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Alright, thanks Dragonmasterxyz! I think it would be good to it because honestly I was confused on this Time Killer point.
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Ban Midou vs Yuuki Terumi
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Ban resists all the Archiver's hax who is 2-A and it is his resistance. Type 1 Abstract Existence on a Type 2 concept can be affected by Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2)CrimsonStarFallen said:
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Tl;dr it existence erases you from every point in time without causing a paradox. Name fits very aptly
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This is Causality Manipulation which Ban Midou resists.JohnConquest1 said:
- The user could also instantly erase anything from existence, by making its existence the cause of it's own nonexistence. Another possibility is the instant rewriting of a whole reality, by making Reality X (the current reality) the cause of Reality Y (a tailor-made one).
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No existence Erasure is Existence Erasure
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I think you should have seen the description of Causality Manipulation included Existence Erasure. Ban Midou resists both Existence Erasure and Void Manipulation anyway.Schnee One said:
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Which does not apply for every form of existence Erasure, only certain types, which Time Killer isn't
Also pointing out again Bans Precog resistance isn't enough to thwart off Terumi's and Ban doesn't resist his level of mindhax
Also pointing out again Bans Precog resistance isn't enough to thwart off Terumi's and Ban doesn't resist his level of mindhax
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Why not just make the Hakumen and Ban match instead of arguing it here?
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@Nedge the main question is how good his precog resistance is. Cause Terumi's precognition is basically him being aware of virtually every possibility in existence. And he's used that so much throughout the course of Continuum shift to like I said, outsmart a nigh omniscient being. Not to mention Terumi has a reactive evolution that works on 4-D powers considering it works on the Power of Order. Which is essentially 4-D in nature thanks to its feats.
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Theglassman12, His Precognition resistance is good enough that The Archiver, who should have Omniscience, unable to predict his future nor the future his changed. His Resistance to Causality Manipulation is good enough that it could qualify for Acausality (Type 4) since despite The Archiver, the god of the verse, changing the rule of reality, it bore no effect on Ban Midou.
On his profile:
On his profile:
- (He, Ginji and Akabane go against the history written by The Archiver, who stated that if someone were to go against his history they would be put back onto it. It was also stated that The Archiver is unable to predict their future nor the future they changed. Furthermore Ginji and Ban were unaffected by the encroachment of the beltline and the changes and rules The Archiver was imposing on reality),
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Hmm, I see. Does he have any counter to 4-D reactive evolution or him eventually using Phenomena Intervention when he had his fun? Cause Susanoo has many type 8 immortalities on top of having High godly Regenerationn.
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He can stop it with muh logic. Same for the type 8's and High Godly. Logic at high level goes like "My logic is stronger so who cares if you have immortality and non-corporeality based on The Archiver imma just use a normal sword to cut you appart and you won't survive cus i say so".Theglassman12 said:
Also Akabane may be a better match for this Yuuki guy (even though Ban > Akabane, im too lazy to keep arguing why Jagan would work). Someone can make the match or swap fighters.
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Terumi exists outside of Logic. He's not gonna be affected by that.
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Blatant NLF. What's the level of logic he was outside of, and i would like some scan for that.Theglassman12 said:
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If you bothered to look at his profile, as well as the blog I had regarding the Blazblue lore, you'd know what I'm referring to.
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Well i was checking the profile and....these guys shouldn't even be 2-A. Infinite possibilities for a universe doesn't make the world 2-A. There isn't a universe for every possibility, there are just infinite possible choices the people in 1 universe can make. Why is that 2-A at all?
Also his existence outside of logic would still be Low 2-C. He exists outside of the "universal logic of the world", even if we assume infinite possibilities makes 2-A, he still exists outside of a low 2-C logic for the single universe. Ban still logics him easily.
Also his existence outside of logic would still be Low 2-C. He exists outside of the "universal logic of the world", even if we assume infinite possibilities makes 2-A, he still exists outside of a low 2-C logic for the single universe. Ban still logics him easily.
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Because possibilities = timeline. They exist, XBlaze and Bloodedge Experience are happened, Central Fiction, that's the evidence. Makoto fell in the possibility like a real thing, it's interacted with boundary like a real thing.
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@Fire the sheer fact that you LITERALLY just explained the valid evidence that justifies 2-A shows you're not even trying to debate at this point.
Except for the fact that he's unaffected by all of possibilities and realities being messed up by the Embryo, which took in all possibilities and realities. So again, can you enlighten me on how he can logic something that doesn't exist in Logic, as well as how that also works against Regenerationn from being erased from all realities?
Except for the fact that he's unaffected by all of possibilities and realities being messed up by the Embryo, which took in all possibilities and realities. So again, can you enlighten me on how he can logic something that doesn't exist in Logic, as well as how that also works against Regenerationn from being erased from all realities?
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More like why is the Archiver still 2-A? Looking back on this thread, he was supposed to be downgraded to 2-B as agreed by multiple staff and by regular users.Firephoenixearl said:
Guess I'll just have to make another thread for it...
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He doesn't exist in the logic of the universe. What makes the "i don't exist in logic" on a 2-A level for Yuki?
@Rot The ones that were supposed to downgrade The Archiver to 5-B, are on hiatus and we'r waiting for raw scans. But ok feel free to make another thread. It'll make them go to "2-B, possibly 2-A". But sure do make the thread.
