Ban vs Ji Ning

[Planck69]

Just imagine if we did it like this.

****, Ning be vibing on Bleach even in his Xiantian key.

Yeah. As it stands Ning vibes on the HST from like 3rd key.

 

[Makai641001]

.....Are all those specific instances though? Like, each shown to negate the last? I'd hope so else the same logic can be applied to Ning by going "Early Houtian <Mid Houtian < Late Houtian < Early Xiantian.....". Which is obviously exaggerated.

Gave explanations for pretty much everything the weirdest here it the melascula enchanted thing that might be in 4kota

Are there actual scans of this and such? If so then showcase them and if they fit then sure, Ning would have to rely on Danmaku, skill and fire attacks. Not much of a disadvantage but notable.

Oh that’s a lot of scans sure I’ll try to find some of them (all If I have time for it)

 

[XDragnoir]

Soul manipulation
Casual demon race soul manipulation = druid purge

it’s the base layer of red/Gray demons

< zaratras sacrifice purge

Which could basically get Fraudrin out of his brother’s body

< unsealed meliodas/Ten commandment resistance

Impossible for Purge to affect them or even Archangels if they aren’t MASSIVELY WEAKENED

< melascula spell

Could affect Unsealed Meli (He managed to retain his soul for a moment

< melascula echanted spell

just stronger might be 4kota related here since the Soul Manip is stated to be far beyond anything she had before due to chaos amp

< cusack resonance

can access the mind/Soul of people that have blessings even though it won’t work if they strengthen their soul

< supreme deity blessing resistance

Stopped Resonance easily

< purgatory gnaw soul resistance

Even Merlin can’t go there + complete soul destruction you transform into formles being etc…

< demon king soul/emotion stealing

Could affect Meli that is immune to purgatory

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I should warn you that resistance to soul hax only covers the shown subsets, so those first layers that seem to only have soul absorption/removal wouldn't add to their layers of resistance against soul destruction.

 

[Arkenis]

changing my vote to Ji Ning. Did not know Ban didnt have regen in post purg.

 

[Makai641001]

Are there actual scans of this and such? If so then showcase them and if they fit then sure, Ning would have to rely on Danmaku, skill and fire attacks. Not much of a disadvantage but notable.

Here I tried to find most of the panels (they were in profiles for most of them)
I Also explained the layers earlier if you have question

 

[Makai641001]

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I should warn you that resistance to soul hax only covers the shown subsets, so those first layers that seem to only have soul absorption/removal wouldn't add to their layers of resistance against soul destruction.

Purge is considered as Soul destruction too look at the profile red demons Also destroy souls once they absorb them

changing my vote to Ji Ning. Did not know Ban didnt have regen in post purg.

he does he still had it after Purgatory and gave it away later to Elaine i think the thread creator wanted to use him with immortality since He called him undead guy

 

[Makai641001]

Are there actual scans of this and such? If so then showcase them and if they fit then sure, Ning would have to rely on Danmaku, skill and fire attacks. Not much of a disadvantage but notable.

For the Danmaku thing i think Ban could counter it with range and He would be faster

for the skill part i think Ning is more skilled but He would be massively weaker and slower up to not being able to use his energy anymore

Fire attacks ? How hot are they ? Would He be able to touch Ban if He can’t see or sense him ?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Soul manipulation
Casual demon race soul manipulation = druid purge

it’s the base layer of red/Gray demons

< zaratras sacrifice purge

Which could basically get Fraudrin out of his brother’s body

< unsealed meliodas/Ten commandment resistance

Impossible for Purge to affect them or even Archangels if they aren’t MASSIVELY WEAKENED

< melascula spell

Could affect Unsealed Meli (He managed to retain his soul for a moment

< melascula echanted spell

just stronger might be 4kota related here since the Soul Manip is stated to be far beyond anything she had before due to chaos amp

< cusack resonance

can access the mind/Soul of people that have blessings even though it won’t work if they strengthen their soul

< supreme deity blessing resistance

Stopped Resonance easily

< purgatory gnaw soul resistance

Even Merlin can’t go there + complete soul destruction you transform into formles being etc…

< demon king soul/emotion stealing

Could affect Meli that is immune to purgatory

 

[Makai641001]

?
i gave scans and explanations if you want

 

[Rikimarox2]

Doubt Ban could counter it, wth is he gonna do with range alone? Is he the type to abuse range? He sure doesn't seem like that from the scans I've seen on other threads.

