable. All that's stated on the wiki is that "he is superior to Kinshiki". That is not valuable evidence at all to scale his physicals to 5B because we can only confirm that Momoshiki>Kinshiki is as a result of overall power hierarchy. We don't know exactly what makes base Momoshiki superior to Kinshiki physically. The same way Isshiki is superior to Kaguya in physical but weaker than her ETSB is the same way it's possible Momoshiki might not be as strong as Kinshiki physically but we also can't prove that which is why Base Momoshiki is supposed to be unknown physically and in striking strength as well. Base Momoshiki has no striking strength feat that puts him at 5B. It's like assuming rinnegan Sasuke is 5B physically because he is equal to SPSM Naruto.
That isn't the official coloring so I'm skeptical, especially since the end of the chapter before that one has Naruto using SPSMHAHAHAHAHA I finally found a striking feat for Base Naruto and it makes me feel so stupid because of how obvious it is. The anime version made me think it was SPSM Naruto. It wasn't until I checked both the coloured and non-coloured scans did I discover it was just base Naruto.
Note: Madara still healing doesn't matter because Madara himself still claimed Naruto's power had actually grown. We could see the damage he caused to the god tree immediately after he punched Madara. Madara was still able to react regardless of his situation but he still got pressured by base Naruto.