@Rot The ones that were supposed to downgrade The Archiver to 5-B, are on hiatus and we'r waiting for raw scans. But ok feel free to make another thread. It'll make them go to "2-B, possibly 2-A". But sure do make the thread.
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Terumi resists all the Reality Warpings and time screws from all of those timelines from multiple 2-A beings, Amaterasu and Takamagahara, who knows how many times from the course of BlazBlue's lore. Plus he can adapt to these warpings and even be able to counter them at some points and no paradoxes happen within those timelines at all.
It's stated within BlazBlue that he exists outside of logic.
It's stated within BlazBlue that he exists outside of logic.
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That's 2-A resistance to getting reality warped, still doesn't prove he exists beyond 2-A logic. He can exist beyond universal logic just fine.Zeldasmash said:
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It may be 2-A resistance. Since two of its components, Light and Darkness, existed before the multiverse, and actually the convergence of it created the world itself plus Azure and all that (Here is the scan of the creation). Logic also exist across possibilities because people outside logic exist across possibilities like Valkenhayn Hellsing (without R).
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All the timelines that are in BlazBlue were created by Amaterasu and can warp them to how she sees fit. Terumi resists that. Plus he is the God Takehaya Susano'o and has known Amaterasu for who knows how long (long enough to call her "sister" at one point).
The only ways for you to be able to straight up not be affected by Amaterasu's logic is if you exist outside it (which Terumi does due to being a God's physical manifestation of his will plus he is a soul with no physical body of his own until he goes back to the Susano'o Unit) or are death itself (Izanami). Maybe if you are an Observer (which Terumi is) but it's not fullproof (I think the only one that can potentially full blown resist it like it's nothing is Amane. He exists in logic, Terumi doesn't).
The only ways for you to be able to straight up not be affected by Amaterasu's logic is if you exist outside it (which Terumi does due to being a God's physical manifestation of his will plus he is a soul with no physical body of his own until he goes back to the Susano'o Unit) or are death itself (Izanami). Maybe if you are an Observer (which Terumi is) but it's not fullproof (I think the only one that can potentially full blown resist it like it's nothing is Amane. He exists in logic, Terumi doesn't).
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The light and darkness part don't play a role in the logic of the world iirc. I mean logic isn't directly related to concepts, i am not too sure on that.
Yes, but each possibility has logic. You can still exist outside of logic if you exist outside of the logic of your possibility (universe).
Yes, but each possibility has logic. You can still exist outside of logic if you exist outside of the logic of your possibility (universe).
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They are part of the Logic tho. They are two great origins that are fundamentals of the world and it's rules.
Light and Darkness collided within Azure and there's only one Gate of the Azure in the multiverse. So, I don't think so.
Light and Darkness collided within Azure and there's only one Gate of the Azure in the multiverse. So, I don't think so.
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I don't think that's the same as having 2-A logic imposed by a greater (2-A being). Cus then we'd be getting into the "Range=/= Potency" kind of argument.
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Don't treat a natural law like Hax because it's not. They have different rules. Yes, some Hax that has 2-A range doesn't mean it has 2-A potency. But if there is a force like concepts and rules that compasses something like multiverse or higher-dimension, then it's automatically at that level since they operate at that level.
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Meh put this on hold until the revisions are done.
If Archiver goes to 2-B Yuki stomps via higher potency.
If Archiver goes to 2-B Yuki stomps via higher potency.
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Though Akabane Kuroudo should be a better fight here.
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His potency is still too high even if the Archiver was 2A
As proven by Spirit Animal Glass and his fantastic reasons
As proven by Spirit Animal Glass and his fantastic reasons
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No, xD. We take archiver as baseline cus he's a bit wonky in his tier. If archiver was 2-A he'd be a mix of K^Infinity and Infinity Factorial (both of which are bigger than Infinity^2). So that's why i say put this on hold, and do Akabane instead, he has hax, Yuuki doesn't resist.Schnee One said:
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Also by logic of "Infinite but still > than baseline 2-A" Ban also scales higher, since his logic is greater than the logic of people who can manipulate a 2-A logic.
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Terumi......exists.....outside.....of logic. What part of that do you not understand? Maybe try another argument that could hold any weight rather than just rely on Logic.
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He exists outside of his 2-A logic, a higher 2-A logic will stomp that. Might as well say "1-A can't logic him cus he exists outside of it", a higher level of logic will work on him.Theglassman12 said:
But that stronger than other 2-A's doesn't just mean his logic, it holds true for like half of his arsenal (info manip, law manip etc).
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No it won't cause it's on the same dimensional level. Besides, where does it ever say that Ban has 2-A hax?
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He manipulates The Archiver so...Theglassman12 said:
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existing outside of logic looks like Acausality Type 4, to be honest.Terumi already has that and I am pretty that Ban would qualify for it.
Type 4: Irregular Causality: Characters with this type of Acausality operate on a different and irregular system of cause and effect than regular causality. This grants them resistance to abilities such as Causality Manipulation, Fate Manipulation, and Precognition, among others.
Type 4: Irregular Causality: Characters with this type of Acausality operate on a different and irregular system of cause and effect than regular causality. This grants them resistance to abilities such as Causality Manipulation, Fate Manipulation, and Precognition, among others.
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@Fire and susanoo can combat Amaterasu, who's higher than the embryo and Takamagahara in terms of their potency. So again, get a better argument.
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@Eli Exists outside of logic isn't Type 4.
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