And why in god's name would he be stronger and faster than Ning? Ning one shots people who one shots people who are 6-C+. Even if Ban's AP was like 90 gigatons, it still wouldn't be an advantage and at best equal things out.

Also speed is equalized, and Ning can just make forcefields of fire and shiz, can summon it on top of Ban as well, and all of this is via a simple thought. Also, has ban ever used this Zero Sign ability in combat?

Oh yeah, if Ban has anything that requires touch, then you might as well disregard them because he's never touching Ning unless the fight extends for so long.

 

[Arkenis]

he does he still had it after Purgatory and gave it away later to Elaine i think the thread creator wanted to use him with immortality since He called him undead guy

@YoutubeForKing So does Ban have regen in this match or nah? It's what I'm basing my vote on.

 

[Makai641001]

Doubt Ban could counter it, wth is he gonna do with range alone? Is he the type to abuse range? He sure doesn't seem like that from the scans I've seen on other threads.

He could hit Small ennemies all across the country he did when he has too

And why in god's name would he be stronger and faster than Ning? Ning one shots people who one shots people who are 6-C+. Even if Ban's AP was like 90 gigatons, it still wouldn't be an advantage and at best equal things out.

He absorbs the stats of his opps Ji would be lowered Ban would be amped
Ban could already reduce the stats of people stronger than him to 0 in seconds

Also speed is equalized, and Ning can just make forcefields of fire and shiz, can summon it on top of Ban as well, and all of this is via a simple thought. Also, has ban ever used this Zero Sign ability in combat?

Speed would be equalized at the beginning of the fight with each seconds He would get slower and weaker He would pass through the forcefields with his hunterfest He used Zero signs to kill melasculla in front of all of the commandments

Oh yeah, if Ban has anything that requires touch, then you might as well disregard them because he's never touching Ning unless the fight extends for so long.

Why wouldn’t He touch Ning ?

 

[Arkenis]

Why wouldn’t He touch Ning ?

ning can simply not be touched by ban. read the page. precog and danmaku would keep him from getting touched

 

[azontr]

ning can simply not be touched by ban. read the page. precog and danmaku would keep him from getting touched

That and he's horrifically more skilled to the point its extremely unfunny.

 

[XDragnoir]

e red demons Also destroy souls once they absorb them

Sure but the characters that resisted their soul hax resisted the absorption or the destruction? If they resist the absorption there is no proof they'd resist the destruction, so my point still stands.

 

[Makai641001]

ning can simply not be touched by ban. read the page. precog and danmaku would keep him from getting touched

Wouldn’t work if He can’t move anymore

Sure but the characters that resisted their soul hax resisted the absorption or the destruction? If they resist the absorption there is no proof they'd resist the destruction, so my point still stands.

The manip in general destruction for resonnance destruction for purgatory too
Destruction for the purge and enhanced purge

 

[Makai641001]

Also Speedster notified me about a crossverse rule

We don’t scale one shots outside of verse it’s a rule now. Ban scale very high above 75 gigatons almost to high 6c and he has limited power absorption in cbl as he used SD god thunder against her.

 

[XDragnoir]

The manip in general destruction for resonnance destruction for purgatory too
Destruction for the purge and enhanced purge

Wait, Resonance is soul destruction too? Cause your first post didn't say that so i am kinda confused now.

 

[Makai641001]

Wait, Resonance is soul destruction too? Cause your first post didn't say that so i am kinda confused now.

Through resonnance his objective was to enter and destroy Her Soul Which He couldn’t do due to the blessings she received

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Also Speedster notified me about a crossverse rule

Tbh i wouldn't trust speedster that much

 

[XDragnoir]

Also Speedster notified me about a crossverse rule

Ban does not scale to 75 GTs in his profile.

 

[Arkenis]

Yeah I read on the one shot page

• This gap is strictly for versus debating purposes, and will not apply when attempting to derive the attack potency of a character based on a feat of one-shotting another character in his or her verse.

Rule is pretty dumb considering this is how upscaling is done almost in every verse.

 

[XDragnoir]

He absorbs the stats of his opps Ji would be lowered Ban would be amped
Ban could already reduce the stats of people stronger than him to 0 in seconds

Ehhhh, i good part of Ning's power comes from his understanding of the world's concepts so i doubt ban would drain anything from him.

Speed would be equalized at the beginning of the fight with each seconds He would get slower and weaker He would pass through the forcefields with his hunterfest He used Zero signs to kill melasculla in front of all of the commandments

Ning has a Danger Sense too and don't forget the 10x speed amp he has in this key.

 

[XDragnoir]

Yeah I read on the one shot page

• This gap is strictly for versus debating purposes, and will not apply when attempting to derive the attack potency of a character based on a feat of one-shotting another character in his or her verse.

Rule is pretty dumb considering this is how upscaling is done almost in every verse.

Meh, afaik that's about the 7,5x gap, which was being revised btw.

Honestly, i dislike the "1,5x tier jump" a lot more than this one.

 

[Arkenis]

I think a simple 3x difference is more reasonable honestly. 7.5 just seems like it's bound to make characters jump a tier depending on the tier

 

[Arkenis]

Anyway, both the characters upscale from their verse's calc, Ning can get stronger, has his danmaku that is essentially rain blades all at 6-C so i doubt Ban scaling a little higher is gonna matter.

 

[Makai641001]

Ehhhh, i good part of Ning's power comes from his understanding of the world's concepts so i doubt ban would drain anything from him.

Any energy He would use would be absorbed + Ban can enchant his weapon with the properties of Ji Nings abilities

Ning has a Danger Sense too and don't forget the 10x speed amp he has in this key.

Ban has the sixth sense and would use ning’s amp to Amp himself He would drain his powers energy physical abilities speed etc…

 

[YoutubeForKing]

@YoutubeForKing So does Ban have regen in this match or nah? It's what I'm basing my vote on.

He does.

 

[Arkenis]

Yeah ok then my VOTE STAYS AS BAN

 

[Makai641001]

Anyway, both the characters upscale from their verse's calc, Ning can get stronger, has his danmaku that is essentially rain blades all at 6-C so i doubt Ban scaling a little higher is gonna matter.

He won’t be able to sense Ban Ban can Also paralyse him using his steal ability or even use it to attract Ning

The Danmaku wouldn’t touch him since his speed would be amped Massively by ning’s own He can Also use his dura Negation From hundreds of KM

He should still have his regen too

 

[YoutubeForKing]

Here I tried to find most of the panels (they were in profiles for most of them)
I Also explained the layers earlier if you have question

Do you have the scan for malescula amping her soul hax? Cause while mel was resisting it dead ass looked like she didn't even finish her attack.
Soul extraction and Soul possesion are two different things. If merlin has resistance to soul extraction that wouldn't give her the exact same layer of resistance to soul possesion.

 

[YoutubeForKing]

Ban can survive attacks from 200 gigaton characters

 

[Makai641001]

Do you have the scan for malescula amping her soul hax? Cause while mel was resisting it dead ass looked like she didn't even finish her attack.
Soul extraction and Soul possesion are two different things. If merlin has resistance to soul extraction that wouldn't give her the exact same layer of resistance to soul possesion.

The scan is the one where we see her using a specialised spell

 

[YoutubeForKing]

The scan is the one where we see her using a specialised spell

What? Im talking about where the dude tries to posses her. Her resisting his Soul possession wouldn't give her another Layer for Soul Extraction resistance

 

[Makai641001]

Ban can survive attacks from 200 gigaton characters

200 gigatons is High 6-C which you restricted
He is restricted to 6-C

 

[Makai641001]

What? Im talking about where the dude tries to posses her. Her resisting his Soul possession wouldn't give her another Layer for Soul Extraction resistance

It’s considered as soul Manip and soul destruction in general not particularly soul removal we were discussing the layers of soul Manip and soul destruction at first

 

[YoutubeForKing]

200 gigatons is High 6-C which you restricted
He is restricted to 6-C

Ban doesn't have High 6-C, speedster told me to tell you that he can take hits from guys with 200 gigaton AP.

 

[YoutubeForKing]

It’s considered as soul Manip and soul destruction in general not particularly soul removal we were discussing the layers of soul Manip and soul destruction at first

So you think her resisting the soul possesion means she gets resistance to soul destruction?
Why

 

[Makai641001]

So you think her resisting the soul possesion means she gets resistance to soul destruction?
Why

Resonance IS soul destruction the goal is to destroy her soul through resonance

Ban doesn't have High 6-C, speedster told me to tell you that he can take hits from guys with 200 gigaton AP.

Okay

 

[YoutubeForKing]

Resonance IS soul destruction the goal is to destroy her soul through resonance

But he first posses you then destroys your soul.
She resisted his possession not him destroying your soul.
It's clear the possession itself doesn't immediately destroy you otherwise he'd be surprised that her soul was still in there, it seems to me that he was going destroy her soul and most likely expected her to be immobile/paralyzed in the possession since he was mainly surprised by her moving.